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Bulletproof coffee: scam or awesome?

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Created February 22, 2012 at 5:57 PM

In case you haven't heard, Bulletproof Coffee is the latest trend in the Paleosphere http://www.bulletproofexec.com/how-to-make-your-coffee-bulletproof-and-your-morning-too/

To summarize, it's beans that are supposed to be low in mycotoxins + grassfed butter. Kind of a rift on traditional Tibetan butter tea.

I've been trying it because I love coffee, but normally it turns my stomach into sludge. So far, so good. Is it the butter? Or the low-mycotoxin coffee? Or french pressing it? Some roasting difference (I'm pretty sensitive to certain smoked/roasted foods)?For the record I had an allergy skintest and no longer test sensitive to molds, so it's quite curious to me.

Others are skeptical http://shotzombies.com/2012/02/01/bulletproof%E2%84%A2-upgraded-grass-fed-coffee/

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5 · February 25, 2014 at 2:32 PM

C'mon ! Is it possible to burn 4500 calories without exercising ? I don't think so no matter what he uses, and I bet to try that with thyroid and testosterone would bring death.

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0 · February 25, 2014 at 2:50 AM

Completely agree. Also, people waste money buying gelatin made from grass fed cows. Bones are bones and like you said your body doesn't care if the amino acids came from grass fed cows or corn fed cows. An amino acid is an amino acid. Grass fed beef on the other hand obviously is superior.

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0 · February 19, 2014 at 5:40 PM

Asprey’s fear of mycotoxins in coffee is completely unfounded (see http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7451391). The same or very similar coffee he sells for $18.95 can be bought from Portland Roasting Coffee for $9.95.

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17103 · January 19, 2014 at 1:57 PM

Or, you could try it using a high quality organic coffee with coconut oil and a good quality grassfed butter such as Kerrygold, and you'll find it has some very interesting effects over plain old coffee. I certainly find that great beans work much better than the cheaper commercial popular ones in terms of response.

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17103 · January 19, 2014 at 1:54 PM

As you can tell we also use computers, or handheld devices to get on the internets, yeah, that's right, it's not a historical re-enacment. Rather, we use what works and isn't harmful - there's plenty of studies that show that like any other nutrient, or vitamin, coffee (not just caffeine) has a U shaped curve where there are benefits on one side, and harm on the other. Oh, and we also wear cotton underwear, which cavemen never did.

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17103 · January 19, 2014 at 1:52 PM

It's good to be skeptical, you could always try things for yourself to see if they work or not. It's nice that you point to a paper claiming 30% of supplement don't have what they say on them, but you're trying to imply the stuff he sells falls under this category, where's the evidence that this is so? Also cholesterol - a required repair mechanism and produced by every cell in the body and required for hormone creation, is not correlated to CVD, never really was - that's a claim to sell statins.

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17103 · January 19, 2014 at 1:47 PM

The other issue is that quinoa, and chick peas may have identical amino acids to other foods, but they also contain problematic anti-nutrients such as saponins, which is why they aren't "allowed" on a paleo diet.

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17103 · January 19, 2014 at 1:45 PM

Um, there are forms of glutathione that are absorbed and survive digestion - liposomal glutathione for example. I don't disagree or agree with the rest - personally I just use the best organic coffee beans I can find, along with Kerrygold grassfed butter and coconut oil instead of MCT oil and get quite a kick out of it. I think the point is, he's on a 4000 calorie diet and losing fat, at minimum it's proof that the calories-in-calories-out theory is flawed.

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0 · January 19, 2014 at 12:05 PM

Coffee-Mike-NOT-Meaty-Missy

When I'm about to purchase my single origin beans, how do I know if they're in the 20%?

cheers

Christoffer

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15 · January 06, 2014 at 3:43 AM

Lol, for best effect this should be done while watching "The Wolf of Wall Street."

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1021 · February 28, 2013 at 7:55 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial

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1021 · February 28, 2013 at 7:54 PM

denial: not just a river in africa

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3432 · February 28, 2013 at 6:56 PM

They're not legumes. They're berries.

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3432 · February 28, 2013 at 2:09 PM

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignorance

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10176 · February 21, 2013 at 12:44 AM

Most Paleos use crutches like this to avoid going outside and actually ACTING like paleos.

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10176 · February 21, 2013 at 12:40 AM

And aren't coffee beans vaguely legumes? And isn't ketosis just Atkins dieting? And isn't dairy a problem anymore? Oh horrors! So many reasons to avoid it!

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10176 · February 21, 2013 at 12:29 AM

+1 Dave. Life goes on with or without bulletproof coffee. Not worth the trouble for something of limited, possibly undetectable, benefit.

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10176 · February 21, 2013 at 12:24 AM

The only thing missing in the resume is the part about being abducted by aliens. Put a bird on it and fly it back to Portland!

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1186 · February 17, 2013 at 11:10 PM

At first i really thought it was the same person...even the oranginess is similar...

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3432 · February 03, 2013 at 3:57 PM

You should see how upset people get when you mention Ferriss at bodybuilding.com... Also not a single one of his critics have attempted his programs.

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321 · January 28, 2013 at 5:41 PM

Knowing your before and after cholesterol DETAILS would be more telling. You could have had something actually negative happen, like go from 250 to 316 with a big spike in triglycerides.... or, you could have had the number go from 180 to 246 and a spike in GOOD cholesterol. Based on the biochemistry, the latter is more likely for most folks.

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321 · January 28, 2013 at 5:37 PM

Yeah.... that adrenal thing. I have the ASI test on my "to do" list. I should really get that bugger done.

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3432 · January 26, 2013 at 1:01 PM

lol... I'm sure it doesn't hurt that salt's delicious...

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3432 · January 26, 2013 at 1:01 PM

You probably like salt because of your adrenal fatigue. Due to the ketosis I dissolve a few rocks of pink Himalayan salt in my mouth every morning to protect adrenals. Also a trick from Asprey.

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3432 · January 26, 2013 at 12:57 PM

It's delicious. The fat enables ketosis. Technically not fasting. You're right about that. Congrats.

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3432 · January 26, 2013 at 12:53 PM

Sweet Maria's sells single-estate wet-processed coffee beans. I buy them green and roast them in my oven. Delicious. Not sure if they sell roasted beans or not..,

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3432 · December 06, 2012 at 11:41 PM

I've been using Sweet Maria's, roasting the beans myself. All you need is a sheet tray & an oven. The only thing that sucks is the wait, but I just need to get the timing down on my orders. Affordable and delicious.

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3432 · December 06, 2012 at 11:22 AM

Try it... not sure if it's a company deal, but Kerrygold's been on sale 2.99 a brick around here. Kept with the cheeses.

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2688 · November 03, 2012 at 3:07 PM

I've used anywhere from 1 tbsp butter and 2 tbsp MCT oil. But now I've determined that 4 tbsp butter and 3 tbsp MCT oil lets me not eat until dinner. I'm doing 1 solid meal a day so this works great for me. Absolutely NO energy fade through the day and my brain works like it did when I was 20 (Im 50 now). Warning - work up to this level of fat or you may experience aggressive bowel emptying.

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205 · November 02, 2012 at 2:42 AM

"(Mechanical process) is more about water efficiency. It's more expensive because of the equipment, but it's actually a lot more cost effective and can improve sorting and water efficiency. (Dave Asprey's) claim about the molds and bacteria is ludicrous though. That altitude on the farm isn't really the greatest Guatemala has to offer either. These are some interesting claims. I can assure you that you have nothing to worry about mold or bacteria wise (with wet process)." - http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=3578&start=0

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78417 · September 27, 2012 at 5:00 PM

Yay, dishes. Or you could just use cream....

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396 · August 13, 2012 at 3:39 AM

I want to give you like 5 stars for the thoroughness of your response. That's a college education in science for ya. (I'm guessing here.) I thoroughly appreciated that. Thank you for articulating exactly what I was feeling.

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656 · August 13, 2012 at 1:24 AM

But it's true. Glucose-deprived paleo dieters need all the stimulants they can get.

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3870 · August 12, 2012 at 11:31 PM

Way to overreach in your attempt at humor. Thumbs up for the **clever** fellow.

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656 · August 12, 2012 at 11:23 PM

"Mike White is to coffee as I am to meat." Which means exactly WHAT, Melissa?

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78417 · August 12, 2012 at 10:43 PM

Hot coffee+blender = boom, splash, ow....me no likey.

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5775 · August 12, 2012 at 7:59 PM

A jump in Cholesterol isn't unique. Anytime you add in more MCT's (either Coconut Oil, or especially pure MCT Oil) you will see this. This is definitely the case if you go from very little or zero MCT-containing fats to BPC. Then again, total Cholesterol is absolutely meaningless, as it well-documented.

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20411 · July 06, 2012 at 6:26 PM

@Matt - butter has many uses. As does strawberry jam. (Marlon Brando in Paris...)

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445 · June 24, 2012 at 1:05 PM

actually sun drying (natural process) is common in areas with less access to water. It isn't a "fancy" techniquem quite the opposite actually, and most professionals avoid these coffees for the less desirable (fermented) flavor profiles it creates.

