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what can help ADD and low dopamine symptoms?

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Created September 13, 2012 at 4:02 PM

I am dealing with pretty debilitating ADD symptoms. I am basically illiterate because I cannot focus long enough to read things I need to read, and holding conversations is difficult too. Unless I am intensely interested in a topic, I tune out constantly. I am also very introverted, which is theorized to be related to low dopamine, and I am very depressed and anxious. I have been pursuing VLC Paleo for about a month but I eat dairy fat products (butter, cream), nightshades, and eggs. I cut out other dairy about a week ago. To my knowledge I have no food sensitivities.

However, I have a very long history of disordered and binge eating. I am wondering if binge episodes mess with my dopamine levels. I still binge on Paleo. Should I make an extra-strong effort to stop bingeing episodes at all costs? Most of the pleasure in my life is from eating, which is sad. Do I need to resensitize my dopamine receptors?

Would supplementing with L-Tyrosine help? I am taking magnesium glycinate, milk thistle for liver, betaine HCL, and sometimes L-carnitine. I am pursuing a ketogenic diet as well as meditation and mindfulness.

help? I think I am going to fail school because it takes me 3 hours to read a homework assignment, and I don't remember what I read anyway.

edited to add: I haven't slept through the night yet this year, and I have early morning wakenings every day. I cannot sleep past 7AM

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0 · December 13, 2012 at 8:06 PM

I have started eating carbs again as potatoes, sweet potatoes, plantains, and low sugar fruits and I am enjoying it

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0 · December 13, 2012 at 8:05 PM

I wish I could say fat helps me but I have eaten a moderate amount to a ton (ketogenic for a month even) and it hasn't helped me. But I make sure to get enough in my diet. I love to eat egg yolks, butter, and canned cod liver

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0 · December 13, 2012 at 8:04 PM

yeah, I wouldn't argue that I am depressed. I was on 5/10/20mg Lexapro for six years and prior to that tried other SSRIs and atypical antidepressants with little luck. I tapered off the SSRIs in 2011 and it's been hell ever since. But I also becamse anorexic then (maybe related), so I don't know what caused all these problems. However, I am not willing to go back on SSRIs so I am trying mindfulness right now, and it is helping.

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0 · December 13, 2012 at 8:00 PM

I am thinking I might have some sort of bowel toxicity going on from all the binge eating and the stress on my digestive system so I am trying to eat less and fast more to see if that gives my system a break. I think I was eating more fat than my body could handle, so I've introduced carbs and safer fruits. I avoid grains but am now strictly gluten-free as my 23andme tests indicated a predisposition to gluten allergy. That is about all I can report. How are you doing Sara?

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0 · December 13, 2012 at 7:57 PM

my sleep is still not restorative, but I can sometimes sleep through the night and I no longer have early morning wakenings. I haven't had a period in a year but my libido recently returned as I have gained almost ten pounds after dropping 25 a year ago. So many variables...it's hard to know what is working and what isn't. My brain fog is still severe, and that is my worst problem. Thyroid hormones haven't worked nor est/progest. I bought a blood glucose monitor and I am not hypoglycemic. continued...

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0 · December 13, 2012 at 7:55 PM

hi Sara. I actually did get 23andme testing and found out I am homozygous for the C677T polymorphism. I have started taking methylfolate, but my plasma folates and B12 are normal/high from blood tests. I have stopped most of my supplements and am taking desiccated thyroid and biotin currently. I haven't consistently done an elimination diet but I still intend to. It is really hard for me to give up cheese and yogurt. My bingeing behavior is just starting to get under control as I have been practicing mindfulness and mindful eating. continued...

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0 · December 11, 2012 at 1:12 PM

nursling, how are things going: update? Also, have you looked into your methylation status, either by doing 23andMe genetic testing, or by supplementing with folate & methyl-b12, or taking SAMe, and testing for changes?

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0 · December 11, 2012 at 11:42 AM

Oh and when I write depression, I don't mean "down a little bit", but full-blown Clinical Depression.

