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bioidentical hormone replacement therapy

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Created April 15, 2012 at 5:20 PM

what do you guys think of this? do you believe it can be beneficial at all or even for short-term use with a good diet? do you think if you take hormones long enough your body stops producing its own hormones? or do you think your body would be able to kick-in and make hormones again like before?

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661 · April 17, 2012 at 5:20 PM

my fibro is so debilitating. (my hands have been numb now for like 2 years..slightly numb ALL THE TIME). if it did work for me it'd totally be worth it

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78422 · April 17, 2012 at 12:30 AM

I hear you on that. It has been expensive. For me it was worth it (kinda like grass fed meat) but that is something only you can decide.

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661 · April 16, 2012 at 9:05 PM

side note, i also have a connective tissue disorder. i think theyre doing studies giving people with marfan's hormones (not sure which) for pain management... (i dont have this i have ehlers danlos syndrome).

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661 · April 16, 2012 at 8:56 PM

the problem i have is these doctors are not covered by insurance and it's a LOT of money. ive purchased my own labs because i couldnt get a referral to an endo and then you have to beg them to order tests

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661 · April 16, 2012 at 8:54 PM

i did not know that about progesterone. i only tried it for a few days so that would make sense.

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661 · April 16, 2012 at 8:53 PM

yeah i havent had much luck because all of my labs are "in range". im saving up to go to an osteopath. i hate having to deal with health insurance. it gives me major anxiety

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32518 · April 16, 2012 at 2:01 AM

http://drerika.typepad.com/notepad/2006/10/letter_to_suzan.html

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32518 · April 16, 2012 at 1:42 AM

Also, my progressive, holistic doc (MD and Ayuvedic-trained) read the book and wrote a negative review on Amazon. "As a physician, I can tell you that Wiley's logic is poor, that her references to the scientific literature are often incorrect, and that she makes completely unfounded assumptions as to the safety of her method. Further, I have treated about ten women who tried the Wiley protocol through other physicians and found it, after a few months, to be worse than useless. This woman presents herself quite dangerously as a medical authority. Do not take this book seriously."

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32518 · April 16, 2012 at 1:18 AM

And I work with pregnant women, btw...

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32518 · April 16, 2012 at 12:56 AM

Looky here: http://wileywatch.org/ I have also looked into the protocol and would not touch it with a ten foot pole. Peri-menopausal & post-menopausal women taking massive amounts of progesterone (amounts that are only produced during pregnancy) makes absolutely NO sense to me.

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32518 · April 16, 2012 at 12:51 AM

Progesterone will initially "turn on" estrogen receptors and I felt pretty yucky for the first couple of weeks until my balance was restored. It sounds like you need to work with an endocrinologist, get your thyroid checked and see what else is going on.

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25467 · April 16, 2012 at 12:51 AM

holly young perimenopausal girls need 30 day saliva studies....we talked about this at Paleo fx on a mastermind. Not all docs do them but look for one that does. Dan Kalish has a link to many docs who do this on his site. He is out of the Bay area.

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661 · April 16, 2012 at 12:31 AM

oh andi basically have the worst fibro ever, im only 28

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661 · April 16, 2012 at 12:27 AM

its weird bc im young, tested low on both progesterone and estrogen. i tried taking progesterone otc and it made me VERY VERY cranky so i stopped. i take otc estrogen cream (it exists) bi-estro and my mood instantly improved. i have major bloating and chocolate cravings too. i basically feel like im going through menopause

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24271 · April 15, 2012 at 11:40 PM

Caroline you may want to add a comment under Dragonfly's answer so she will get notification that someone has left a comment for her. Otherwise she may never notice your question here given as an answer to the original question.

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100 · April 15, 2012 at 9:25 PM

Besides the (repetitive) Internet chatter and sensationalism can you elaborate on what you know to be bad about Wiley? Our very progressive, anti-aging dr, who is a huge supporter of all that is Paleo and Primal has presribed it to me, and 3 of my friends. (Very serious and curious about your reply-thank you!)

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32518 · April 16, 2012 at 12:56 AM

Looky here: http://wileywatch.org/ I have also looked into the protocol and would not touch it with a ten foot pole. Peri-menopausal & post-menopausal women taking massive amounts of progesterone (amounts that are only produced during pregnancy) makes absolutely NO sense to me.

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24271 · April 15, 2012 at 11:40 PM

Caroline you may want to add a comment under Dragonfly's answer so she will get notification that someone has left a comment for her. Otherwise she may never notice your question here given as an answer to the original question.

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32518 · April 16, 2012 at 1:42 AM

Also, my progressive, holistic doc (MD and Ayuvedic-trained) read the book and wrote a negative review on Amazon. "As a physician, I can tell you that Wiley's logic is poor, that her references to the scientific literature are often incorrect, and that she makes completely unfounded assumptions as to the safety of her method. Further, I have treated about ten women who tried the Wiley protocol through other physicians and found it, after a few months, to be worse than useless. This woman presents herself quite dangerously as a medical authority. Do not take this book seriously."

