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Does eating potatoes make you cry?

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Created October 18, 2011 at 11:04 PM

It was all the comments on Jaminet's blog. Does eating VLC result in a mucus deficiency? He says he has many reports of people who have gotten rid of dry eyes when they added carbs back in. Has this happened to you? I know more people who have had an improvement in dry eyes and other symptoms associated with autoimmune conditions.

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3703 · October 23, 2011 at 12:32 PM

If you think about our hominid evolution, humans became predators for the majority of the last 2 millions years... we needed good vision, reflexes, gut instincts and acute senses. Our hormones were peaked and membranes fluid. Everything in the SAD kills the predator traits. n-6 and transfats harden... n-3 deficiency slows the the brain and affects vision (DHA deficiency in baby formula literally caused vision deficits in newborns)... lack of saturated animal fats compromise immunity for fighting pathogens, parasites and other predators microscopic or big.... *ha*

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70 · October 20, 2011 at 4:10 PM

Yes. I ate a vegetarian/junk food diet prior to ZC so it was very high in n-6. I did supplement with CLO, but only when I remembered which wasn't very often (maybe 2 or 3 times a week max). I did lose some weight at the time so you may very well be right on the inflammation issue.

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3703 · October 20, 2011 at 2:27 AM

Aravind might vibrate you. is that how he gets his kicks on? (that's high reward!)

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3703 · October 20, 2011 at 2:26 AM

*haaaaa!* YOU CRACK ME THE F*CK UP (more than the real White Castle-- and hotter)!!!!

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24523 · October 20, 2011 at 1:53 AM

Lame-tard? I think that's a double negative, so it actually means something good. I forgot that you're in Shanghai, so cool! And yes, I need to get back in the cave before Aravind starts to text me threatening messages.

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3703 · October 20, 2011 at 1:44 AM

I'm a lame-tard. just got my proxy server in Shanghai! bloggin might resume soon but after I unpack 20 packs that were delivered TODAY!!

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3703 · October 20, 2011 at 1:43 AM

Arent you and your bromance (i'm jealous) supposed to return to your low-reward cave? well. Keep entertaining us!!! Miss ya guys.

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24523 · October 20, 2011 at 1:34 AM

That's interesting and all, but when are you going to start blogging again? :)

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3703 · October 20, 2011 at 1:30 AM

Did you have a high diet of canola oil or processed foods previously (n-6 pufa's seed/corn oils)? When you were ZC, did you supp fish oil or CLO (cod liver oil)? thanks!

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8979 · October 19, 2011 at 1:12 AM

I share in your experiences, the opposite of what others are reporting on Jaminet's blog. Inflammation everywhere and for every reason is down on LC.

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8979 · October 19, 2011 at 1:11 AM

Eyes can also get very dry if you are busy getting your vitamin D all summer. I know from experience that once the eyes are irritated, it sometimes takes awhile for things to settle down.

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1307 · October 19, 2011 at 1:11 AM

They make me cry when I see my blood glucose monitor afterwards!

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11152 · October 19, 2011 at 12:48 AM

It also might explain my recent dry eyes over the past few weeks. Since our fridge at home crapped we've been sub-optimal food and I don't think I break 50g of carbs some days.

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11152 · October 19, 2011 at 12:46 AM

They make me cry all right--With joy! Lol mmmmmm, seasoned homefries topped with fried eggs and bacon :)

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56616 · October 18, 2011 at 11:28 PM

doesn't surprise me. I mean, there is documented variation in people converting carotene to retinol, ALA to DHA, etc.

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70 · October 18, 2011 at 11:24 PM

I agree. I think in my case I might have a harder time converting protein to glucose than others.

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3703 · October 20, 2011 at 1:27 AM

Dry eyes in this day and age are often a sign of omega-6 (inflammation) excess and omega-3 deficiency. My husband once had it, took fish oil per the opthamologist recommendation and it went away.

http://www.ajcn.org/content/82/4/887.long

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/707984

VLC successfully mandates adequate adrenal function. I think ancestrally many HG had fantastic adrenals but with the modern age and sick/ill mothers, this is no longer the case for my generation and my kids.

Perhaps for certain individuals (w/poopy adrenals), VLC brings on ketosis which drains cortisol, cholesterol, magnesium, zinc, and omega-3 reserves and affects membranes like eye membraines?

I know the PHD/blog does not appear to advise fish oil supplements but with a high quality supplement (mercury-free, dioxin-free, molecularly distilled), the benefits include preventing omega-3 deficiency and outweigh any perceived risks. Personally I think it is important to supplement n-3 when losing weight because in the process of VLC/LC, many of the adipose-stored toxins are liberated which can be inflammatory for some.