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0 · September 21, 2012 at 8:21 PM

You may want to post this as your own topic/question

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0 · September 21, 2012 at 4:43 PM

Oh. And I forgot to say...I gave UP trying to be low-carb/ketogenic. I eat rice and potatoes now and I love them. I don't restrict myself.

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0 · September 14, 2012 at 1:15 AM

That's awesome that you were able to discover your triggers and found a way to work around them. Kudos!

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0 · September 13, 2012 at 11:51 PM

Word to the wise: Todd from that site doesn't, I don't think, mention taking it slow. Or if he does it was more like start warmer and move colder. I had no problem with straight up super cold but if doing that day-in, day-out it actually leads to something that is like over-training. Everyday isn't needed, or desirable.

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0 · September 13, 2012 at 11:48 PM

I'd second the autoimmune paleo is rough enough without limiting. Start with Autoimmune and eat anything that fits in that deal including roots, tubers etc... Reintroduce, figure out your problem foods and then if you still aren't where you want to be play with the macros

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0 · September 13, 2012 at 10:47 PM

thank you. i am going to start IF. gettingstronger.org is what i found today and looks like an awesome resource. i will look into cold baths

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0 · September 13, 2012 at 7:13 PM

I'm currently doing neurofeedback and although I don't have ADD I can see how it would help some people with this condition.

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0 · September 13, 2012 at 5:46 PM

thank you! I have heard about it not working for some people, and I will be careful

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0 · September 13, 2012 at 5:46 PM

Robert, thanks for your input. I started restricting protein this week when I found out it converts to glucose. So I am doing about 45g/day and less than 30g carbs. I also eat raw yolks lately. I am reconsidering the dairy. Did you receive my email?

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0 · September 13, 2012 at 5:19 PM

sorry don't know anything about casein opiate, but paleo doesn't allow dairy, I can see why, milk is "filtered cow blood" according to dr. Cordain, and its full of hormones and proteins that aren't good for us, and if we have leaky gut (which is highly likely if you came from an unnatural way of eating) then these could have a worse effect cause the proteins/hormones can pass through the intestinal wall.

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0 · September 13, 2012 at 5:19 PM

Just a word of caution - some people do well on ketogenic diets and some need more carbs. You have to listen to your body. Don't follow any advice if your body does not like it. Nobody really knows what will work for you, only you can tell whether you feel better or not. Good luck!

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0 · September 13, 2012 at 5:16 PM

this is curious "Cholesterol supplementation reverses many symptoms of autism in SLOS disorder." google that. It is said that ADD/ADHD is on the autistic spectrum, I am not saying you have SLOS, but something to think about. I add eggs/liver (about 3-4 eggs a day, sometimes i just toss the whites) to my diet for the cholesterol, getting my blood tested, so far cholesterol, glucose,bp, pulse rate all excellent (I even got asked if I am athlete, cause my blood work is so awesome and i am far from that lol) oh an important! make sure its grass fed meat and pastured organic chicken/ eggs

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0 · September 13, 2012 at 5:13 PM

I have done a bit of research on this as my 5 year old son was recently diagnosed with ASD, he was born 8 weeks early, i am going to try green pastures fermented cod liver oil and the butter oil together, as it is suppose to be 100 times more effective if taken with the butter oil, might be worth a try, fingers crossed, good luck!

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0 · September 13, 2012 at 5:09 PM

if you have trouble going into ketosis, I recommend doing some protein restriction 0.8g per kilogram of body weight (excess protein can be converted into glucose) if you work out you can +10g of protein. I'm 158lb (down from 215) I do 60g protein, less than 50g carb, and 100+ g of fat, mostly coconut oil, grassfed butter/tallow, I don't do gluten/nuts/nightshades (personal choice) and about to rid myself of dairy (butter/heavy cream). Most argue you need carbs, it's really an anaerobic fuel, we can produce glucose (gluconeogenesis). Ketones are said to be prefer brain fuel.