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32518 · April 16, 2012 at 2:01 AM

http://drerika.typepad.com/notepad/2006/10/letter_to_suzan.html

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32518 · April 16, 2012 at 1:18 AM

And I work with pregnant women, btw...

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32518 · April 15, 2012 at 8:29 PM

Progesterone has certainly helped me in the last few months with perimenopausal symptoms. I'm 49.

AFAIK, bio-identical estrogen is only available by prescription and so you would have to consult your care provider about that. Saliva testing is the way to go for hormone levels.

Before going Primal (18 months ago), I used Pro-gest cream for about 6 months to help with insomnia, dryness & weight gain. Once I got my diet tweaked, I stopped using it and have been symptom-free until the last 3 months.

Now I use it to prevent spotting between periods and it has been very effective for me. I've actually had fewer chocolate cravings and less bloating in the week before my period this month.

Dr. John Lee's books have been very helpful to me and worth reading even if you are not approaching Menopause.

My understanding is that it can help the body to balance hormones, since Progesterone is a precursor for the other sex hormones.

Best to use Progesterone in physiological doses (~20 mg) day during days 5-26 of your cycle and see how you feel. Large doses (The horrible Wiley Protocol, for example.) should be avoided.

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661 · April 16, 2012 at 12:27 AM

its weird bc im young, tested low on both progesterone and estrogen. i tried taking progesterone otc and it made me VERY VERY cranky so i stopped. i take otc estrogen cream (it exists) bi-estro and my mood instantly improved. i have major bloating and chocolate cravings too. i basically feel like im going through menopause

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661 · April 16, 2012 at 12:31 AM

oh andi basically have the worst fibro ever, im only 28

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25467 · April 16, 2012 at 12:51 AM

holly young perimenopausal girls need 30 day saliva studies....we talked about this at Paleo fx on a mastermind. Not all docs do them but look for one that does. Dan Kalish has a link to many docs who do this on his site. He is out of the Bay area.

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32518 · April 16, 2012 at 12:51 AM

Progesterone will initially "turn on" estrogen receptors and I felt pretty yucky for the first couple of weeks until my balance was restored. It sounds like you need to work with an endocrinologist, get your thyroid checked and see what else is going on.

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661 · April 16, 2012 at 8:53 PM

yeah i havent had much luck because all of my labs are "in range". im saving up to go to an osteopath. i hate having to deal with health insurance. it gives me major anxiety

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661 · April 16, 2012 at 8:54 PM

i did not know that about progesterone. i only tried it for a few days so that would make sense.

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661 · April 16, 2012 at 9:05 PM

side note, i also have a connective tissue disorder. i think theyre doing studies giving people with marfan's hormones (not sure which) for pain management... (i dont have this i have ehlers danlos syndrome).

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78422 · April 15, 2012 at 8:31 PM

There are a few things to think about. I am posting this as someone who has experience with this as a patient of an MD who works in this field. This post is just my opinion based on my experience.

1) I think you need a blood test to see Where your levels are. If you are low then getting into the "normal" range can really help you. I don't think it is a good idea to go way over your normal range like body builders do, that seems dangerous and unnecessary.

2) You need to think about other symptoms you may have. As someone who has experienced some depression as well as other symptoms of having low levels I feel like it has changed my life. I definitely felt like bioidenticals was a better solution than anti-depressants.

3) I do believe diet is also extremely important, I would try to adhere to paleo (diet and exercise) as much as you can first and if that does to not take care of it then perhaps hormones are a good solution.

4) Depending on what you are taking you need to think about how they are administered and if you can deal with that. Some have to be injected which may not be for everyone. There are typically alternatives but you need to look at the trade offs.

5) Yes, I believe your body will reduce its production if you supplement but I also believe it will go back to what it was if you stop. I am not an expert on this so maybe someone else knows for sure.

6) I suggest you find an anti-aging doctor in your area and go thought this process legitimately. I would not recommend that you go online and just order what you think you need. Contrary to what a lot of people think, there are good doctors out there who work with this stuff. Mine was the person who introduced me to paleo and I am really glad he did.

Good luck.

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661 · April 16, 2012 at 8:56 PM

the problem i have is these doctors are not covered by insurance and it's a LOT of money. ive purchased my own labs because i couldnt get a referral to an endo and then you have to beg them to order tests

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78422 · April 17, 2012 at 12:30 AM

I hear you on that. It has been expensive. For me it was worth it (kinda like grass fed meat) but that is something only you can decide.

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661 · April 17, 2012 at 5:20 PM

my fibro is so debilitating. (my hands have been numb now for like 2 years..slightly numb ALL THE TIME). if it did work for me it'd totally be worth it

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