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445 · June 24, 2012 at 12:50 PM

Intelligentsia is Direct Trade. They buy directly from the farmers. Fair Trade is an awful comparison: http://sustainabledev.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/Newevidenceofoldconcerns.pdf

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219 · June 24, 2012 at 9:36 AM

Dave also just responded to the comments at the other site with some more links that primarily deal with the issue of whether Alfotoxins or mold or whatever is bad. But I'm more interested in facts evidence that shows that Upgraded coffee is different, lower. Not just empty unenforceable conclusory representations, but detailed facts backing up and explaing the claims and third party studies.

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5775 · June 21, 2012 at 6:02 PM

Don't get me wrong. Upgraded Coffee has given me better results than anything else. With that said, I've really been experimenting with different sources and compared it to UC. My initial point was to tell people that even if you don't use the best-sourced coffee bean, the benefits of the grass-fed butter and MCT fatty acids outweigh not consuming BPC at all.

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263 · June 21, 2012 at 10:00 AM

Thanks T1G. I'm really open that I use low dose testo and thyroid - I had arthritis at 14 years old and was obese for half my life. Would love to get off both, but haven't figured it out (yet). I've spent tens of thousands of my site, and it's helped a lot of people. Guess that's not enough for some people.

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263 · June 21, 2012 at 9:56 AM

Think about it: I posted the recipe for butter and MCT in coffee for free a year before I started offering the beans. I only figured out how to source the beans because I was having problems finding beans that always worked to make me feel good. The quality from even high end roasters is variable, and it's processing-related. My beans are $2/bag more than Peet's. They cost more to produce (a lot more) and I've never personally profited a cent from selling coffee - all the money goes back into research, the blog, or sponsoring things like the Silicon Valley Quantified Self group.

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263 · June 21, 2012 at 9:52 AM

wtf? What is not transparent about my coffee? Do you read my blog? And how is Intelligentsia (great coffee!) more sustainable than my Rainforest Alliance certified beans (RA pays farmers 30% more than Fair Trade)?

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263 · June 21, 2012 at 9:49 AM

Oh, and cream has more casein than cultured butter, and less butyrate. Butyrate is why butter makes such a difference.

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263 · June 21, 2012 at 9:47 AM

Google "fish sauce" and "biogenic amine" if you think I'm being disingenuous when I say wet process is spoiled. Histamine in coffee is a major issue.

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263 · June 21, 2012 at 9:46 AM

For the record: http://www.bulletproofexec.com/3-steps-to-finding-the-highest-performance-coffee-in-your-city/

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263 · June 21, 2012 at 9:45 AM

Tim published his book before I did. I started biohacking in 1996, run an anti-aging non-profit group at svhi.com, and Wiley is publishing my book about epigenetics in Dec. My logo is all about Heart Rate Variability & stress; Tim doesn't cover those. He also likes beans and advocates junk food refuels. Bleah.

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263 · June 21, 2012 at 9:41 AM

Cream has lots more casein than cultured butter and less butyrate, which is why I created BP coffe that way. Cream tastes better but is more inflammatory.

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340 · June 15, 2012 at 2:16 PM

Isn't that due to the FRench press thang?

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219 · May 28, 2012 at 11:01 AM

I have no problem with him selling product and making money. But some of the content of the site (investment promotion, supplements) seems scammy and makes me question the trustworthiness of the whole site. He would do much better to have more disclosure about exactly what he is selling, and she stick to what he (seems to know) -- paleo food -- and stay away from the snake oil investment promotion.

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457 · May 27, 2012 at 9:27 PM

He has a whole podcast, where the guest talks about his use of testosterone. Dave openly admits he uses them, because he had extremely low levels at a young age. I do not know Dave personally, but I find the negativity towards the guy, to be appalling. Most of what he sells can be bought separately on amazon. He talks about not using the affiliate links on his site, if you don't want to contribute to him.

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457 · May 27, 2012 at 9:06 PM

How much money does it cost to run a site like his? What about all the content he provides for free? Are you slammed with ads at every click? I can understand your disdain about his investment advice. I've been trying to figure out trading for years, and there is nothing but scams out there. However, there is no obligation to purchase what his sister site sells. You can get the info graphic and podcasts for free. Dave seems like a genuine dude to me and probably makes more money as executive than he will ever make selling stuff off his site. I am lazy and don't care to source hq coffee.

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519 · May 27, 2012 at 3:38 PM

Samesies to Melissa's comment...I had a mini cream addiction that unfortunately had to go away, but I don't miss it too much any more. Butter's good.

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1578 · May 17, 2012 at 1:17 AM

Lol I'm seriously gonna try this.

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17103 · May 16, 2012 at 3:37 PM

You really should add "Trolololololo..." at the end incase some poor n00b goes out and actually tries it.

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445 · May 16, 2012 at 9:38 AM

yay! And they're more transparent and sustainable.

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14877 · May 16, 2012 at 1:31 AM

I'm a personal mission to do the exact opposite of anything NIkoley does, so I stick to OG, faire trade and shade grown coffee with regular old half n half.

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774 · May 02, 2012 at 8:22 AM

"When you put it in a blender" ... made me "WTF" all over myself.

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1880 · April 20, 2012 at 8:05 PM

Wouldn't Tibetan tea be chock full of mycos as it's black tea? Or does the Yak butter neutralize the mycos? Seriously, mycos are everwhere... I think magic coffee might taste great but I remain a skeptic about all of this.

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1880 · April 20, 2012 at 8:00 PM

I love coffee and have felt exhausted after some supposedly high grade single origin fresh brewed coffees. But I always feel great after the supposedly crappy instant regular and decaf organic Mt. Hagen coffee I use daily. I also like mushrooms - -especially maitake, white button, and portobellos. Maybe my body likes mycos.

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20 · March 07, 2012 at 3:00 AM

oh and I dont know anything about the mold-free coffee beans...

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20 · March 07, 2012 at 2:54 AM

who says coffee has to be only for stimulant addiction... i think it tastes yummy :)

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269 · March 06, 2012 at 8:53 PM

Not exactly - he argues some drying techniques increase mold for example. Some of the more fancy coffees which are sun dried, he claims, would have more mold. So it's not all about fancy coffee=less mold.

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39841 · March 06, 2012 at 8:18 PM

Never was much of a fan of cheat codes. I like to earn my fun.

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56616 · March 06, 2012 at 8:04 PM

oh Travis, your Puritanism is so cute.

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56616 · March 06, 2012 at 5:58 PM

that would indeed be a hilarious scam, but I think the concern is more about whether or not the mycotoxin thing is hype or not for the coffee beans he is selling

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17103 · March 03, 2012 at 3:27 PM

I didn't mean you, I meant that when I first read your answer someone else had downvoted you.

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17103 · March 03, 2012 at 2:23 PM

Yeah, you're right, I've tried it this way, and the blender prevents to oil slick too - I guess it emulsifies it. But then again, I get up early 5:30am, and don't want to wake everyone else up who wakes two hours later by running a blender.

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17103 · March 03, 2012 at 2:21 PM

ben: you can make it with your own coffee, using whatever beans you like. Obviously he's promoting his own product, so has a pony in this race. If you like the idea, make your own coffee, put it in your own blender with your own ghee/butter. You don't need his magic, fungus free beans.

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1638 · February 23, 2012 at 9:43 PM

Casually scanning these answers until I came to your second sentence and almost spit my tea all over the monitor. I can't stand coffee either (grin).

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15976 · February 23, 2012 at 6:51 PM

This is the kind of stuff that makes folk laugh at groups like paleo etc. the idea of no grain no legumes no dairy is legit and terrific but special coffee like this is ridiculous.

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525 · February 23, 2012 at 6:23 PM

@Melissa, I use an IKEA milk-frother and it works great - frothy layer and all.

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2485 · February 23, 2012 at 6:13 PM

Totally agreed. I get more transparency from my local roaster about their (*cough* cheaper *cough*) single origin beans than he provides.

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19220 · February 23, 2012 at 5:30 PM

Candy Land, I should have guessed :) Seriously though the specialist coffee I buy usually says which estate it was produced on.

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0 · February 23, 2012 at 5:11 PM

When you put it in the blender, it really doesn't float on the top. I just looked in my coffee cup to double check that.

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384 · February 23, 2012 at 4:43 PM

Really? That's interesting, but I can't say I ever experienced negative effects from butter. It was only when I started using a carton a week of the cream that I noticed a problem. I may reintroduce butter into my diet at some point, but I want to give it a few more months of no dairy at all to see how things go.

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641 · February 23, 2012 at 4:38 PM

MCT oil in coffee? A ricocheting superball is the first thing that comes to mind.

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2544 · February 23, 2012 at 4:25 PM

Such is why I am skeptical of Dave... The coffee is great but Mike's right... where does this coffee come from!?!?! It doesn't help that he has like a ton of other supplements he links to and sells a 4500 calorie low carb/high fat diet but fails to mention that he takes thyroid and testosterone... hmmm. But hey, the coffee's good.

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12369 · February 23, 2012 at 4:09 PM

haha ;) I guess i should really pick a side then

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6082 · February 23, 2012 at 3:34 PM

There is no gray area in Paleo, only: black & white, scam or awesome, no carb or high carb, fruit good or fruit bad, fat good or fat bad, starch good or starch evil.

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6082 · February 23, 2012 at 3:32 PM

Matthew, I happened to stumble upon this magic farm the other day while on a ride over Candy Land on my domesticated flying unicorn. It's located just 20 leagues west of the resurfaced island of Atlantis. I can draw you a map on some papyrus if you need, Google Maps hasn't been updated yet.