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0 · September 13, 2012 at 5:04 PM

I haven't taken the one with the butter oil, only the fermented cod liver oil

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0 · September 13, 2012 at 5:04 PM

you are sweet as well, thank you for your encouraging actions. I am sad to give up cream but I think I will eat up the nightshades and dairy in the next couple days and then do a meat-and-veg-and-MCT-oil ketogenic diet with fasting to ramp up change. sigh! I never perceived myself as someone with food sensitivities but I have treated my body very poorly this year and maybe my body isn't the same as it used to be

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0 · September 13, 2012 at 4:53 PM

One month is not enough. I would really consider being more strict with your diet - no dairy for now. Go 100% autoimmune Paleo. :)))

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0 · September 13, 2012 at 4:52 PM

You are so sweet and optimistic! Autoimmune Paleo sucks - no ice cream :( If you feel better, would you mind coming back and sharing what worked for you? It would be interesting for me to know. Thanks!:)))

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0 · September 13, 2012 at 4:50 PM

I have been eating liver regularly for a few months and I eat sauerkraut and drink water kefir, kombucha, tonics, soured cream etc. But I have only been eating Paleoish for a month

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0 · September 13, 2012 at 4:48 PM

Okay, I will tighten up my diet. I don't eat anything sweet at all, but I will cut out all nuts too. Autoimmune paleo 4 me, yay

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0 · September 13, 2012 at 4:44 PM

Soy sauce has wheat - GLUTEN. If you are sensitive to gluten, chances are you are sensitive to soy. You cannot have soy sauce on Paleo, even Tamari is not good for you for now. Just stick with vegetables, meat, fish, good fat. I would even skip nuts and fruit for now if I were you. Try different things.

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0 · September 13, 2012 at 4:43 PM

How long have you been Paleo? I would give Terry Wahls (9 cups of green, sulfur-rich, colored, liver, fermented at least one week). I would also not OVERDO probiotics, but use fermented foods more often. You have to eat liver once per week (big meal) or every day (a little bit). Just try everything for a week and see if there are any changes.

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0 · September 13, 2012 at 4:41 PM

regarding MSG, does this include things like soy sauce and nutritional yeast?

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0 · September 13, 2012 at 4:41 PM

okay, I will be more careful about my microexposures. I am also wondering if casein's opiate effect might make things worse

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0 · September 13, 2012 at 4:39 PM

Totally agree!!! I did not mention gluten because I assumed you knew that ADD is totally gluten related. NO GLUTEN!!!

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0 · September 13, 2012 at 4:33 PM

thank you for you for your response. I have not been super strict with gluten e.g. licking someting off a cracker. how long did it take you to get into ketosis? I am having trouble making it happen

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0 · September 13, 2012 at 4:24 PM

luckily I am intensely interested in paleo and fixing this problem, which makes posting about it somewhat easier. However, trying to focus on reading most things is very difficult I am finishing off a bottle of Green Pastures without any noticeable changes I am doing a modified GAPS with bone broth and gelatin every day I will check out the specifics of Terry Wahls, thank you. I have been using probiotics of various kinds, supplemental and whole food, without any noticeable difference. maybe I am not giving it enough time? I guess I am looking for a night-and-day reaction

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20 · September 13, 2012 at 4:55 PM

I'm ADHD and Asperger's, and have realized that my trigger is a huge caffeine problem. This past week I've started to cut back my caffeine to one or two drinks a day, and have noticed a HUGE difference in my ability to get started and stay focused on tasks. I've realized that 2 or 3 drinks within a couple hours puts me into scrambled brain state.

A few other things that have helped me:

  • drinking lots of water. I now keep water bottles around at all times
  • working out in the morning. I do pushups every other day, following the 100 Pushup Plan
  • using internet blocker software, to block websites I use as quick dopamine fixes
  • deep breathing exercises

Hope this helps!

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0 · September 14, 2012 at 1:15 AM

That's awesome that you were able to discover your triggers and found a way to work around them. Kudos!

