33b6c516904a967ef8ecb30f1dbd8cf2
2

Going barefoot, some advice please......

by (7063)
Updated about 13 hours ago
Created March 10, 2010 at 10:34 PM

I go barefoot as much as possible in the summer months on grass, but I want to extend this to include other surfaces and possibly other seasons.

Does anyone have any honest advice on Vibram's five-finger shoes or similar barefoot simulation footwear? (I will not be running on concrete with them (I read Gillebean's post). I have heard of many people raving about them and read the official blog, but has anyone had any NEGATIVE experiences with them?

Could I tackle a mountain path (rocky) in them for instance?

Does it take long for your feet/body to adjust to having no sole and are there adjustment 'pains' involved?

Are they really worth it or would it actually be more economical to sew my own moccasins out of fine leather? Or should I just stick to my crocs??

Last question: What do people do in the colder months, has anyone come across an all weather boot (snow/rain/mud) or is it back to the sewing machine to make a fur lined moccasin, inuit-style?

870fdea50f2a9f1cd2890c8e22549300
2056 · May 16, 2012 at 11:00 PM

My feet are half a size different and I can wear VFFs with no problem whatsoever.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094
78422 · May 21, 2011 at 3:17 PM

What about cutting sleeves off of a sweater that is old or from the thrift store and using them as gaiters/legwarmers? I would do that before I would knit or crochet them, just to see if I like the way it looks/feels. If they don't stay up just sew or thread elastic or ribbon around the top that you can tie to tighten.

E169162d1c8196f6de1dd95c79b41d12
40 · March 13, 2010 at 4:00 AM

Chuck Taylor All Stars. Average retail just over $40...

33b6c516904a967ef8ecb30f1dbd8cf2
7063 · March 12, 2010 at 8:14 PM

Oh thanks for the link!!!

33b6c516904a967ef8ecb30f1dbd8cf2
7063 · March 12, 2010 at 7:53 PM

Oh thanks for this link!!! I would make them longer, warmer and felted do you think they would work?

Ab153bf62e1f51eea3243acdd2f7bfb9
224 · March 12, 2010 at 7:16 PM

I saw a blog where someone combined their five fingers with some gaiters to keep out debris. Here's the link to the gaiters. http://www.dirtygirlgaiters.com/ I think a warm top would be nice. If it were felted it would keep out rain and debris as well. The KSO five fingers keep stuff out on their own but aren't very warm. I just tried the Flow five fingers but I just couldn't get my feet into them. They were definitely warmer, but too stiff for me to wear my size.

B4313b18cc03036a6147543d7b0872d6
566 · March 11, 2010 at 8:49 PM

For work, I still wear Birks because I'm a cubicle rat and do not walk much. I am planning to make a pair of close-toed shoes for work and other such occasions; that way I can accommodate my bunions. Vivo Barefoot did catch my eye, though.

587538a2db229b2ec884ea04cc3dc75e
462 · March 11, 2010 at 8:25 PM

Vivos are (I think) far too expensive for what they are. I jad a pair and didn't even think they were particularly well-made. Hopefully someday soon someone will make a $40 thin-soled shoe (in large sizes please).

587538a2db229b2ec884ea04cc3dc75e
462 · March 11, 2010 at 8:23 PM

Really don't let the possibility of toaster-sized rocks scare you off from wearing them. I did some very long hikes this summer that would have been "easier" in conventional shoes, and while it was a little galling getting passed by people with much heavier packs I still enjoy feeling whatever is underfoot and having the incredible grip and balance that VFFs afford.

587538a2db229b2ec884ea04cc3dc75e
462 · March 11, 2010 at 8:22 PM

Sprints! I could not get the KSOs to fit right. Sprints have an extra strap so you can adjust your foot's position within the shoe, if that makes any sense.

33b6c516904a967ef8ecb30f1dbd8cf2
7063 · March 11, 2010 at 8:13 PM

I have already marked Neil's comment as the accepted one with a tick, but I think your answer actually answers my question more specifically, so if I could change the tick or tick both of you I would, anyway I voted for it :) what you say is really interesting, but I am also hearing what Alex is saying about toaster-sized rocks, oh, I wish i could tick all of them.

A1ae6a36ca0f4210882603e1255ea42d
298 · March 11, 2010 at 7:02 PM

I have the KSOs for that purpose (refuse to wear them for general use, too ugly) and they serve their duty well -- I like them better than the sprints because they are a bit warmer for cold NE weather

33b6c516904a967ef8ecb30f1dbd8cf2
7063 · March 11, 2010 at 4:39 PM

I would love to see a photo

Da9e3c7c4d81dd2c3d84e8b1e0e5cb10
482 · March 11, 2010 at 2:27 PM

Laura, have you considered the Vivo Barefoot line? I've been thinking they would be something I'd use for work (not ready for VFFs there!). But maybe you're mostly thinking outdoor use?