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278 · February 23, 2012 at 3:20 PM

Absolutely amazing. The Poppery II is still around and people are using it for that? I had no idea. I first saw that idea in a magazine that is long since gone called (I think) Cuisine in about 1985. Yes, that long ago. As you likely know, syrahna, the Poppery II works because it doesn't have a governor that shuts it down when it hits a certain temperature. I later got a German device called a Sirrocco that was intended for home roasting. I have since stopped due to the smoke and smell. Convince me that I am missing something, please (really).

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278 · February 23, 2012 at 3:15 PM

Hey, I didn't mean to downvote anyone. It was only intended to answer to Matt saying he didn't want a bunch of butter on top of his coffee. The B Executive is pretty clear that it is intended to be blended. I somehow didn't put it as an answer below his statement. Ooops.

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180 · February 23, 2012 at 2:37 PM

My mind is blown, the only "butter drink" I've heard of involved rum. This is going to make me reconsider ordering up some "Dead Man's Reach" beans from Ravensbrew.

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56616 · February 23, 2012 at 12:42 PM

Mike White is to coffee as I am to meat.

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19220 · February 23, 2012 at 12:37 PM

I would also like to know where the magic farm is.

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19220 · February 23, 2012 at 12:25 PM

Spoken by someone who knows his coffee :)

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56616 · February 23, 2012 at 7:10 AM

Why does this not work for me? I guess my immersion blender sucks.

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56616 · February 23, 2012 at 7:03 AM

It's interesting because I find that cream really screws me up, but butter seems to make my gut better.

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2417 · February 23, 2012 at 5:19 AM

Wet processed coffee is largely a regional thing. Central American coffees are often wet. African coffees are often dry processed. You can have world class beans by either process. I dunno. I am not going to stop eating fermented food. I think it's rather unscientific and disingenuous of the bulletproof coffee dude to call regular wet processed coffee "spoiled". Can you say kimchi, cheese, fish sauce, wine, beer, blah blah blah dude? "Spoiled" is an intellectually lazy way of appealing to lazy Americans.

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2417 · February 23, 2012 at 5:07 AM

Joe, go for it, you'll be so glad you did. It's really cheap. Or as expensive as you want to make it. I use a West Bend Poppery II and when I can afford to, I'll upgrade. But until then, my coffee is better than what I can buy in the store. Sweet Maria's is a fabulous resource. http://www.sweetmarias.com/sweetmarias/coffee-roasters/air-roasters/west-bend-air-crazy-hot-air-popper.html

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2417 · February 23, 2012 at 5:03 AM

Yeah, I'm with you on the mycotoxins. I think there are much more intense sources of dietary mold than coffee beans. I am quite sensitive to mold, and I don't notice anything at all with the lovely green coffee beans I roast. Of course, those beans are ALSO from nice clean organic(ish) coffee estates, just like the beans he sells.

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7592 · February 23, 2012 at 4:36 AM

The word asshat--awesome.

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3703 · February 23, 2012 at 3:37 AM

Mct oil burns body fat...per research

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3703 · February 23, 2012 at 3:35 AM

Mct oil burns body fat...per research

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3703 · February 23, 2012 at 3:33 AM

I enjoy ALL hackers.... PH'ers and otherwise!

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17103 · February 23, 2012 at 2:18 AM

another downvote? we'll I'll upvote this one too. Because yes, putting it in the blender does get rid of the slick. I've tried it, it works.

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17103 · February 23, 2012 at 2:17 AM

some asshat downvoted you, I see this as a great injustice, so I've upvoted you. So there! :) Wish I could do cow dairy, but alas, it causes me GERD. You can get rid of the grease by first mixing the butter/ghee/coconut oil with cocoa powder, THEN pour hot coffee over it and mix. (that is if you like mocha).

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17103 · February 23, 2012 at 2:14 AM

Who cares, you can learn from both.

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17103 · February 23, 2012 at 2:13 AM

@j3wcy - kcups and the like are unknown kinds of coffee, premade, and you're stuck buying them forever. Get a real burr grinder and coffee maker instead of making some company rich, and use good quality organic unflavored coffee beans. If you can afford and get your hands on it, Kona IMNSHO is the best. If you want flavor, add in some vanilla extract, or nutella, or better yet cocoa powder. (Along with the butter/ghee/coconut oil, maca, etc.)

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2913 · February 23, 2012 at 1:22 AM

Clarification: "Upgraded Coffee" is the low-toxin, high-quality, organic coffee; "Bulletproof Coffee" is the Upgraded Coffee blended with butter and coconut oil.

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1906 · February 23, 2012 at 12:23 AM

Are you folks using MCT oil or coconut oil, and at what ratios compared to the other ingredients?

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2544 · February 23, 2012 at 12:16 AM

agreed - I feel like an energizer bunny

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2485 · February 22, 2012 at 11:25 PM

And by the way by "compelling" I mean that I'm fairly sure mycotoxins aren't great for you, and I wasn't aware they occurred during coffee processing. But knowing about mycotoxins in general I suspect they're not so much "performance robbing" as bad for your liver.

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56616 · February 22, 2012 at 10:39 PM

Both are probably most hype, but I started enjoying cassoulet because of Feriss and butter coffee because of Asprey, so at least they aren't totally bad.

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56616 · February 22, 2012 at 10:12 PM

Yeah, actually maybe it makes me feel a little crazy/manic/ADHD. BUT SO MUCH ENERGY.

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4620 · February 22, 2012 at 10:07 PM

Hmm, I should try this. I adore coffee but it usually destroys my tummy.

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4703 · February 22, 2012 at 9:44 PM

@Banded Girl Admittedly, that's probably the best way to go about it, but the whole reason I got the Keurig was to make it turnkey, and that adds back in a level of complexity I don't want. I was thinking maybe the Green Mountain 100% arabica would work ok.

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1804 · February 22, 2012 at 8:31 PM

Yes, as I discovered the hard way - blending is a must or you will have the majority of the butter floating at the top. Makes that last quarter cup pretty hard to handle!

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19220 · February 22, 2012 at 8:28 PM

Magic Bullet sounds like some adult toy.

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1614 · February 22, 2012 at 8:23 PM

a required step to avoid "lipid pools" at top is violent blending via magic bullet or some other device, that'll distribute the creaminess throughout the drink just fine, along with frothy goodness at the top almost latte style.

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1614 · February 22, 2012 at 8:21 PM

Any tips for home roasting on a budget? I heard once a popcorn roaster could be converted to a small batch coffee roaster with a few modifications but not sure on the details.

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528 · February 22, 2012 at 8:20 PM

@j3wcy Why not get one of the reusable K cups you can use with your own beans if you really want to try it? They're about $15 on Amazon.

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4703 · February 22, 2012 at 7:39 PM

I really want to try this, but I have a Keurig and don't really want to buy a regular coffee maker just to buy his beans. Thoughts? His website indicates to me I'd be alright as long as I went 100% arabica.

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4059 · February 22, 2012 at 7:21 PM

I tried this at home and it was weird and unappealing. Just a nice cup of good quality fresh roasted coffee and plenty of heavy cream is delicious to me. Salubrious? Prolly.

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19220 · February 22, 2012 at 6:39 PM

How much butter are you putting in your coffee?

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56616 · February 22, 2012 at 6:34 PM

I'm using his coffee. I've drank butter tea for years though

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4703 · February 22, 2012 at 6:27 PM

Melissa have you been buying his coffee or using your own?

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445 · February 23, 2012 at 11:09 AM

The coffee community is skeptical because he makes a bunch of unsubstantiated claims about quality and provides none of the transparency required to back it up. Coffee is a crop that grows on the side of mountains and is harvested under incredibly varying conditions. Even at the most progressive farms in the world the end result is a product that changes every season. The idea that he's found some magical farm that is resistant to mold is total nonsense. That said, in order to be classified as Specialty Coffee it has to score an 80+ on a 100 point scale. Mold is considered a defect resulting in lower grade. In other words, bad coffee you shouldn't drink anyway. No high quality coffees have mold damage, by definition. The Specialty market is only about 20% of the overall market, so it's easy to drink bad coffee. But this guy is not operating in that 20%, and instead seems to be focused on hacking the marketing instead.

If you drink a coffee that makes you feel bad, I'd respectfully suggest that you've been sold a low grade coffee (80% of a $9 billion market).

Melissa since you're now in Chicago (or nearabouts) I'd recommend getting to know some folks at Intelligentsia. Just as you have with your new meat purveyors. They're operating at a legitimately high level and are helping to make that chain smaller. There are others as well of course, but Intelligentsia is one of the best and in your area.

He doesn't even tell us where it's from. Would you put anything else in your mouth whose origins you couldn't verify?

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0 · February 19, 2014 at 5:40 PM

Asprey’s fear of mycotoxins in coffee is completely unfounded (see http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7451391). The same or very similar coffee he sells for $18.95 can be bought from Portland Roasting Coffee for $9.95.

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0 · January 19, 2014 at 12:05 PM

Coffee-Mike-NOT-Meaty-Missy

When I'm about to purchase my single origin beans, how do I know if they're in the 20%?

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656 · August 12, 2012 at 11:23 PM

"Mike White is to coffee as I am to meat." Which means exactly WHAT, Melissa?

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445 · June 24, 2012 at 1:05 PM

actually sun drying (natural process) is common in areas with less access to water. It isn't a "fancy" techniquem quite the opposite actually, and most professionals avoid these coffees for the less desirable (fermented) flavor profiles it creates.