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10 · December 11, 2012 at 11:03 AM

I grew up with ADD, inattentive type. I'm also a celiac, but didn't know until I was in my 20s. All kinds of awful, but I'm now a decent teacher and a responsible and happy husband and father. I sorted myself by going cyclic ketogenic paleo, getting some Chinese herbal medicine and acupuncture support to start, learning to meditate (and doing it daily) and doing vigorous exercise (short, power-based stuff, HIT/HIIT), lots of walking daily and sleeping as much as I can. If any of those pieces come loose, the ADD effects come back. I'd never manage to monitor it on my own, so having my wife and friends/coworkers helping with the monitoring is essential.
I think the key starter was healing my gut. GAPS does seem to do wonders that way, but it's probably a good idea to find some kind of functional medicine, Chinese medicine or naturopath doctor to help out. At least for starters.
Getting the dopamine hits from the exercise and supporting them with sleep and lots of the nutritionally dense bits of animals seems to be pretty essential, because otherwise you go looking for them from coffee, which will destroy your stomach, energy drinks, which will destroy your adrenals, or other things not so good for you. Post WO, when I'm not keto, is big paleo carb fun. Only keto for a couple of weeks every 4 months or so. Benefits seem to peter out otherwise. I can now finish books, not get lost in conversations, manage a classroom (difficult for anyone, as any teacher will admit) and pay bills on time etc. I'm no Richard Branson, but I think I've got the ADD sorted. I do, however, blame gluten for it. Just too many connections and coincidences for it to be cleared of all blame. Vile stuff. Even if it does make tasty pastry.

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7592 · September 21, 2012 at 4:39 PM

Geneen Roth's work helped me a lot with stress eating which I think is the REAL question you are asking maybe...please forgive me if its not--how to stop your binge eating so you feel in control and control ADHD and mood swings/nervous energy.

I read one book and listened to some podcasts. I liked it and I definitely have improved my stress/binge eating.

Keep searching and trying. Good luck.

Her Books

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0 · December 13, 2012 at 8:06 PM

I have started eating carbs again as potatoes, sweet potatoes, plantains, and low sugar fruits and I am enjoying it

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0 · September 21, 2012 at 4:43 PM

Oh. And I forgot to say...I gave UP trying to be low-carb/ketogenic. I eat rice and potatoes now and I love them. I don't restrict myself.

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288 · September 13, 2012 at 5:15 PM

Dual-n-Back or other brain training activities(Harry Kahne Multiple Mentality, Cognitivefun, Mnemonics)

Meditation

Biofeedback(e.g. emWave2)

HEG and Brainwave Neurofeedback

Experimental--Cold Thermogenesis(pour ice water on your head--especially the frontal lobe area)

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0 · September 13, 2012 at 7:13 PM

I'm currently doing neurofeedback and although I don't have ADD I can see how it would help some people with this condition.

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805 · September 13, 2012 at 4:30 PM

I am on a ketogenic diets with grass fed meats and eggs and my focus improved. I have ADHD/Auditory Processing Disorder I also got rid of all gluten (even hidden sources, cream, shampoo, even handing pet food and breathing in the dust, condiments, etc...). They found that people with gluten sensitivity can exhibit symptoms similar to ADD/ADHD. Not necessarily celiac, they even argue that everyone is gluten sensitive, and that there are just varying degrees of sensitivity, even though you are not celiac.

Take in more Omega-3. Other stuff might be worthy looking into, vinpocetine , Acetyl-L-Carnitine

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0 · September 13, 2012 at 5:46 PM

Robert, thanks for your input. I started restricting protein this week when I found out it converts to glucose. So I am doing about 45g/day and less than 30g carbs. I also eat raw yolks lately. I am reconsidering the dairy. Did you receive my email?

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0 · September 13, 2012 at 5:19 PM

sorry don't know anything about casein opiate, but paleo doesn't allow dairy, I can see why, milk is "filtered cow blood" according to dr. Cordain, and its full of hormones and proteins that aren't good for us, and if we have leaky gut (which is highly likely if you came from an unnatural way of eating) then these could have a worse effect cause the proteins/hormones can pass through the intestinal wall.