33b6c516904a967ef8ecb30f1dbd8cf2
7063 · March 11, 2010 at 1:14 PM

Btw would there be any market for a kind of hand knitted gaiter/leg warmer to be worn over the top (but not around the sole) of a VFF? I am always on the look out for business opportunities ;)

33b6c516904a967ef8ecb30f1dbd8cf2
7063 · March 11, 2010 at 10:40 AM

great link, thanks!

33b6c516904a967ef8ecb30f1dbd8cf2
7063 · March 11, 2010 at 10:38 AM

that is so interesting, I have mild scoliosis too, thanks for this.

279afb16db6c765ae91dde056f10d1d3
155 · March 11, 2010 at 3:33 AM

I loved running barefoot as a kid! It was the only way I could win any races! I also had no trouble running up and down a oil and gravel road.

6426d61a13689f8f651164b10f121d64
11478 · March 11, 2010 at 1:22 AM

Here's a previous thread on Vibrams: http://paleohacks.com/questions/631/is-it-okay-to-use-minimalist-footwear-on-modern-surfaces

B4313b18cc03036a6147543d7b0872d6
566 · March 11, 2010 at 12:31 AM

I discovered another issue: placement of the pinky toe. Mine barely reaches the toe pocket, despite the fact that the big toe is maxed out. I'll be sending my KSOs back, unfortunately, and I'll be making some invisible sandals (http://www.invisibleshoe.com/). I'm bummed.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094
78422 · March 10, 2010 at 11:35 PM

I love #5- there will be news of a human-sized Sasquatch roaming the area!

Total Views
4.3K

Recent Activity
5bc3f769f0e4a37fb485626844d73263

Last Activity
72D AGO

Followers
0

Get Free Paleo Recipes Instantly

12 Answers

best answer

D7ed8ac6174f43ea0ffcb584ce3823aa
3
65 · March 11, 2010 at 4:42 AM

I wear Vivo Barefoot brand shoes every day, and I love them. (no affiliation to the company, I assure you.) I have two pairs, one casual for weekends and one dressier for work. I will not wear traditional healed or padded shoes any more. I have mild scoliosis and used to see a chiropractor regularly. Since I began wearing the Vivo Barefoot shoes, I have no longer needed to seek any back related medical services. I feel myself walking straighter and more comfortably. They have a way of retraining you to walk the way nature intended. They're not that expensive and I have been wearing mine for almost a year and they're still in good shape. They're a great option if you want the barefoot experience on a daily basis. I feel bad when I see people uncomfortably clomping around in overly padded shoes and throwing off the natural gait created by millions of years of evolution!

33b6c516904a967ef8ecb30f1dbd8cf2
7063 · March 11, 2010 at 10:38 AM

that is so interesting, I have mild scoliosis too, thanks for this.

587538a2db229b2ec884ea04cc3dc75e
462 · March 11, 2010 at 8:25 PM

Vivos are (I think) far too expensive for what they are. I jad a pair and didn't even think they were particularly well-made. Hopefully someday soon someone will make a $40 thin-soled shoe (in large sizes please).

E169162d1c8196f6de1dd95c79b41d12
40 · March 13, 2010 at 4:00 AM

Chuck Taylor All Stars. Average retail just over $40...

5bc3f769f0e4a37fb485626844d73263
3
30 · May 16, 2012 at 7:29 PM

I went "barefoot" a few months ago. You will find many of the common injuries you may have suffered in the past will go away, but you may emerge with different injuries to different places. For example, my knees no longer hurt when I run further than 5 miles, but in the initial few weeks running barefoot, my calf muscles were in agony, as barefoot running puts a lot of strain on your calves and ankles. Once you get over this and build a bit of strength in these places it is a good transition, and you will begin to understand what it is all about. Try starting out completely barefoot (on grass) to develop a natural style, and then from there on you can progress to a "barefoot" shoe like VFF's or Vivo's.

587538a2db229b2ec884ea04cc3dc75e
3
462 · March 11, 2010 at 1:24 AM

I run barefoot and in VFFs (I try to do every other run barefoot) and I hike exclusively in VFFs, both regular KSOs and Sprints. I would start with VFF Sprints because they are much, much easier to fit (because of the double straps). They are great for running or hiking on any surface with two and a half caveats:

  1. Hiking in them is a little masochistic. You will feel rocks more than you are used to. Give yourself some time to adjust and remember that VFFs will slow you down compared to what you are used to.

1a. Hikes that are composed entirely of loose toaster-sized rocks will probably never be fun.

  1. While VFFs are indeed similar to barefoot for running, they are not identical, and they can still mask bad form. I know this from experience. I would strongly encourage you, if you are going to run, to work in enough actual barefoot running that your form does not degrade.

