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Has your periodontal disease improved with paleo?

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Created January 06, 2013 at 12:20 AM

I have a genetic form of periodontal disease and have twice had bone replacement surgery in the past. Dentists speak as though it will just get worse with time, and I get frequent cleanings to try to keep it from progressing. It is caused by bacteria deep in the gum, that can't be accessed by normal tooth hygiene.

I am wondering especially if daily consumption of long simmered bone broth might help prevent further bone loss in the mouth (it is the bone that sticks up between the roots of the teeth that I have lost in the past). Has anyone experienced any change since becoming paleo?

Of course I am also hoping that there is no way that eating paleo would worsen bone loss.

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842 · January 07, 2013 at 9:06 PM

Ask for all the complimentary books they will give you when you order (use the 800 # instead of the web) There is a male health book and I find, "There are no incurable diseases" invaluable. You can read those online for free, too.

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1195 · January 07, 2013 at 12:12 PM

OK, that helps me feel more confident about him. I will try the product.

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842 · January 06, 2013 at 11:02 PM

I think he is over the top and that stopped me at the beginning from using his products. He is quite the character. I have many friends who are naturopaths and a friend who is a biologist who studies our cells. They all recommended his herbs. If we get sick, I use his herbs and also do some of the cleanses.

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257 · January 06, 2013 at 5:33 PM

I think vitamin K2 is the main thing - try eating lots of butter and aged cheese and supplement it heavily! (and D. Make sure you're getting enough magnesium if you supplement D)

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25467 · January 06, 2013 at 4:39 PM

If not.....look into a TAQ 1 +/+ status or a CBS defect......that maybe why it has not improved on a paleo diet.

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1195 · January 06, 2013 at 4:14 PM

Good for you!!!

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1195 · January 06, 2013 at 4:14 PM

Thank you Luckie for all the tips. It is nice to hear a dental professional support oil pulling, which I do sporadically with coconut oil. I will try to be better about that. At the very least it makes my teeth look healthy and strong. I get cleanings every 2.5 months and I will never slack on those.

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2506 · January 06, 2013 at 1:09 PM

Eugenia, very interesting. I also have a sensitive front tooth which is a result from acid erosion (due to acid reflux). If the tooth bothers me I know I'm starting to have reflux. Taking an antacid takes care of the situation. Perhaps your consumption of calcium to address your sensitive tooth is actually reducing your stomach acid, which in turn helps your tooth, rather than making up for any sort of calcium deficiency?

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1195 · January 06, 2013 at 11:08 AM

Thank you for this link. I may get this product. I will say that his site seems a little over the top..like he is really trying to sell you something, but if you feel like the product can help, it is worth a shot.

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1195 · January 06, 2013 at 11:02 AM

THank you for your answer, and I am glad paleo has helped you. I am only 7 months into paleo, so maybe things will change for me eventually.

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1195 · January 06, 2013 at 11:00 AM

I do drink raw milk and I eat a lot of kale/collards so I haven't thought I might be deficient in calcium. Ironically, I was just wondering about making eggshell calcium...

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1195 · January 06, 2013 at 10:58 AM

Roth, thanks for these links. Regarding gargling with probiotics, do you use a liquid brand, or do you open a capsule in some water?

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11682 · January 06, 2013 at 1:42 AM

I have a sensitive front tooth. If I don't get enough calcium through dairy, it complaints to me via pain. I drink kefir, or eat cheese, or even take a calcium pill, and pain goes away within 20 minutes -- as if I had taken a pain killer. To me, the Paleo doctrine that we don't need dairy is wrong. We do need it, because nobody eats egg shells anymore. It's just that our dairy must always be fermented (no lactose), and from goat/sheep/buffalo only (the right casein, modern cows have the wrong one). So under these conditions, dairy should be encouraged for most dieters.

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2904 · January 06, 2013 at 12:57 AM

And this: http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/how-i-healed-my-childs-cavity/

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2904 · January 06, 2013 at 12:55 AM

You should gargle with probiotics and before bed, spread them around your gums and teeth. And read this article: http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/save-a-damaged-tooth-with-no-root-canal/

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420 · January 06, 2013 at 1:46 AM

I too have suffered periodontal issues. Before abandoning a standard diet I was having to see the periodontist 4 times/year for deep cleanings. I tried to maintain a good hygiene routine but I still required frequent cleanings.

In October of 2010 I discovered and converted to the paleo approach to diet. Quite gradually my gum health has improved. It was slow but at my last cleaning (3 times a year now) I had ZERO bleeding and no pain. Plus it went plenty quick. I'd say that there was a reversal of my gum disease.

I don't know what to attribute to the reversal for sure but I'd wager the removal of gluten played a large part (no longer binding minerals and disrupting digestion).

I hope you find improvement with your oral health

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1195 · January 06, 2013 at 11:02 AM

THank you for your answer, and I am glad paleo has helped you. I am only 7 months into paleo, so maybe things will change for me eventually.

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2978 · January 06, 2013 at 1:31 AM

I never had periodontal disease until I went paleo, but had it within a year after.

After taking a closer look at my diet by tracking food intake, what seemed to be missing was calcium -- my calcium intake had dropped quite a bit without my noticing. I took care of the problem pretty rapidly by increasing dairy intake, mostly via aged raw milk cheeses (which presumably add some K2 to my diet as well) & yogurt. My dentist was adamant that nutrition was not an issue -- that it must be home care or some other problem, and he remained adamant even after the problem cleared up. So I don't know if bone broth can help you, but I'm a firm believer in the nutrition - dental health link.