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0 · September 13, 2012 at 5:16 PM

this is curious "Cholesterol supplementation reverses many symptoms of autism in SLOS disorder." google that. It is said that ADD/ADHD is on the autistic spectrum, I am not saying you have SLOS, but something to think about. I add eggs/liver (about 3-4 eggs a day, sometimes i just toss the whites) to my diet for the cholesterol, getting my blood tested, so far cholesterol, glucose,bp, pulse rate all excellent (I even got asked if I am athlete, cause my blood work is so awesome and i am far from that lol) oh an important! make sure its grass fed meat and pastured organic chicken/ eggs

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0 · September 13, 2012 at 5:09 PM

if you have trouble going into ketosis, I recommend doing some protein restriction 0.8g per kilogram of body weight (excess protein can be converted into glucose) if you work out you can +10g of protein. I'm 158lb (down from 215) I do 60g protein, less than 50g carb, and 100+ g of fat, mostly coconut oil, grassfed butter/tallow, I don't do gluten/nuts/nightshades (personal choice) and about to rid myself of dairy (butter/heavy cream). Most argue you need carbs, it's really an anaerobic fuel, we can produce glucose (gluconeogenesis). Ketones are said to be prefer brain fuel.

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0 · September 13, 2012 at 4:41 PM

okay, I will be more careful about my microexposures. I am also wondering if casein's opiate effect might make things worse

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0 · September 13, 2012 at 4:39 PM

Totally agree!!! I did not mention gluten because I assumed you knew that ADD is totally gluten related. NO GLUTEN!!!

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0 · September 13, 2012 at 4:33 PM

thank you for you for your response. I have not been super strict with gluten e.g. licking someting off a cracker. how long did it take you to get into ketosis? I am having trouble making it happen

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15390 · September 13, 2012 at 4:19 PM

You cannot be basically illiterate because what you wrote makes perfect sense and your paragraphs are coherent.

Actually, there are multiple factors that contributed to ADD in my former students. Some of them were 1. diet 2. exposure to TV vs reading in their early years 3. birth trauma/premature birth 4. infections/antibiotics use.

I am sure others will recommend something for you, let me just ask you this: have you tried GAPS? Because I would start with very very strict GAPS.

If that would not help, I would go for Terry Wahls diet (in terms of meeting your nutritional deficiencies).

If that would not help, I would supplement with Green Pastures fermented cod liver oil and butter oil. I would try just about anything to see if it can be helped.

If you know a very good naturopath that might help too.

I would also find some very goood (alive) yet not very strong probiotic.

Good luck! I wish I had the answer for you.


EDITED - I had not idea you are not strict with gluten. YOU CANNOT HAVE GLUTEN IN ANY SHAPE OR FORM, PERIOD. Also stay away from additives/preservatives, MSG, all of it.

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0 · September 13, 2012 at 11:48 PM

I'd second the autoimmune paleo is rough enough without limiting. Start with Autoimmune and eat anything that fits in that deal including roots, tubers etc... Reintroduce, figure out your problem foods and then if you still aren't where you want to be play with the macros

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0 · September 13, 2012 at 5:46 PM

thank you! I have heard about it not working for some people, and I will be careful

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790
0 · September 13, 2012 at 5:19 PM

Just a word of caution - some people do well on ketogenic diets and some need more carbs. You have to listen to your body. Don't follow any advice if your body does not like it. Nobody really knows what will work for you, only you can tell whether you feel better or not. Good luck!