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269 · March 06, 2012 at 8:53 PM

Not exactly - he argues some drying techniques increase mold for example. Some of the more fancy coffees which are sun dried, he claims, would have more mold. So it's not all about fancy coffee=less mold.

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2485 · February 23, 2012 at 6:13 PM

Totally agreed. I get more transparency from my local roaster about their (*cough* cheaper *cough*) single origin beans than he provides.

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19220 · February 23, 2012 at 5:30 PM

Candy Land, I should have guessed :) Seriously though the specialist coffee I buy usually says which estate it was produced on.

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2544 · February 23, 2012 at 4:25 PM

Such is why I am skeptical of Dave... The coffee is great but Mike's right... where does this coffee come from!?!?! It doesn't help that he has like a ton of other supplements he links to and sells a 4500 calorie low carb/high fat diet but fails to mention that he takes thyroid and testosterone... hmmm. But hey, the coffee's good.

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6082 · February 23, 2012 at 3:32 PM

Matthew, I happened to stumble upon this magic farm the other day while on a ride over Candy Land on my domesticated flying unicorn. It's located just 20 leagues west of the resurfaced island of Atlantis. I can draw you a map on some papyrus if you need, Google Maps hasn't been updated yet.

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56616 · February 23, 2012 at 12:42 PM

Mike White is to coffee as I am to meat.

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19220 · February 23, 2012 at 12:37 PM

I would also like to know where the magic farm is.

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19220 · February 23, 2012 at 12:25 PM

Spoken by someone who knows his coffee :)

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5949 · February 23, 2012 at 12:22 AM

Scam or awesome? More like totally irrelevant. I can get great quality organic dark roast coffee in town, and our local organic dairy, with grass-fed Jersey cows, has fantastic heavy cream. I find the idea of a pool of grease floating on top of my coffee unappealing.

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78417 · August 12, 2012 at 10:43 PM

Hot coffee+blender = boom, splash, ow....me no likey.

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774 · May 02, 2012 at 8:22 AM

"When you put it in a blender" ... made me "WTF" all over myself.

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17103 · March 03, 2012 at 2:23 PM

Yeah, you're right, I've tried it this way, and the blender prevents to oil slick too - I guess it emulsifies it. But then again, I get up early 5:30am, and don't want to wake everyone else up who wakes two hours later by running a blender.

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When you put it in the blender, it really doesn't float on the top. I just looked in my coffee cup to double check that.

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7592 · February 23, 2012 at 4:36 AM

The word asshat--awesome.

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17103 · February 23, 2012 at 2:17 AM

some asshat downvoted you, I see this as a great injustice, so I've upvoted you. So there! :) Wish I could do cow dairy, but alas, it causes me GERD. You can get rid of the grease by first mixing the butter/ghee/coconut oil with cocoa powder, THEN pour hot coffee over it and mix. (that is if you like mocha).

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219 · May 27, 2012 at 11:00 AM

There are two totally unrelated issues with Bulletproof coffee:

1) lower mycotoxin coffee and specifically his "Upgraded coffee" beans

2) adding grass-fed butter to your coffee.

number 2, is relatively simple: butter replaces cream; it can be greasy if you don't emulsify it; some like it some don't; it works for the tibetans and their yak butter. give it a try -- no big deal.

number 1 is more complex. Bulletproof Upgraded coffee is Portland Roasting Guatemalan coffee -- you can go to their website and buy it directly slightly cheaper. I can't figure out if the Upgraded Coffee is just the regular Portland Roasting Guatemalan coffee packaged in his packaging, or if he gets special lower-mold versions of their coffee. I suspect the former. I would also be interested in the level of mold/mycotoxins in other organic or special high grade coffee. It is hard to tell.

Here is a detailed assessment of his coffee claims from: http://cooking.stackexchange.com/questions/19863/are-fungal-toxins-a-significant-problem-in-coffee-and-if-so-can-they-be-avoide

The blog post: * Is (so far) the first and only one I've ever seen stating mold to be a practical problem in coffee - in the sense of being present in a high enough quantity to matter (mold grows everywhere). * Uses all kinds of weasel words to describe symptoms ("edgy", "cranky", "useless mentally"). * Describes symptoms that are well in line with plain old caffeine withdrawal. * Frequently links to other blog posts on the same site, most of which are "top 10 ways" and "top 5 reasons" fluff pieces. * Manages to cite and thoroughly misuse two studies: one from 1995, and another from 2003. Both are about Ochratoxin A (OA), which isn't even the biggest risk; Aflatoxin is. (More on these later). * Advertises a fairly expensive product, sold by the same author.

The author: * Is, according to his LinkedIn profile (which I refuse to link here), the VP of Cloud Security at Trend Micro - a Silicon Valley tech company. Neither he nor his employer has any experience in human biology or nutrition. * Makes all sorts of fantastical claims about himself: "He upgraded his brain by >20 IQ points, lowered his biological age, and lost 100 lbs without using calories or exercise." * Has an entire page of testimonials, which he frequently cites as "evidence". * Has an entire site dedicated to product-peddling, including the ubiquitous six-second abs and even a $60 "earthing mat", if you can believe that. Go ahead, see for yourself. * Is, in short, not much different from every other con artist and MLM out there on the web selling colon cleansers and magnetic bracelets; he just likes to use technobabble instead of conventional pseudoscience, hoping to woo the geeks out there who don't fall for the usual snake oil.

The facts and studies: * The largest sample tested was just 60 samples of beans, and was tested from only one source (Brazil). This is fine for individual studies, but in the real world there are hundreds (thousands?) of sources from many different countries. It's safe to say that the current studies don't even come close to testing all of the coffee from around the world. * Both OA studies found an incidence rate of approximately 50% for the OA-producing mold, at wildly different concentrations (minimum 0.2 ppb in one study, maximum 7.8 ppb in another). * Neither the FDA nor the EFSA actually have a legal limit for OA, but the EFSA "suggests" a limit of 8 ??g/kg, which means that even the worst samples are below the very conservative legal limit. * One study actually tested the incidence of OA in brewed coffee, not just the beans, and found a maximum of 7.8 ppb in the brew (that's 7.8 ??g per 1 kg of ground coffee). For reference, there's an EFSA directive recommending an intake of no more than 120 ng/kg (body weight) per week, which comes out to 8.4 ??g/day for a 150 lb/70 kg individual, or 1.2 ??g/day. * Based on the worst contamination of brewed coffee (7.8 ??g/kg), doing the math, you'd have to consume the brew from 150 g of ground coffee per day. That's about half a standard-sized tin of coffee. Per day. * The 3rd study (the one rumtscho linked to, not cited by the blogger/con artist) looked at Aflatoxin, not Ochratoxin, which actually is regulated by the FDA at a maximum of 20 ppb. This study also showed approximately a 50% incidence rate after roasting, with the highest concentration of AT being 16 ??g/kg for decaf (less with caffeine). So that means with any random cup of coffee you have up to a 50% chance of consuming an amount of AT that's still well below the FDA limit - that's very nearly zero risk. * None of the studies test the rate of mold growth on beans while in storage under various conditions (temperature, humidity, etc.), so we can't comment on what happens in storage.

So I guess if you want to really be on the safe side, only buy as much coffee as you think you can use in a week or two.

Conclusion:

Don't believe everything that people tell you - especially people with something to sell. Unless you're drinking gallons of coffee a day, brewed coffee is perfectly safe. [end of quote from other site]

As for a general assessment of his website: I think the diet info is generally very good, and the infographic is especially good. But there are some very scammy elements to his website. He recently delved into investment advice and even directed readers to a specific investment adviser/manager and the investment advice is complete and utter nonsense -- literally very obvious snake oil "I-have-a-secret-formula-for-beating-the-market". Total hucksterism. It really makes the whole website suspect for me and makes me suspect the coffee and anything else he is selling. I suspect he read Ferris' 4 hour work week book, and this website is 4 hour work week business all aiming to make money and I would not trust anything on the site unless it refers to specific authoritative sources. Much of the diet advice does refer to specific authoritative sources, but most of it is just basic paleo conventional wisdom that most here would not find controversial.

In short, I think the diet infographic is the best thing on the site, and I would be very hesitant to trust any of the other claims aobut products or anything else on the site without more transparency and sources that back up the claims.

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10176 · February 21, 2013 at 12:24 AM

The only thing missing in the resume is the part about being abducted by aliens. Put a bird on it and fly it back to Portland!

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396 · August 13, 2012 at 3:39 AM

I want to give you like 5 stars for the thoroughness of your response. That's a college education in science for ya. (I'm guessing here.) I thoroughly appreciated that. Thank you for articulating exactly what I was feeling.

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219 · June 24, 2012 at 9:36 AM

Dave also just responded to the comments at the other site with some more links that primarily deal with the issue of whether Alfotoxins or mold or whatever is bad. But I'm more interested in facts evidence that shows that Upgraded coffee is different, lower. Not just empty unenforceable conclusory representations, but detailed facts backing up and explaing the claims and third party studies.

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219 · May 28, 2012 at 11:01 AM

I have no problem with him selling product and making money. But some of the content of the site (investment promotion, supplements) seems scammy and makes me question the trustworthiness of the whole site. He would do much better to have more disclosure about exactly what he is selling, and she stick to what he (seems to know) -- paleo food -- and stay away from the snake oil investment promotion.