Ce0b5fd94b1034e96cf710b6f138c29d
3
4089 · March 10, 2010 at 11:05 PM

I picked up a pair of VFF KSO Treks a few weeks ago, and have been trying them out in my environment (rural Ontario; fields, pastures, dirt roads, stone fencelines, lots of snow and meltwater). Back issues have prevented me from running in them enough to evaluate them, so I've just been walking a few kilometers a day in them.

My conclusions so far (in no particular order)?

1) They're neither warm nor waterproof, but I knew that :). 2) I like the sole thickness; I can still feel pebbles, but they aren't uncomfortable to step on. 3) No adjustment pains so far. 4) I'd certainly wear them on a day hike; I prefer something with ankle support for backpacking. 5) You can get used to putting them on pretty quickly; they stay on well under use, and mold very well to my feet. The footprints I leave in the snow are hilarious :). 6) Traction is excellent. 7) I do tend to modify my stride with them; in boots, I tend to step heel-first; in the VFFs, I find myself walking more on the full foot or mid-and-fore foot. 8) I like them. I'm certainly sold on the concept for walking, and can't wait until I can try running in them.

Oh, and as for winter barefooting options, there's the Terra Plana Kariba: http://www.terraplana.com/kariba-p-1037.html?colour=245

33b6c516904a967ef8ecb30f1dbd8cf2
7063 · March 11, 2010 at 4:39 PM

I would love to see a photo

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094
78422 · March 10, 2010 at 11:35 PM

I love #5- there will be news of a human-sized Sasquatch roaming the area!

A1ae6a36ca0f4210882603e1255ea42d
2
298 · March 11, 2010 at 3:42 PM

I wear Vibram KSOs in NYC and even during the winter they were fine -- you just need to be slightly more aware of where you are walking...I'd been exercising in flat sole shoes for a while when I made the transition so I guess the transition has been less extreme for me...that said, my calves still aren't fully adjusted to the increased work during runs, but I find they make sprinting much more fluid

Ee1646cb53decc30ba6f68a5d1fc1d5f
2
20 · March 11, 2010 at 3:31 PM

I wear Vibram FiveFingers on hikes and runs and love them!

To answer your questions..., you can definitely tackle a mountain path in them... you can feel the rocks and stones beneath your feet a little but it just requires being a little more aware of the ground around you so you can avoid any major rocks.

When i first started to wear mine i did have an adjustment period of a few weeks. The best advise i can give you is to just take your time with them when you start off, if you don't have experience of running and walking barefoot on more solid surfaces then it might feel strange and uncomfortable at first. But persevere with it and it will be worth it in the end!

Defo don't wear Crocs! Having a clumpy clog on your feet won't let you experience the full joys of being barefoot! Once you are completely used to your FiveFingers they allow you to move your feet and toes pretty much as you would when barefoot. They are also secure on your feet and will offer you more protection than a moccassin.

In the colder months i wear my FiveFingers with a pair of Injinji toe socks underneath! They keep my feet snug!

587538a2db229b2ec884ea04cc3dc75e
462 · March 11, 2010 at 8:23 PM

Really don't let the possibility of toaster-sized rocks scare you off from wearing them. I did some very long hikes this summer that would have been "easier" in conventional shoes, and while it was a little galling getting passed by people with much heavier packs I still enjoy feeling whatever is underfoot and having the incredible grip and balance that VFFs afford.

33b6c516904a967ef8ecb30f1dbd8cf2
7063 · March 11, 2010 at 8:13 PM

I have already marked Neil's comment as the accepted one with a tick, but I think your answer actually answers my question more specifically, so if I could change the tick or tick both of you I would, anyway I voted for it :) what you say is really interesting, but I am also hearing what Alex is saying about toaster-sized rocks, oh, I wish i could tick all of them.

193b7fb0fec8913d5ebb3b99a04d21c6
1
2913 · May 16, 2012 at 9:12 PM

This might sound simple and stupid, but I usually just have some very thin flip flops and a purse large enough to hold them for when I decide I want to be barefoot. I realize this doesn't really work if you're...not a girl.

<3, the girl who goes into 7-11 barefoot.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094
1
78422 · March 11, 2010 at 3:28 AM

Not really a good answer, but a memory. When I was a kid I was able to run barefoot down a gravel city alley in Vancouver with no problem. The more you run barefoot, the tougher you get.

I am much more of a tenderfoot now, and walk carefully on the cement and sand around my casa!

I won't try Vibrams, but I will walk barefoot at home as much as I can. I am not a runner even though as a kid I was.