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0 · September 13, 2012 at 5:04 PM

you are sweet as well, thank you for your encouraging actions. I am sad to give up cream but I think I will eat up the nightshades and dairy in the next couple days and then do a meat-and-veg-and-MCT-oil ketogenic diet with fasting to ramp up change. sigh! I never perceived myself as someone with food sensitivities but I have treated my body very poorly this year and maybe my body isn't the same as it used to be

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0 · September 13, 2012 at 4:53 PM

One month is not enough. I would really consider being more strict with your diet - no dairy for now. Go 100% autoimmune Paleo. :)))

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0 · September 13, 2012 at 4:52 PM

You are so sweet and optimistic! Autoimmune Paleo sucks - no ice cream :( If you feel better, would you mind coming back and sharing what worked for you? It would be interesting for me to know. Thanks!:)))

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0 · September 13, 2012 at 4:50 PM

I have been eating liver regularly for a few months and I eat sauerkraut and drink water kefir, kombucha, tonics, soured cream etc. But I have only been eating Paleoish for a month

76211ec5301087de2588cfe3d6bccba9
0 · September 13, 2012 at 4:48 PM

Okay, I will tighten up my diet. I don't eat anything sweet at all, but I will cut out all nuts too. Autoimmune paleo 4 me, yay

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0 · September 13, 2012 at 4:44 PM

Soy sauce has wheat - GLUTEN. If you are sensitive to gluten, chances are you are sensitive to soy. You cannot have soy sauce on Paleo, even Tamari is not good for you for now. Just stick with vegetables, meat, fish, good fat. I would even skip nuts and fruit for now if I were you. Try different things.

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0 · September 13, 2012 at 4:43 PM

How long have you been Paleo? I would give Terry Wahls (9 cups of green, sulfur-rich, colored, liver, fermented at least one week). I would also not OVERDO probiotics, but use fermented foods more often. You have to eat liver once per week (big meal) or every day (a little bit). Just try everything for a week and see if there are any changes.

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0 · September 13, 2012 at 4:41 PM

regarding MSG, does this include things like soy sauce and nutritional yeast?

76211ec5301087de2588cfe3d6bccba9
0 · September 13, 2012 at 4:24 PM

luckily I am intensely interested in paleo and fixing this problem, which makes posting about it somewhat easier. However, trying to focus on reading most things is very difficult I am finishing off a bottle of Green Pastures without any noticeable changes I am doing a modified GAPS with bone broth and gelatin every day I will check out the specifics of Terry Wahls, thank you. I have been using probiotics of various kinds, supplemental and whole food, without any noticeable difference. maybe I am not giving it enough time? I guess I am looking for a night-and-day reaction

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896 · December 11, 2012 at 1:05 PM

The big change for me came when I began eating 'good' fats, and lots of them. Specifically cod liver oil, eggs, grassfed butter and coconut oil. My foggy brain tornado slows down to a light breeze when I load up on fats. When I dont have enough fat, I feel myself becoming erratic and fidgety. Bullet proof coffee allows me to focus and think analytically, especially at work. Something I could never do in school unfortunately.

Fats have also changed my pallet and I have noticed I crave vegetables more than ever, specifically red or orange veggies. I'm thinking it has some to do with vitimin A.

I believe it is a chain effect.....Eating better led to better brain and gut health, which led to a happier person.

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0 · December 13, 2012 at 8:05 PM

I wish I could say fat helps me but I have eaten a moderate amount to a ton (ketogenic for a month even) and it hasn't helped me. But I make sure to get enough in my diet. I love to eat egg yolks, butter, and canned cod liver

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320 · December 11, 2012 at 11:41 AM

Your description sounds more like depression than ADD.

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0 · December 13, 2012 at 8:04 PM

yeah, I wouldn't argue that I am depressed. I was on 5/10/20mg Lexapro for six years and prior to that tried other SSRIs and atypical antidepressants with little luck. I tapered off the SSRIs in 2011 and it's been hell ever since. But I also becamse anorexic then (maybe related), so I don't know what caused all these problems. However, I am not willing to go back on SSRIs so I am trying mindfulness right now, and it is helping.

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0 · December 11, 2012 at 11:42 AM

Oh and when I write depression, I don't mean "down a little bit", but full-blown Clinical Depression.

