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Racing Thoughts/Anxiety

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Created June 19, 2014 at 2:31 PM

Hi, I'm new to this forum. I'm almost fully paleo (eat white rice on occasion), and while I've had some physical benefits (more energy, etc.), I still have an issue of racing thoughts/anxiety that I can't seem to beat.

I'm wondering if this is the result of a mineral/hormonal deficiency, as I don't have any logical reason to experience this. The only thing I can think of is the fact that my B12 was very low when I had a checkup last summer (in the 200s). I asked the doctor whether we should investigate this further, since I presented many of the physiological symptoms of B12 deficiency, but he waved it off because it was in the reference range.

The only physical symptoms I present are horizontal and vertical lines on my fingertips, as well as "holding" tightness in various muscle groups, but this could be the result of the anxiety I guess.

Anyone have any thoughts? Experience beating these symptoms? I know a lot of people on here have thorough knowledge of nutrition and health so I look forward to the responses. Thank you for taking the time to read this.

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4393 · June 26, 2014 at 5:17 AM

cheers for the quick reply. i will look up Julia Ross

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5828 · June 26, 2014 at 4:57 AM

I follow Julia Ross' advice which is to titrate up to no more than 150 mg twice per day. And, she says that after a few months people should not need it anymore. So, I'm personally not concerned about several months of taking 5-HTP.

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4393 · June 26, 2014 at 4:44 AM

hi @Sol , do you have any concerns/warnings over the use/safety of 5-htp...? i keep looking at using 5-htp as possibly helping with my sleep maintenance (i have no issues with falling asleep), but then i get put off after doing some 'google research'. i did try l-tryptophan before bed (as 'people' were saying that is safer than 5-htp), but it seemed to have no effect on my sleep.

...so if you have any feedback/insights etc on 5-htp... thx

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10994 · June 25, 2014 at 7:49 PM

AlmostFullyPaleo, you will not fix your issue(s) until you implement a moderate physical activity program where you burn a minimum of 400+ calories per day. I recommend you buy an indoor exercise bike with variable intensities; I find this a superior means to stimulate muscles and stay physically active in any season, weather or environment. There should be efficient alternatives to the exercise bike. I haven't found one yet that meets my demands. I recommend the bike.

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8 · June 23, 2014 at 4:31 PM

Lucky you. Yeah the only park close to me is basically the radius of one city block so you can't really feel like you're out in nature. I'd love to get out and live in a more rural area at least to see if I'd enjoy it as much as I imagine, but I have no options at the moment

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83 · June 23, 2014 at 9:45 AM

Definitely try and make the time to get out in nature, even a park in the city would be better than nothing. Every day i'm off work I get out into the countryside for a good 3+ hours, and on my lunch break everyday I go to a local wood for a half hour walk, without it I think i'd start to go a bit mad!

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8 · June 22, 2014 at 9:52 PM

Wow thanks for the detailed reply. I will certainly look into this issue deeper.

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5828 · June 22, 2014 at 9:32 PM

Nora Gedgaudas is a Paleo nutritionist. I think she's reputable: http://www.primalbody-primalmind.com/do-you-have-p... Trudy Scott is another nutritionist. She just put on the Anxiety Summit and has treated pyroluria. Dr. Bill Walsh is a leading expert in genetic conditions. He believes pyroluria is real. I may have pyroluria but I'm chelating heavy metals first to see if that will treat it but you can experiment with B6 and Zinc for a few weeks and see if you notice a difference. But, best to read up since you don't want to overdose on either of these.

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8 · June 22, 2014 at 8:50 PM

I'm not trying to be argumentative at all, and I am open to the possibility of pyroluria being a real condition. I'm just skeptical about everything, as I believe is necessary when processing new information. Do you have any info on the condition from a reputable source? Any doctors who have healed patients with pyroluria?

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5828 · June 22, 2014 at 8:39 PM

I won't argue with you. I wish you well.

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8 · June 22, 2014 at 8:38 PM

I've actually read of pyroluria before. I'm not sure whether the science backs it: http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/pyroluria-and-...

When I do a google search for the condition, it is mostly discussed in forums rather than journals. I'm certainly interested, and open to any new information, but I try to stay away from the typical "naturopath" cures that aren't based in science.

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8 · June 22, 2014 at 7:26 PM

Typical day meal plan

Morning: 2-3 eggs cooked in coconut oil, eaten with large serving of beans, followed by tablespoon of olive oil, avocado, serving of veggies and serving of fruit

Afternoon: serving of dairy (kefir, yogurt from grass-fed cows, etc.), serving of vegetables

Evening/Night: large serving of rice/potatoes, 1/2 pound of pastured meat or 2 cans of wild-caught sardines, another avocado, tablespoon of olive oil

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8 · June 22, 2014 at 7:22 PM

I don't know how many cups cooked. The beans is a rough estimate it's a large serving. The rice is always 3/4 cup to 1 cup uncooked (450-600 calories). Potatoes it's an estimate again because the number of potatoes is irrelevant since they come in all different sizes.