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24523 · October 20, 2011 at 1:53 AM

Lame-tard? I think that's a double negative, so it actually means something good. I forgot that you're in Shanghai, so cool! And yes, I need to get back in the cave before Aravind starts to text me threatening messages.

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3703 · October 20, 2011 at 2:26 AM

*haaaaa!* YOU CRACK ME THE F*CK UP (more than the real White Castle-- and hotter)!!!!

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3703 · October 20, 2011 at 2:27 AM

Aravind might vibrate you. is that how he gets his kicks on? (that's high reward!)

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24523 · October 20, 2011 at 1:34 AM

That's interesting and all, but when are you going to start blogging again? :)

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3703 · October 20, 2011 at 1:44 AM

I'm a lame-tard. just got my proxy server in Shanghai! bloggin might resume soon but after I unpack 20 packs that were delivered TODAY!!

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3703 · October 20, 2011 at 1:43 AM

Arent you and your bromance (i'm jealous) supposed to return to your low-reward cave? well. Keep entertaining us!!! Miss ya guys.

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56616 · October 18, 2011 at 11:10 PM

Maybe in some people, but the Inuit, Siberian, and Athabaskan people certainly were fine for a long time without any starch besides some seasonal tiny itty bitty roots. But perhaps they are genetically adapted to that diet and their diet was also more varied than most VLC diets, including lots of fermented vegetables/fish/meat, fat, organs, and seafood. I've never had dry eyes on VLC.

I disagree with the PHD diet that you need starch, though I also don't think it's always harmful.

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56616 · October 18, 2011 at 11:28 PM

doesn't surprise me. I mean, there is documented variation in people converting carotene to retinol, ALA to DHA, etc.

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70 · October 18, 2011 at 11:24 PM

I agree. I think in my case I might have a harder time converting protein to glucose than others.

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70 · October 18, 2011 at 11:18 PM

Short answer yes.

I ate zero carb for about 6 months to a year and probably 2 or 3 times a week I would wake up to blinding pain in my eyes. Flushing my eyes with water seemed to be the only way to relieve it. I assumed that I was scratching my eyes in my sleep. My eyes would also be red most days.

I went from zero carb to around 50 or so carbs a day and both issues quickly disappeared. Also this all took place before I had ever heard about the PHD.

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3703 · October 20, 2011 at 1:30 AM

Did you have a high diet of canola oil or processed foods previously (n-6 pufa's seed/corn oils)? When you were ZC, did you supp fish oil or CLO (cod liver oil)? thanks!

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70 · October 20, 2011 at 4:10 PM

Yes. I ate a vegetarian/junk food diet prior to ZC so it was very high in n-6. I did supplement with CLO, but only when I remembered which wasn't very often (maybe 2 or 3 times a week max). I did lose some weight at the time so you may very well be right on the inflammation issue.

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3703 · October 23, 2011 at 12:32 PM

If you think about our hominid evolution, humans became predators for the majority of the last 2 millions years... we needed good vision, reflexes, gut instincts and acute senses. Our hormones were peaked and membranes fluid. Everything in the SAD kills the predator traits. n-6 and transfats harden... n-3 deficiency slows the the brain and affects vision (DHA deficiency in baby formula literally caused vision deficits in newborns)... lack of saturated animal fats compromise immunity for fighting pathogens, parasites and other predators microscopic or big.... *ha*

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2936 · October 19, 2011 at 12:34 AM

I have hay fever, an immunity-related malady, does that count? And it's the sneezin' season now, and I'm suffering a little, like I used to. Maybe I'm a little drier, I had a bad day, couple days ago. Ummm, that's all I can report, for what it's worth.

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Yeah, come to think of it, that bad day was preceded by lotta carbs. I binged on a chocolate pudding concoction I made from the last of my coconut cream, just wanted to get rid of it the old fashioned pre-paleo way.

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8979 · October 19, 2011 at 1:12 AM

I share in your experiences, the opposite of what others are reporting on Jaminet's blog. Inflammation everywhere and for every reason is down on LC.

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70 · October 18, 2011 at 11:49 PM

Fascinating. My eyes have become very dry since I went VLC in May (clean Keto), but didn't even make a connection between the eyes and diet as there are possible other factors that may be affecting this as well (a propensity for slightly dry eyes + eye injury + cornea issues). The timing given the diet is certainly spot-on.

However, I have gone back up (slightly) in carbs to 50-100g for the last couple of months, but the eyes are still very very dry. I'll have to play with this some more. Thanks for the heads up, and I'll be interested to hear others' experiences.

H (just restocked my selection of preservative-free drops).

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8979 · October 19, 2011 at 1:11 AM

Eyes can also get very dry if you are busy getting your vitamin D all summer. I know from experience that once the eyes are irritated, it sometimes takes awhile for things to settle down.

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