Also true that I always had difficult teeth cleanings at the dentist, and was always told I had a natural buildup and there wasn't anything I could do about it. After adding fermented cod liver oil + butter oil caps (more K2!) that problem is also gone.

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1195 · January 06, 2013 at 11:00 AM

I do drink raw milk and I eat a lot of kale/collards so I haven't thought I might be deficient in calcium. Ironically, I was just wondering about making eggshell calcium...

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2506 · January 06, 2013 at 1:09 PM

Eugenia, very interesting. I also have a sensitive front tooth which is a result from acid erosion (due to acid reflux). If the tooth bothers me I know I'm starting to have reflux. Taking an antacid takes care of the situation. Perhaps your consumption of calcium to address your sensitive tooth is actually reducing your stomach acid, which in turn helps your tooth, rather than making up for any sort of calcium deficiency?

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257 · January 06, 2013 at 5:33 PM

I think vitamin K2 is the main thing - try eating lots of butter and aged cheese and supplement it heavily! (and D. Make sure you're getting enough magnesium if you supplement D)

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11682 · January 06, 2013 at 1:42 AM

I have a sensitive front tooth. If I don't get enough calcium through dairy, it complaints to me via pain. I drink kefir, or eat cheese, or even take a calcium pill, and pain goes away within 20 minutes -- as if I had taken a pain killer. To me, the Paleo doctrine that we don't need dairy is wrong. We do need it, because nobody eats egg shells anymore. It's just that our dairy must always be fermented (no lactose), and from goat/sheep/buffalo only (the right casein, modern cows have the wrong one). So under these conditions, dairy should be encouraged for most dieters.

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10490 · January 06, 2013 at 2:54 PM

First off, keep going to your dentist/hygienist for your periodontal maintenance! Don't skip that. It really is important to keep under the gumline clean AND smooth.

Going Paleo, especially moderate or lower carb Paleo, should definitely help. Overall inflammation in the body, and particularly in the gums, should be reduced. If you can eat cheese, especially the harder, more aged stuff, do try to eat an ounce a week. It's more than just the calcium - think enzymes. Oils are also good - you may want to look into oil pulling. Google it, or search it here. Anything that's good for your skin and bones is also good for your teeth, so eat up on the bone broth, too. Take it easy on the super-acidic stuff, though on a Paleo diet that pretty much takes care of itself (soda, the horror!)

When it comes to oral hygiene, make sure you are using a SOFT toothbrush and using it gently. Only soft. Never medium and for the love of all that is bacony, hard toothbrushes should be illegal. Soft is nice and gentle on those already irritated and inflamed gums. Also, look in to a Waterpik. They're amazing. They get places and angles floss just doesn't get, you can get more enthusiastic with it because it won't cut you like floss can, and you can use a periodontal rinse in the water to give yourself a mild irrigation at home. Ask your hygienist which rinse you should use (chlorhexidine is often a good choice, but not for everyone) and at what concentration. Doing this even once a week, and just using regular water the rest of the time, will work wonders. If you are averse to using a chlorhexidine or other rinse, the Waterpik is still worth it.

(I'm a dental professional, and also a perio patient.)

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1195 · January 06, 2013 at 4:14 PM

Thank you Luckie for all the tips. It is nice to hear a dental professional support oil pulling, which I do sporadically with coconut oil. I will try to be better about that. At the very least it makes my teeth look healthy and strong. I get cleanings every 2.5 months and I will never slack on those.

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968 · January 06, 2013 at 4:09 PM

I haven't been to the dentist in 6 years (maybe more). I've been paleo for over a year now and my teeth feel even better. I have the teeth of a teenager! They feel cleaner and stronger since going paleo.

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1195 · January 06, 2013 at 4:14 PM

Good for you!!!

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842 · January 06, 2013 at 6:23 AM

I have used "tooth and gum" tonic from herbdoc.com for years. This gets inside of the gum. Friends who have had gum drafts used this to help heal. I brush my teeth with toothpaste that I make, and then use the tooth and gum tonic, leaving them in my mouth overnight without rinsing. There is info on it here: https://herbdocblog.com/# search on the left hand side by "herb or herbal product" and put in tooth and gum. He describes a paste to make in the blog called, "Gum and Absess Treatment" followed by a blog about keeping your teeth and gums healthy.

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1195 · January 06, 2013 at 11:08 AM

Thank you for this link. I may get this product. I will say that his site seems a little over the top..like he is really trying to sell you something, but if you feel like the product can help, it is worth a shot.

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842 · January 06, 2013 at 11:02 PM

I think he is over the top and that stopped me at the beginning from using his products. He is quite the character. I have many friends who are naturopaths and a friend who is a biologist who studies our cells. They all recommended his herbs. If we get sick, I use his herbs and also do some of the cleanses.

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1195 · January 07, 2013 at 12:12 PM

OK, that helps me feel more confident about him. I will try the product.

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842 · January 07, 2013 at 9:06 PM

Ask for all the complimentary books they will give you when you order (use the 800 # instead of the web) There is a male health book and I find, "There are no incurable diseases" invaluable. You can read those online for free, too.

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