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457 · May 27, 2012 at 9:06 PM

How much money does it cost to run a site like his? What about all the content he provides for free? Are you slammed with ads at every click? I can understand your disdain about his investment advice. I've been trying to figure out trading for years, and there is nothing but scams out there. However, there is no obligation to purchase what his sister site sells. You can get the info graphic and podcasts for free. Dave seems like a genuine dude to me and probably makes more money as executive than he will ever make selling stuff off his site. I am lazy and don't care to source hq coffee.

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278 · February 23, 2012 at 12:44 AM

You are in luck because if you blend it there will be no pool of grease of any kind.

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78417 · September 27, 2012 at 5:00 PM

Yay, dishes. Or you could just use cream....

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17103 · March 03, 2012 at 3:27 PM

I didn't mean you, I meant that when I first read your answer someone else had downvoted you.

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278 · February 23, 2012 at 3:15 PM

Hey, I didn't mean to downvote anyone. It was only intended to answer to Matt saying he didn't want a bunch of butter on top of his coffee. The B Executive is pretty clear that it is intended to be blended. I somehow didn't put it as an answer below his statement. Ooops.

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17103 · February 23, 2012 at 2:18 AM

another downvote? we'll I'll upvote this one too. Because yes, putting it in the blender does get rid of the slick. I've tried it, it works.

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39841 · March 06, 2012 at 7:58 PM

Seems to me that a stimulant addiction is a scam no matter who the dealer is. They should make coffee that you can snort off of a mirror for the full 80s club scene effect.

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Lol, for best effect this should be done while watching "The Wolf of Wall Street."

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oh and I dont know anything about the mold-free coffee beans...

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20 · March 07, 2012 at 2:54 AM

who says coffee has to be only for stimulant addiction... i think it tastes yummy :)

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39841 · March 06, 2012 at 8:18 PM

Never was much of a fan of cheat codes. I like to earn my fun.

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56616 · March 06, 2012 at 8:04 PM

oh Travis, your Puritanism is so cute.

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5775 · May 16, 2012 at 2:58 AM

Here's my response, and it echoes what others have said.

I'm a fan of Dave Asprey. A big fan. However, like anything, Bulletproof coffee is something you have to try if you're a regular coffee drinker. Those who are, like daily, it's very easy to incorporate and test. Like others, I'm always looking for a new edge to my morning/after coffee.

The stuff is legit. At least N=1. I feel great when I use MCT Oil + Butter. I also use Cinnamon + Stevia and blend it for a minute. The result is a fabulous, filling and creamy drink that can last a few hours (I generally make 32-40 oz at a time and carry it in a thermos).

I have a pretty demanding job, at least one that requires a cognitive function on-point most of the time. I've definitely seen benefits not only getting started in the day, but maintaining a high-level performance for a longer period of time. Maybe some of it is placebo, thinking I'm consuming this great stuff that should make me perform higher.

However, if this isn't enough for me to buy-in, I've tried a few other things with it. Using it DURING a heavy strength/Crossfit workout. I'm not sure if it's the MCT Oil (most have tried this as a pre-workout in the past) or the caffeine (or a combo), but it works. It's works great. After letting it cool, I've sipped on BPC for an hour and been able to complete things I've never done before. Again, maybe there is some natural progression going on here, but in-comparison to previous stuff, it's seemed to work better.

So in conclusion, maybe it's not magic, but for two things I take very seriously (work and fitness), I've seen serious benefits both physically and mentally since I started making BPC (or some personal variance) everyday.

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I too am a huge believer in BPC. Been drinking it for two years now and can tell from my experience, it's real. I travel a lot, long hour on the road and in sales presentations and can say when I am not drinking this I am feeling it later in the day. 1st: MCT oil is a great reliever of over drinking (hang over), combined and blended with grassfed butter and collegen protein, cacao powder... you have a great healthy blend. Stirring alone just doesn't cut it. Coffee alone is just jittery and the afternoon crash is absolute.2nd: MCT & Butter = a smooth transition into Keto which helps with weight control and mental sharpness, throughout the day. 3rd: I mountain bike, hard. And at 53 yrs old, I ride like I'm racing, jumping logs, rocks, switchback and sustained climbs, all of the above keeps me going. 4th: when it's time to hit the hay and get some sleep, the caffiene is out of my system and I'm fast asleep for a good night's circadian rythm rest. Be a doubter or be a tester, I tested and my N=1 tells me this is no scam and my test is longer than 2 years running. Finally: my lipid test weren't the best in the past, my Dr's are now believers after seeing my results change over these past two years.

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12540 · February 22, 2012 at 8:05 PM

Can't tell you whether it's a scam -- what I -can- tell you is that the coffee smells wonderful and has an amazing flavor, so whether it's got any benefits in terms of health or not, it satisfies on an emotional level -- and that's important, too, isn't it?

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6418 · February 22, 2012 at 10:34 PM

Who came first, Tim Ferriss or Asprey?

bulletproof-coffee:-scam-or-awesome?

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1186 · February 17, 2013 at 11:10 PM

At first i really thought it was the same person...even the oranginess is similar...

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263 · June 21, 2012 at 9:45 AM

Tim published his book before I did. I started biohacking in 1996, run an anti-aging non-profit group at svhi.com, and Wiley is publishing my book about epigenetics in Dec. My logo is all about Heart Rate Variability & stress; Tim doesn't cover those. He also likes beans and advocates junk food refuels. Bleah.

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3703 · February 23, 2012 at 3:33 AM

I enjoy ALL hackers.... PH'ers and otherwise!

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17103 · February 23, 2012 at 2:14 AM

Who cares, you can learn from both.

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56616 · February 22, 2012 at 10:39 PM

Both are probably most hype, but I started enjoying cassoulet because of Feriss and butter coffee because of Asprey, so at least they aren't totally bad.

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12369 · February 22, 2012 at 6:26 PM

Hmmm...my initial thought is does it have to be either a scam or awesome?

If you are finding that your tummy is handling it better than your regular cup of joe, then great! You'll find skeptics of EVERYTHING on the internet!

The bulletproof exec site is down right now, so I'm not too sure as to what their big claim is, also what the price difference is. Now I'm SUPER curious though.

Mycotoxins in coffee is interesting - and I would think that there is HUGE variability in how much would be in different types of coffee, brands and could also vary greatly from bag to bag.

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10176 · February 21, 2013 at 12:29 AM

+1 Dave. Life goes on with or without bulletproof coffee. Not worth the trouble for something of limited, possibly undetectable, benefit.

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12369 · February 23, 2012 at 4:09 PM

haha ;) I guess i should really pick a side then

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6082 · February 23, 2012 at 3:34 PM

There is no gray area in Paleo, only: black & white, scam or awesome, no carb or high carb, fruit good or fruit bad, fat good or fat bad, starch good or starch evil.

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2175 · February 23, 2012 at 12:20 AM

I wouldn't say it has the potential to be a scam because he clearly tells you how to make it without obligation to buying his coffee. I do believe it is in how you prepare it, and the quality of the coffee makes a huge difference. Also, be sure to use UN-SALTED butter. When I do skip breakfast, it works wonders for me. Could be that it's not everyone's "cup of tea".

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263 · June 21, 2012 at 9:46 AM

For the record: http://www.bulletproofexec.com/3-steps-to-finding-the-highest-performance-coffee-in-your-city/

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2544 · February 22, 2012 at 10:09 PM

I have been super skeptical of Dave Asprey and Bulletproof... been pretty vocal about it with some of my answers here on PaleoHacks.

But F me I dig bulletproof coffee! Ordered the beans and have been drinking it for a week along with the MCT oil and a teaspoon of sugar and I feel incredible. I am 10 days away from shooting my senior thesis film so things are incredibly crazy and non-stop for me with very little opportunity to get a full nights rest (7 hours max)... but the coffee has keep me sharp, energetic, but still able to calm down at night and sleep. I guess I feel bulletproof.... HAA!

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3703 · February 23, 2012 at 3:37 AM

Mct oil burns body fat...per research

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3703 · February 23, 2012 at 3:35 AM

Mct oil burns body fat...per research

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2544 · February 23, 2012 at 12:16 AM

agreed - I feel like an energizer bunny

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56616 · February 22, 2012 at 10:12 PM

Yeah, actually maybe it makes me feel a little crazy/manic/ADHD. BUT SO MUCH ENERGY.

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1186 · February 22, 2012 at 8:54 PM

I drink coffee and eat 2tbsp of coconut butter every morning. Being a coffee snob, I like to source my coffee direct (no Tim Hortons or Starbucks brands here) and I use my own espresso machine to make a morning Americano. I highly doubt my body can tell the difference between eating them separately or as one unit. The way I see it: I get my coffee, I get my coconut butter, I get butter (cooked my eggs in it). It's not a passcode. The body can't tell the difference between bites (or slurps).

I do like the Bulletproof guy, although I disagree with some of his supplements, I think it's great he continually hacks himself.

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1614 · February 22, 2012 at 7:17 PM

I've been experimenting for a couple of months with going only high end specialty coffee beans (single source, higher elevation, good processing, etc) and can say I do seem to have sharper mental focus without the usual side effects of too much coffee in a day. I suppose it could be placebo, don't know unless I started doing double blind tests on myself.