279afb16db6c765ae91dde056f10d1d3
155 · March 11, 2010 at 3:33 AM

I loved running barefoot as a kid! It was the only way I could win any races! I also had no trouble running up and down a oil and gravel road.

03aeff8d87a3b53a449b5b8e9158da98
1
3268 · March 11, 2010 at 12:05 AM

My 2nd toe is (slightly) longer than my big toe, and I've had no problems with my Vibrams. Depending on the model, you might want to avoid wet/muddy ground, unless you don't mind some mud and water getting into the shoe. I had no adjustment problems, but a friend of mine had pretty sore calves after his first foray out with his pair.

6426d61a13689f8f651164b10f121d64
1
11478 · March 10, 2010 at 11:36 PM

Read the fitting instructions carefully if you order via internet. There are lots of disclaimers. VFF's are not recommended if one foot is larger than the other, if your 2nd toe is longer than your big toe, if you have flat or narrow feet, or if you're an over-pronator--whew! How many people does that leave who CAN wear VFF's?

33b6c516904a967ef8ecb30f1dbd8cf2
7063 · March 11, 2010 at 10:40 AM

great link, thanks!

B4313b18cc03036a6147543d7b0872d6
566 · March 11, 2010 at 12:31 AM

I discovered another issue: placement of the pinky toe. Mine barely reaches the toe pocket, despite the fact that the big toe is maxed out. I'll be sending my KSOs back, unfortunately, and I'll be making some invisible sandals (http://www.invisibleshoe.com/). I'm bummed.

Da9e3c7c4d81dd2c3d84e8b1e0e5cb10
482 · March 11, 2010 at 2:27 PM

Laura, have you considered the Vivo Barefoot line? I've been thinking they would be something I'd use for work (not ready for VFFs there!). But maybe you're mostly thinking outdoor use?

B4313b18cc03036a6147543d7b0872d6
566 · March 11, 2010 at 8:49 PM

For work, I still wear Birks because I'm a cubicle rat and do not walk much. I am planning to make a pair of close-toed shoes for work and other such occasions; that way I can accommodate my bunions. Vivo Barefoot did catch my eye, though.

870fdea50f2a9f1cd2890c8e22549300
2056 · May 16, 2012 at 11:00 PM

My feet are half a size different and I can wear VFFs with no problem whatsoever.

5cc9908801b79ff820bbc1eb7ac01b8f
0
553 · March 12, 2010 at 5:47 PM

I love my Vibrams; I wear the Sprint model all the time, both for workouts and socially. I have run a 5K in them without problems, but yeah, I had to stay off the concrete. It was okay anyways though, because running on grass is actually kind of fun and felt really nice on the feet (soft, springy, and cool). I've gone to Yosemite and hiked around in them over rock, stream, twig, and soil, and they held up perfectly.

There is an adjustment period of a week or so, but it is not painful, just a little sore, but the good kind of sore, where just rubbing them at the end of the day feels great. I would definitely not let it deter you, this period of soreness and adjustment, because that's just your feet working out the many small muscles in your feet that have been inactive for a long time. But then those muscles get stronger and the soreness lessens gradually until you realize you don't notice it anymore.

Whether they're worth it is a good question. Presumably, the hand-made moccasins aren't going to have individually articulating toes, so moccasins won't let you flex those muscles. But if the sole of the moccasin's is flexible enough, you would see some benefit in your arches and your gait. I'm not sure what the benefit of Crocs is. They supposedly mold to your feet, but to me, the material still seems stiff enough that it keeps your foot from molding itself to the ground. In other words, Crocs don't seem to let your foot flex freely the way barefoot or Vibrams would. Not that there's anything wrong with that, Crocs are a good shoe, but I don't think you'll accomplish the same objective as Vibrams (apples and oranges, seems like).

In the colder months (I live in Dallas), I don't wear my Vibrams except around the house. I probably could have if I wore my legwarmers with them, but my feet get really cold. Other people might not have this problem.

Hope this helps!

F38f19b6ec74b2c6bf49531fe5dae567
0
486 · March 11, 2010 at 5:08 PM

It seems like most people here have the KSO's. I'm purchasing a pair of VFF's in a few days and I'm still not sure which model to get. I'll be using them for lifting and running, so is there a particular model I should get?

A1ae6a36ca0f4210882603e1255ea42d
298 · March 11, 2010 at 7:02 PM

I have the KSOs for that purpose (refuse to wear them for general use, too ugly) and they serve their duty well -- I like them better than the sprints because they are a bit warmer for cold NE weather

587538a2db229b2ec884ea04cc3dc75e
462 · March 11, 2010 at 8:22 PM

Sprints! I could not get the KSOs to fit right. Sprints have an extra strap so you can adjust your foot's position within the shoe, if that makes any sense.

Answer Question

Login to Your PaleoHacks Account

Get Free Paleo Recipes