It doesn't seem like a ton of food to me considering those are my only carb sources really. I'm very lean and could actually stand to gain some weight. I maintain at around 2.5k calories and need more if I have a very active day

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26182 · June 22, 2014 at 5:46 PM

please expand. 75g carbs from beans is about 2 cups. 500 calories of white rice is about 3 cups; of potato its about 3-4 potatoes. That's a ton of food....

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26182 · June 22, 2014 at 5:44 PM

you say you are almost fully paleo, then say you eat 75g of carbs from beans each morning -- that's like 2 cups of beans. Not what most would call Paleo (although I am not anti-bean). Could you explain a typical day's meal plan?

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8 · June 22, 2014 at 5:06 PM

Appreciate the comment, I sure wish I could get out and exercise in a forest but I live in a major city haha. I'll think about adding meditation to my day, I'm going to try yoga for the first time in my life so hopefully that serves as a meditative activity.

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8 · June 22, 2014 at 5:05 PM

I'd say it's probably more like 4 hours "active" and maybe another one or two standing preparing food or something. But again, I don't really have a standard schedule at all. Some days I'm far more active than others and if I'm feeling worse I'll tend to lie about much more. But the link that "moors" posted was really interesting and makes me want to get out and be more active to take my mind off the racing thoughts.

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8 · June 22, 2014 at 5:03 PM

The link is very interesting and I have realised that it's worse when I'm sitting by myself not doing anything. Thanks for this, it's something to think about and use to better my quality of life.

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175 · June 22, 2014 at 2:21 PM

Take a crack at magnesium supplementation. It definitely helps with mood, not sure about anxiety. Best way, I think, is transdermal epsom salts - no need to bathe, just dissolve 1:1 in water (I use a soap dispenser) and slap it on your torso.

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10994 · June 21, 2014 at 12:02 AM

So assuming you sleep 8 hours per day, it sounds like you're saying that you're active 8 hours per day. Is that 8 hours of walking and push ups per day on average?

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8 · June 20, 2014 at 11:02 PM

Appreciate the comment man and I agree the diet and lifestyle is what keeps it from becoming a major health issue

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8 · June 20, 2014 at 11:00 PM

I'd say on an average day I'd be sedentary for 8 or so hours with them all broken up. So if I'm sedentary for an hour or so I'll go on a short walk or do push-up sets or something.

If I included a full restistance training workout that day, I would probably be burning 400-500 calories with all the daily chores (cooking, cleaning, etc.) combined with the short walks and workout.

One thing I've realised is lots of my racing thoughts/anxiety seem to stem from my muscular tightness, so I need to determine whether this is caused from a postural problem, vitamin defieciency or stress itself.

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10994 · June 20, 2014 at 3:47 AM

Could you be more specific and either provide hours sedentary / active or calories burned per day or steps taken per day or some other definitive stat? What you consider generally physically active and what I consider generally physically active might not be the same and my recommendation would be dependent on the specifics of your answer.

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8 · June 19, 2014 at 9:21 PM

I'm a student on summer break. Generally physically active. As long as I eat enough calories during the day I try to go to the gym. However, during this period I've taken off to deal with my issues, I've been slacking off a little. If I don't get very much sleep or can't bring myself to eat enough (still will eat a decent amount just not a surplus), then I don't go. I'm lean as well.

During the schoolyear I was very active and even on days I didn't formally work out I'd walk long distances for errands and to and from class.

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8 · June 19, 2014 at 9:20 PM

I'm a student on summer break. Generally physically active. As long as I eat enough calories during the day I try to go to the gym. However, during this period I've taken off to deal with my issues, I've been slacking off a little. If I don't get very much sleep or can't bring myself to eat enough (still will eat a decent amount just not a surplus), then I don't go. I'm lean as well.

During the schoolyear I was very active and even on days I didn't formally work out I'd walk long distances for errands and to and from class.

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10994 · June 19, 2014 at 8:14 PM

I understand and I'm sorry for jumping to the low carb assumption after reading the 'occasional white rice' part of your query. Sometimes if I'm sedentary for too long I myself will get anxious, if you don't mind me asking, what does your physical activity / inactivity level look like on a daily basis? For example, do you have a desk job and hit the gym 3 times a week?

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8 · June 19, 2014 at 7:57 PM

I usually get a decent amount of carbs. Large serving of beans in the morning (upwards of 75g of carbs as a rough estimate). Large serving of rice/potatoes in the evening (400-500 calories worth). Also have 1-2 servings of fruit and 2 of vegetables daily. I'm certainly not trying to be low-carb.

As for the mental health disorder, I haven't. My goal would be to find a practitioner who could balance the psychology side (who could determine mental health disorders, etc.) with the physical side (who could test for vitamin/hormonal imbalances), so I can fully work with them to heal. Hard to find.