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383 · September 21, 2012 at 1:11 PM

Might be worth trying ginkgo giloba, i heard it is amazing for concentration and focus, good luck!!

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14877 · September 14, 2012 at 12:59 AM

Tyrosine is a precursor to dopamine, and there is a negative feedback loop, so I do not recommend trying high doses of it (I think up to 5-7g is the maximum, but I may be mistaken and will dig through some old emails for you to double check. Personally, I took just 2g per day, which is the equivalent to 4 capsules).

Macuna Puriens contain a minimum of 15% l-dopa, and is safe at very high dosages. I recommend starting with around 4g per day and you will notice some effect for sure. If you need to go higher, know that you can and that it is safe.

I wish Crowlover still used her account, b/c she knows a lot about this and could really be helpful to you. I can dig through some emails at a later point to see if I can find about more info on the max dosage of tyrosine. I would just be conservative with it, and a little more liberal with the macuna puriens. Assess you tolerance and go from there. Do some research online to, I'm sure there are forums specifically related to the issue.

Personally, I have experience with both. I used to take pre-workotu supplements that contained tyrosine and l-dopa before big mid-terms/exams, but then I got a prescription for Provigil, which was helpful. Now I don't take provigil, and just do the aforementioned supplements in pure form when I need them (also sometimes before workouts). Macuna Puriens can also be helpful if you have any addiction(s) you are trying to stop. Cocaine is one example and I am not sure but I can only guess that eating disorders are another.

Both supplements are cheap and can be found online or at Whole Foods or supplement stores. Best of luck.

Oh, and as far as the diet goes, try to eat high protein (between 0.7-1.5g/lb of lean body mass) and include moderate amounts of healthy fats and as much salad as you wish. Carbs should be controlled. They don't have to be zero, especially if you're an athlete, but I would keep them low and congruent with your activity level. As a percentage of calories, I personally keep protein the highest, and then manipulate fat and carbs depending. Protein has tyrosine, l-carnitine, choline, and if it is seafood EPA/DHA. Each of these nutrients are vital to proper brain development, function, and maintenance, so keep that in mind.

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78417 · September 13, 2012 at 10:33 PM

I've been struggling with this too and I really should get back into walking meditation but instead I've been walking with the Robb Wolf podcast episode after episode. Hyper-focus can get a bit wacky.

What has been helping is Intermittent fasting and cold baths. Gettingstronger.org has soom goo information to start and then just googling hyprotherapy and IF.

Anything that sensitizes your dopamine system should be worthwhile.

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0 · September 13, 2012 at 11:51 PM

Word to the wise: Todd from that site doesn't, I don't think, mention taking it slow. Or if he does it was more like start warmer and move colder. I had no problem with straight up super cold but if doing that day-in, day-out it actually leads to something that is like over-training. Everyday isn't needed, or desirable.

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thank you. i am going to start IF. gettingstronger.org is what i found today and looks like an awesome resource. i will look into cold baths

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383 · September 13, 2012 at 5:09 PM

Just wondering when does the brain stop developing?? I was told by a psychologist that its 21 and that's why the legal age for alcohol in the US is 21?? If this is true, is it then too late to change ADHD/ADD/ASD if over the age of 21?? Is it possible to reverse ADD/ADHD/ASD (autistic spectrum disorer) in a 5 year old child that was born premature? Thanxs

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You may want to post this as your own topic/question

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383 · September 13, 2012 at 4:58 PM

Hi i see u are taking the Green Pastures cod liver oil, just wondering are u taking this with the butter oil? reason i ask is it is suppose to have a much more powerful effect on the brain if taken together. Hope this helps.

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I have done a bit of research on this as my 5 year old son was recently diagnosed with ASD, he was born 8 weeks early, i am going to try green pastures fermented cod liver oil and the butter oil together, as it is suppose to be 100 times more effective if taken with the butter oil, might be worth a try, fingers crossed, good luck!

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0 · September 13, 2012 at 5:04 PM

I haven't taken the one with the butter oil, only the fermented cod liver oil

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