The butter + MCT oil has been amazing. I used it once to fuel a 4 hour night snowboarding session in 17 degree weather (well plus a couple of egg yolks) and I felt great. Also seems to give me good solid even energy throughout most the day in general, prior to jiu jitsu classes, etc. Recommended.

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289 · February 22, 2012 at 6:19 PM

I feel good with it (using standard coffee), and can substitute it for breakfast happily, with butter and MCTs from coconut oil as fuel. As that reduces the window for eating protein and carbohydrate it's an appealing idea for a decadent "fast" of sorts.

Very skeptical about the impact of mycotoxins on mental fog and other subjective measures, I think we're into placebo territory. Perhaps there are some people very sensitive, and if so Dave Asprey's one, but his diet is tailored around the risk of mycotoxins which I personally think is taking things too far for the vast majority. He's good on marketing though and I'd wish him all the best with popularising the health effects of coffee. It's supposedly the largest source of antioxidants for the average American, lowers diabetes risk etc.

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2417 · February 23, 2012 at 5:03 AM

Yeah, I'm with you on the mycotoxins. I think there are much more intense sources of dietary mold than coffee beans. I am quite sensitive to mold, and I don't notice anything at all with the lovely green coffee beans I roast. Of course, those beans are ALSO from nice clean organic(ish) coffee estates, just like the beans he sells.

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40 · February 22, 2012 at 7:41 PM

I can definitely vouch for better quality coffee reducing the jitters and negative side effects of crappy coffee. I roast green beans at home which makes drinking coffee literally the best part of the day. I go to bed at night thinking of how good the coffee will be in the morning.

I've tried Dave's "recipe" with butter and coconut oil, but I can't say I was nuts about it. I definitely prefer pasture-raised heavy cream. You don't get that butter-on-the-lips feeling...

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278 · February 23, 2012 at 3:20 PM

Absolutely amazing. The Poppery II is still around and people are using it for that? I had no idea. I first saw that idea in a magazine that is long since gone called (I think) Cuisine in about 1985. Yes, that long ago. As you likely know, syrahna, the Poppery II works because it doesn't have a governor that shuts it down when it hits a certain temperature. I later got a German device called a Sirrocco that was intended for home roasting. I have since stopped due to the smoke and smell. Convince me that I am missing something, please (really).

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2417 · February 23, 2012 at 5:07 AM

Joe, go for it, you'll be so glad you did. It's really cheap. Or as expensive as you want to make it. I use a West Bend Poppery II and when I can afford to, I'll upgrade. But until then, my coffee is better than what I can buy in the store. Sweet Maria's is a fabulous resource. http://www.sweetmarias.com/sweetmarias/coffee-roasters/air-roasters/west-bend-air-crazy-hot-air-popper.html

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1614 · February 22, 2012 at 8:21 PM

Any tips for home roasting on a budget? I heard once a popcorn roaster could be converted to a small batch coffee roaster with a few modifications but not sure on the details.

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8255 · February 22, 2012 at 6:52 PM

Did you try regular coffee with grassfed butter yourself and still have the sludge problem? I'm also in the camp questioning mycotoxins being as bad as he says.

Oh, and it's a moot point for me, I can't stand the taste of coffee...

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1638 · February 23, 2012 at 9:43 PM

Casually scanning these answers until I came to your second sentence and almost spit my tea all over the monitor. I can't stand coffee either (grin).

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100 · February 22, 2012 at 6:24 PM

n=1 on this but I tried it a few times with Chock Full O Nuts Dark New York roast and it made me excessively jittery. I then went out and splurged on some Wet Processed high quality coffee from Gimme Coffee! (a local roaster) and noticed a huge difference in the jitters and mental fog that sometimes comes with too much coffee for me too much at once. I haven't tried the brand that he is selling, but I can confirm that using better coffee gave me better results.

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20 · January 26, 2013 at 7:10 AM

I went all out on the bulletproof diet for a full month. BP coffee in the morning and grass fed beef, spinach etc. Lost 25 pounds in 30 days and feel great. It's definitely not a placebo. The coffee clearly gives you more energy and like someone said earlier, Dave gives you ways to find BP low-toxin coffees in your city right on his blog. I don't even buy his Upgraded stuff but I drink the BP coffee every morning now and feel great. Dave has some great insight on diet - it really has transformed my life not to sound completely cheesy. Try it for a month, it won't kill you. I have no doubt everyone on this board will feel better.

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205 · November 02, 2012 at 2:40 AM

Here are some good bets for mycotoxin free coffee brands broken up into mechanical processing & wet processing : blog.healclick.com/mycotoxin-free-coffee-brands/

I wasn't too fond of paying $25 per lb of coffee, and it turns out many coffees that meet the criteria of mechanical (or wet) process / high elevation / single-origin (or better yet, single-estate) can be found for much closer to what you'd pay for any organic/fair-trade beans.

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2291 · March 06, 2012 at 5:47 PM

All other things put aside, I can't think of any reason someone would benefit from scamming people into putting butter in their coffee.

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56616 · March 06, 2012 at 5:58 PM

that would indeed be a hilarious scam, but I think the concern is more about whether or not the mycotoxin thing is hype or not for the coffee beans he is selling

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519 · February 23, 2012 at 4:58 PM

i buy fazenda aurea from burmancoffee.com It is supposedly dry processed. It is one of the cheapest green coffee beans available from that site and I've found a world of difference in roasting it at home--controlling the roast and not going much beyond first crack results in a very mild bean that is welcome to the more tender stomachs in the household (I am a phillistine and roast in a wok outside.)

this is the first thing I read regarding mycotoxin in coffee: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7451391 "study not continued as 70-80% of toxins studied were eliminated in the roasting process)

I've also switched from using a french press to melitta #2 brown filters in a single-serve funnel. The press seemed necessary to get flavor out of the semi-stale stuff you end up with (yes, even at the local roaster that people seem to idolize) but now that I have control over the whole process, this method preserves just enough.

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78 · February 23, 2012 at 12:48 AM

Here is my roundabout confirmation of the benefits of wet-processed coffee. I noticed 30 years ago that regular coffee made the muscles in my neck and back tense. That's when I switched to organic coffee (which, as you may guess, was a bit more difficult to find back then.) My speculation back then was that the chemicals used on regular coffee affected my muscles. Several years ago I noticed that, even though I drank organic coffee, it was disturbing my system in some undefined way, enough for me to consider dropping coffee. Then I tried the (local to me) Goshen coffee. It's what I've been using ever since, except for the occasional disappointing attempt to use another brand. I see there's a thread on Marks Daily Apple forum where the participant called Goshen who said that most of their coffees are wet-processed.

I have tried using pastured organic butter in my coffee, but I can't discern any functional difference between using butter and cream, other than taste. Anybody know why butter would be better than cream, given that cream is used to make butter? (I suppose there's already a thread on that somewhere.)

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263 · June 21, 2012 at 9:49 AM

Oh, and cream has more casein than cultured butter, and less butyrate. Butyrate is why butter makes such a difference.

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263 · June 21, 2012 at 9:47 AM

Google "fish sauce" and "biogenic amine" if you think I'm being disingenuous when I say wet process is spoiled. Histamine in coffee is a major issue.

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2417 · February 23, 2012 at 5:19 AM

Wet processed coffee is largely a regional thing. Central American coffees are often wet. African coffees are often dry processed. You can have world class beans by either process. I dunno. I am not going to stop eating fermented food. I think it's rather unscientific and disingenuous of the bulletproof coffee dude to call regular wet processed coffee "spoiled". Can you say kimchi, cheese, fish sauce, wine, beer, blah blah blah dude? "Spoiled" is an intellectually lazy way of appealing to lazy Americans.

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7660 · February 23, 2012 at 12:13 AM

I'll add to the sentiment here, though most have covered it. After reading his theories, I discovered that my friendly neighborhood roastery carries wet-processed, single-origin coffee and I've been using it at home in our espresso maker for morning lattes (so I'm not doing the whole protocol). About 80% of the time, my morning is brighter, happier, and more productive (gee, aren't I an addict?!). Sometimes, not as much or just less noticeable of a pick-me-up. I attribute this to natural variation in supply.

However. When I consume regular crap coffee? It's bad. Jitters, anxiety, unable to get full thoughts out of my mouth, acid reflux, and a weird empty tummy feeling for the rest of the day no matter how much I eat. These are the reasons I gave up coffee years ago, so as far as I'm concerned, Bulletproof Exec gave me my coffee back. Thank gawd.

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2485 · February 22, 2012 at 10:26 PM

On the one hand, I'm in favor of better quality coffee yes. I find his argument about lower mycotoxin coffee to be compelling. But I can get single origin water processed organic coffee from a high quality local roaster (and by local, I mean across the street from my work) for $6 less per 12oz than he's charging.

But the other side of it, the whole grassfed butter & MCT oil part, he loses me. When I IF I'm perfectly fine drinking straight black coffee. When I've tried grassfed butter in my coffee it seems to trigger more hunger in me than taking it black. And when I'm not IFing, I eat a very nutrient dense breakfast. So personally, I don't see the point in replacing my nutrient dense breakfast with butter filled coffee nor do I see the point in screwing up my IF by throwing calories in my coffee. Especially since I happen to enjoy a good cup of black coffee, and adding butter just adds minutes of fuss to my morning routine (I'm more inclined to IF on mornings I'm running late).