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60 · June 25, 2014 at 6:18 AM

Research has suggested that there is a relation between vitamin B including vitamin B1 or thiamin and mood. Deficiency in Vitamin B like B12 or folic acid can trigger depression. Start consuming food like chicken, beef, pork, citrus fruits, oranges, and eggs etc., to control anxiety, which are rich in Vitamin B or can opt for Vitamin B supplementation.

You have also mentioned that you experience muscle tightens. This is also one of the symptoms of anxiety.

1. Protein from good source like cheese, fish, Greek Yogurt, meats is very useful in such case.

2. Fatty fish like tuna, Salmon, sardines, herring helps in enhancing and uplifting your mood

3. Avoid caffeinated drinks and coffee.

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5828 · June 22, 2014 at 8:08 PM

Look into pyroluria. The anxiety, fingertip lines and muscle tightness are all symptoms. You might find relief with 5-HTP or other amino acids or with Lithium Orotate in low doses. Some believe pyroluria is caused by heavy metal poisoning. Yet another avenue to explore.

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5828 · June 22, 2014 at 8:39 PM

I won't argue with you. I wish you well.

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8 · June 22, 2014 at 8:38 PM

I've actually read of pyroluria before. I'm not sure whether the science backs it: http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/pyroluria-and-...

When I do a google search for the condition, it is mostly discussed in forums rather than journals. I'm certainly interested, and open to any new information, but I try to stay away from the typical "naturopath" cures that aren't based in science.

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4393 · June 26, 2014 at 4:44 AM

hi @Sol , do you have any concerns/warnings over the use/safety of 5-htp...? i keep looking at using 5-htp as possibly helping with my sleep maintenance (i have no issues with falling asleep), but then i get put off after doing some 'google research'. i did try l-tryptophan before bed (as 'people' were saying that is safer than 5-htp), but it seemed to have no effect on my sleep.

...so if you have any feedback/insights etc on 5-htp... thx

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5 · June 22, 2014 at 4:24 PM

Our ancestors never had as many things to think about as we have and I think it's too big of an important problem to miss, here's an article in the same direction:

http://robbwolf.com/2014/04/02/racing-thoughts-des...

I think you may try aromatherapy(our ancestors also had much more of a habitat to smell) or cognitive behavioural psychotherapy.

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8 · June 22, 2014 at 5:03 PM

The link is very interesting and I have realised that it's worse when I'm sitting by myself not doing anything. Thanks for this, it's something to think about and use to better my quality of life.

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83 · June 21, 2014 at 10:12 AM

I assume you already eat paleo and exercise, the only other thing i'd recommend is meditation, nothing relaxes me more than taking time to just be. I'm sure paleo man was quite active and ate only natural foods, but i'm sure he also highly valued finding time to slow down, chill out & relax, which has great benefits, just look at how good deep sleep is for you. I'd say get out in a forest, exercise, breathe deeply, become aware of things as they are in their raw state, not as you think they are.

To me racing thoughts and anxiety indicates an emotional/spiritual crisis, not necessarily a physical one, although eating the wrong foods can potentially cause those symptoms.

A good trick is to bring your attention to the thought/feeling/sense 'I Am', the sense of being, it's the firstmost thought/feeling/sense we have, and if you get to the bottom of that you get to the bottom of everything.

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8 · June 22, 2014 at 5:06 PM

Appreciate the comment, I sure wish I could get out and exercise in a forest but I live in a major city haha. I'll think about adding meditation to my day, I'm going to try yoga for the first time in my life so hopefully that serves as a meditative activity.

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0 · June 20, 2014 at 9:39 PM

I eat ultra clean, have good sleep hygiene, and exercise on the reg and I have the same thing. The diet and lifestlye help ALOT but it's not a hundred percent cure. There could be alot of little things contributing to your anxiety. My suggestion would be to really analyze the behavoir or foods you eat, track them and continue tweking. And maybe your like me and just have anxiety no matter what but it's okay I still get alot out of life. Hope things get better! :)

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8 · June 20, 2014 at 11:02 PM

Appreciate the comment man and I agree the diet and lifestyle is what keeps it from becoming a major health issue

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10994 · June 19, 2014 at 7:08 PM

It could be a hormone deficiency. It's possible you aren't eating enough carbs for proper thyroid function, I'm not a doctor though, so I can't say that definitively. You could also have a mental health disorder, have you ruled that out?

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8 · June 19, 2014 at 7:57 PM

I usually get a decent amount of carbs. Large serving of beans in the morning (upwards of 75g of carbs as a rough estimate). Large serving of rice/potatoes in the evening (400-500 calories worth). Also have 1-2 servings of fruit and 2 of vegetables daily. I'm certainly not trying to be low-carb.

As for the mental health disorder, I haven't. My goal would be to find a practitioner who could balance the psychology side (who could determine mental health disorders, etc.) with the physical side (who could test for vitamin/hormonal imbalances), so I can fully work with them to heal. Hard to find.

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