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2485 · February 22, 2012 at 11:25 PM

And by the way by "compelling" I mean that I'm fairly sure mycotoxins aren't great for you, and I wasn't aware they occurred during coffee processing. But knowing about mycotoxins in general I suspect they're not so much "performance robbing" as bad for your liver.

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41442 · February 22, 2012 at 7:19 PM

I call 'hype'. Butter or coconut oil, I want my cream suspended in my coffee, not floating on top.

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20411 · July 06, 2012 at 6:26 PM

@Matt - butter has many uses. As does strawberry jam. (Marlon Brando in Paris...)

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263 · June 21, 2012 at 9:41 AM

Cream has lots more casein than cultured butter and less butyrate, which is why I created BP coffe that way. Cream tastes better but is more inflammatory.

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1804 · February 22, 2012 at 8:31 PM

Yes, as I discovered the hard way - blending is a must or you will have the majority of the butter floating at the top. Makes that last quarter cup pretty hard to handle!

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19220 · February 22, 2012 at 8:28 PM

Magic Bullet sounds like some adult toy.

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1614 · February 22, 2012 at 8:23 PM

a required step to avoid "lipid pools" at top is violent blending via magic bullet or some other device, that'll distribute the creaminess throughout the drink just fine, along with frothy goodness at the top almost latte style.

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10 · June 18, 2013 at 2:29 AM

Just a quick comment on the title of this article: whether there's value in Mr Asprey's Bulletproof methodology is for you to decide after trying it, but the Bulletproof Diet is certainly not a scam. It could only be considered a scam by a reasonable person if Mr Asprey didn't wholeheartedly believe in it to the point of staking his considerable reputation and business on the value it offers the public, to whom it is freely published. And yet he does, which is strong evidence to its legitimacy. Additional evidence is available to anyone with a basic understanding of the principles of psychology, or real scams, who upon reviewing the content in question will immediately determine the authenticity of Mr Asprey's belief in his public works. What this means is that if it offers no value then it doesn't qualify as a scam, but simply as "lame". The many testimonials coming from all over the world, however, suggest otherwise. Of course, the only opinion that really matters is ones own, so why not experiment a little?

I suggest renaming your article "Bulletproof diet: Misguided or Awesome?"

Thanks for a great contribution, your website owns.

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90 · April 24, 2013 at 6:01 PM

I understand Bulletproof coffee to be high-quality coffee + grassfed butter + coconut oil. I tried this today. I can say that it did help in suppressing my very healthy appetite, but mostly because it made me feel rather sick for most of the day.

Regarding the extra energy and clarity of mind, I will say this: I was sick as a dog yesterday with a nasty flu + fever. This morning I decided to have Bulletproof coffee and come to work. I completely forgot about the claims regarding extra energy and clarity. Well, throughout the morning I thought to myself, SEVERAL times: "WOW i haven't felt this sharp in at least 10 years". Was it the extra sleep I got yesterday???? Could be... or it could be the coffee.

Long story short.... I don't think BP coffee requires the marketed Upgraded coffee. Any high quality coffee is fine. In my experience, it does help control hunger via messing up your stomach, and yes it does help with energy levels and brain activity in general.

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10 · February 20, 2013 at 3:25 PM

Here is Dave Asprey's response to claims that his coffee is simply the Guatemalan coffee from Portland Roasters (which doesn't seem to carry the Guatemalan coffee anymore anyway). I wish he gave more detail about his "quality control steps" or about his certainty that "coffee production problems are a major health concern," but anyway, here's what he writes, which you can find here: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread66674.html

"Miss Understood, you're kind of putting words in my mouth. You can get 80% reliability that your coffee is going to make you feel good if you follow the "high grade" algorithm I published on the site. That works because washed coffee is FAR superior to natural process, but Upgraded Coffee is neither - it is entirely unfermented, and the process I designed to create it has a bunch of other quality control steps involved based on the research I did. Upgraded Coffee gives you 100% reliability and costs $2/bag more than Starbucks.

"I am certain that coffee production problems are a major cause of health problems (and performance problems) in people who drink most coffee. I dream of a world where I can get clean coffee everywhere.

"So of course I went to the top ranked roaster to roast my beans. Guatemala is a big coffee producer and Portland has some Guatemalan beans too that will look similar (they are both from Guatemala after all) , but the only place you can get Upgraded Coffee (which is lab tested too btw!) is from me. Plus, you're supporting a member of the community who has never made a cent from selling coffee - everything I've made so far has gone into paying for a team and for more research and writing on the site. It's not overpriced for what it is, and it's unique."

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18 · February 03, 2013 at 2:45 PM

I cannot help but smile sideways at most of the negative comments levelled at Mr. Asprey's suggestions by those who admittedly have not tried out his formulas and/or suggestions. Armchair critics are a dime a dozen and usually have little by way of their own experiences with which to formulate sound judgement. Live. Learn. Try new things and expand your horizons. Otherwise, it might be preferable to remain silent and put one's efforts toward objective understanding rather than rampant lambasting. Be well, beloved monkeys.

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3432 · February 03, 2013 at 3:57 PM

You should see how upset people get when you mention Ferriss at bodybuilding.com... Also not a single one of his critics have attempted his programs.

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70 · January 24, 2013 at 4:45 AM

I tried the coffee and I like it. I can see how people would be skeptical of the bulletproof diet and Dave Asprey's general take on nutrition. I think it's important for us all to be skeptical but I see a passionate guy that has a lot to say. He pretty much turned my world upside-down when I first heard him on the Joe Rogan podcast. But I did a lot of research and decided that trying it for myself was the only way to know... I'll say that he has a very informative podcast with many interesting guests!

By the way, I am blogging about it here: http://bulletproofcoffee.wordpress.com/

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3432 · November 17, 2012 at 1:56 AM

The fresher and less processed your food the better. Coffee, beef, butter, anything. Asprey's set-up does not require anyone to buy his products, it's convenient as he's already done the legwork of tracking down the freshest (if you believe him). I've decided to follow his plan, but have sourced everything out myself. I'm not bothering with MCT oil, just virgin coconut oil. I went with Guatemalen single-source beans from Sweet Maria's. I think they're wet processed, I can't remember if I was able to identify that or not.

Depending on how much volume is lost in roasting, it may be worth it to buy Asprey's product. We'll see.

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10 · November 03, 2012 at 1:05 PM

I have a friend who is a coffee roaster in northern Wisconsin. I've been drinking his coffee via mail order for years. Haven't lived there for a long time, so I only talk to him a couple times a year. But it's a one man operation, with a peanut roaster on the back porch.

I can't speak to the bulletproof concerns, but I can say that Harry's roasts are awesome, and I love supporting a small sole-proprietor business.

Here's a link: http://www.nwcoffeemills.com/

I like darker coffees so usually go for the french roast. I also get a kick out of the traveler blend, which IIRC, is so named because you can walk around the yard with a cup, and if it gets cold, it still tastes good.

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78417 · September 27, 2012 at 5:00 PM

Scam. Like most of that site....

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10 · September 25, 2012 at 11:32 PM

I emailed a roaster about which of their 20 green coffee beans were wet processed and they responded that only one of their beans was dry processed... so in this casea majority of high quality coffee beans are going to be mold free, Daves using the mold for marketing to scare you into buying his coffee. Just find out if your source uses wet processing.

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805 · September 14, 2012 at 3:15 AM

Its a lot cheaper to get it from somewhere else

Sweet Marias seems cool I like it cause they tell you where it was grown, the altitude and whether its wet or dry processed

How to Choose mycotoxin free coffee

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3432 · December 06, 2012 at 11:41 PM

I've been using Sweet Maria's, roasting the beans myself. All you need is a sheet tray & an oven. The only thing that sucks is the wait, but I just need to get the timing down on my orders. Affordable and delicious.

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321 · September 14, 2012 at 2:55 AM

I like BP coffee. I am not sure that coffee itself is the best thing for me in my little adrenal hole, but that's another PH topic.

I think the flavor is perfect, a medium roast, it brews nicely in the aeropress, and whether with the butter/mct or with heavy cream it is darn tasty.

FWIW, I like the salted butter in it. I like salt.

I think Dave is likely the real deal - he makes money off his site. But he states everything upfront, from his history to his supplements to his prejudices. Grounding is weird, but it might have something going for it. Who doesn't feel better after sleeping outside on the earth or after walking around barefoot? Mycotoxins? Yeah that's freaky. There's a lot we don't know and finding the balance between stressing about these things versus doing really positive healthy choices for our life - that's the trick.

I am fine with his endeavors. If we were not allowed to make money from the things we were good at or have knowledge about... WTF.

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321 · January 28, 2013 at 5:37 PM

Yeah.... that adrenal thing. I have the ASI test on my "to do" list. I should really get that bugger done.

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3432 · January 26, 2013 at 1:01 PM

lol... I'm sure it doesn't hurt that salt's delicious...

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3432 · January 26, 2013 at 1:01 PM

You probably like salt because of your adrenal fatigue. Due to the ketosis I dissolve a few rocks of pink Himalayan salt in my mouth every morning to protect adrenals. Also a trick from Asprey.

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17103 · August 12, 2012 at 8:21 PM

I've been doing bulletproof coffee, and tea as well to avoid too much caffeine (green tea + holy basil) for a few months now, gotta say, it's very addictive, and very very good stuff. :)

Kicks me right into ketosis if I drink it 1st thing in the morning and skip breakfast. Has me feeling awesome the whole day.

Recently the Rockerfeller Center Farmer's Market opened up again, and one of the vendors has sweet cream butter from grassfed cows. Totally loving this stuff.

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10 · August 12, 2012 at 4:12 PM

We've been drinking bullet proof coffee for 3 months now. Having studied Sally Fallon, etc, and having had years of celiac, when a friend turned me on to the Bullet Proof coffee, I immediately tried it. It's delicious and powers you for about 6 to 8 hours without the come down after 45 minutes or so from having put sugar in your coffee. I highly recommend this one. We haven't had any other coffee since we started this.

We buy high altitude organic coffee at the local store and haven't bought anything from his site.

The easiest way to find out if something works is to try it, rather than speculate on a forum. ;-)

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25 · June 15, 2012 at 1:31 PM

Anyone know of a comparable (but cheaper) coffee I can order online? I've scavenged coffee-selling sites but frankly I am far from a coffee connoisseur, even taking Dave's advice into account. THANKS! :)

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3432 · January 26, 2013 at 12:53 PM

Sweet Maria's sells single-estate wet-processed coffee beans. I buy them green and roast them in my oven. Delicious. Not sure if they sell roasted beans or not..,

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374 · May 27, 2012 at 12:08 PM

I have no idea whether it is a scam or not, and personally I don't really care. What I do care about is that, using Dave's parameters, I found the best coffee ever at a local roastery. I never understood what people were talking about when they said that if you're drinking good coffee, it shouldn't need sugar. It's true! I blend my coffee with a tsp of butter and a tsp of coconut oil. Tried it with more fat, but just couldn't stomach it. I also eat breakfast, so I don't need it to fast. In general, I am pretty skeptical of Dave, and hearing that he takes thyroid hormones and testosterone, which he fails to mention, makes me even more skeptical. I wouldn't buy his coffee, but I'm grateful that he's educated me a bit about coffee in general!

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263 · June 21, 2012 at 10:00 AM

Thanks T1G. I'm really open that I use low dose testo and thyroid - I had arthritis at 14 years old and was obese for half my life. Would love to get off both, but haven't figured it out (yet). I've spent tens of thousands of my site, and it's helped a lot of people. Guess that's not enough for some people.

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457 · May 27, 2012 at 9:27 PM

He has a whole podcast, where the guest talks about his use of testosterone. Dave openly admits he uses them, because he had extremely low levels at a young age. I do not know Dave personally, but I find the negativity towards the guy, to be appalling. Most of what he sells can be bought separately on amazon. He talks about not using the affiliate links on his site, if you don't want to contribute to him.

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5775 · May 16, 2012 at 3:08 AM

Buying the actual coffee sold on his site isn't the key. If you have a good quality source of coffee, it should be completely fine. Like someone else said, he's done a great job at marketing the idea of MCT fats (MCT or CO) and grass-fed butter blended in the coffee to make money.

It's an idea anyone could have tinkered with he's just found a way to profit from it. I can respect that. It's more about the combo than his actual coffee.

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5775 · June 21, 2012 at 6:02 PM

Don't get me wrong. Upgraded Coffee has given me better results than anything else. With that said, I've really been experimenting with different sources and compared it to UC. My initial point was to tell people that even if you don't use the best-sourced coffee bean, the benefits of the grass-fed butter and MCT fatty acids outweigh not consuming BPC at all.

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263 · June 21, 2012 at 9:56 AM

Think about it: I posted the recipe for butter and MCT in coffee for free a year before I started offering the beans. I only figured out how to source the beans because I was having problems finding beans that always worked to make me feel good. The quality from even high end roasters is variable, and it's processing-related. My beans are $2/bag more than Peet's. They cost more to produce (a lot more) and I've never personally profited a cent from selling coffee - all the money goes back into research, the blog, or sponsoring things like the Silicon Valley Quantified Self group.

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56616 · May 16, 2012 at 3:01 AM

As an upset I have run out of Bulletproof coffee and replaced it with other expensive Intelligensia and Crop to Cup coffee and I feel the same. And the Intelligensia tastes better.

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445 · June 24, 2012 at 12:50 PM

Intelligentsia is Direct Trade. They buy directly from the farmers. Fair Trade is an awful comparison: http://sustainabledev.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/Newevidenceofoldconcerns.pdf

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263 · June 21, 2012 at 9:52 AM

wtf? What is not transparent about my coffee? Do you read my blog? And how is Intelligentsia (great coffee!) more sustainable than my Rainforest Alliance certified beans (RA pays farmers 30% more than Fair Trade)?

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445 · May 16, 2012 at 9:38 AM

yay! And they're more transparent and sustainable.

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457 · May 16, 2012 at 1:21 AM

I noticed coffee always made me feel like crap, after several hours. I figured this was due to, too much caffeine. I, then switched to organic swiss process decaf ( Dave said decaf has the highest concentration of mycotoxins) and still felt like crap. I gave up on coffee and caffeine for a long time. Just recently, I came back to caffeine in the form of 5 hour energy shots. I noticed none of the same crappy feeling that coffee gave me. I found Dave's website and his post on mycotoxins. I put this altogether and realized these mycotoxins are a real threat to performance and need to be avoided. I took the plunge and bought Dave's expensive coffee and wow is all I can say. A profound difference in how I feel after this coffee vs cheap crap. Mycotoxins have been researched for sometime, and the data doesn't look good for those consuming them.

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i agree with melissa.. i just broke a 40 hour fast wiht it.. Oh, man.. amazing! :D

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8 · February 23, 2012 at 4:16 AM

If you want your coffee to taste absolutely wonderful, put it in a powerful blender with your butter & coconut oil. I add cinnamon and blend it high speed for over a minute. You get a frothy layer- like a latte. Delicious!

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525 · February 23, 2012 at 6:23 PM

@Melissa, I use an IKEA milk-frother and it works great - frothy layer and all.

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56616 · February 23, 2012 at 7:10 AM

Why does this not work for me? I guess my immersion blender sucks.

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384 · February 23, 2012 at 2:57 AM

I began incorporating a lot of butter and heavy cream into my diet late last year, and I must say I have been converted to a 'purist'. I have no immediate reaction to dairy, but after months of heavy cream and butter usage my gut just felt 'wrong'. I would say to try this, as many find cream and butter to be fine, but I would also cut it out completely for a few weeks to see if anything changes.

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519 · May 27, 2012 at 3:38 PM

Samesies to Melissa's comment...I had a mini cream addiction that unfortunately had to go away, but I don't miss it too much any more. Butter's good.

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384 · February 23, 2012 at 4:43 PM

Really? That's interesting, but I can't say I ever experienced negative effects from butter. It was only when I started using a carton a week of the cream that I noticed a problem. I may reintroduce butter into my diet at some point, but I want to give it a few more months of no dairy at all to see how things go.

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56616 · February 23, 2012 at 7:03 AM

It's interesting because I find that cream really screws me up, but butter seems to make my gut better.

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I'm new here at Paleohacks, but I when I did a Google search on Bulletproof Coffee, this thread came up. I have been doing this at home with heavy cream and butter. My question is this: I can't afford grassfed right now, but I have had grassfed butter from Kerrygold and it's amazing. So, do I absolutely have to have the grassfed or can I still do it this way for a little while until I can spring for grassfed?

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0 · February 26, 2014 at 12:49 AM

My vote is... Awesome! However, I make mine a little different. I use a good quality locally sourced coffee, add butter, MCT, a big chunk of Himalayan salt, and a teaspoon of sunflower lecithin. Whiz it up in a blender and it's way past amazing. Worth getting out of bed for. PS - I don't know if the low toxin coffee is mandatory. Everyone reading this is subjected to mold every day of your life and you body is equipped to deal with it. It only becomes a problem if (1) you are hyper sensitive or, (2) you can not properly detox or, (3) you get a huge exposure that overwhelms your detox pathways.

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0 · February 24, 2014 at 12:47 AM

Regular coffee has always made me feel unwell a few hours after I drink one. This was dissapointing for me because I like the morning kick. I have quit coffee and all caffiene consumption before but felt sad and just wished I could have a small cup every now and then.

I decided to order a bag of bulletproof beans just to try. I don't use butter, oil or do anything different. I just make a French press coffee with a dash of conventional milk.

I'm very happy to report that I feel well after drinking it.

A lot of people who agree with the Paleo philosophy do so because they believe that to 'eat clean' must be better than the opposite. So in saying that, drinking clean low mycotoxin coffee is simply just sourcing the best quality coffee you can.

Be Well :)

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0 · February 19, 2014 at 5:38 PM

Asprey is simply a well-spoken salesmen who uses just enough science to sell his over-priced products to the gullible “bro’s” out there. I will admit I fell for his spiel and went all in on the “bulletproof coffee”. What happened was my cholesterol shot through the roof at 300+, didn’t lose any weight, and burned my adrenals (pissing all the time, racing heartbeat). Asprey’s weight loss is probably due to the exogenous testosterone and modafinil he takes, not because of his fat-bomb coffee. People are playing with their health listening to his advice because no one knows how it will play out 20-30 years from now. Asprey’s fear of mycotoxins in coffee is completely unfounded (see http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7451391). Let's face it, most of us drank Starbucks the last 20 years with no problems. Maybe 1% of people are affected by the residual mycotoxins left over after roasting. Our body's detox systems are meant to handle it. The same or very similar coffee he sells for $18.95 can be bought from Portland Roasting Coffee for $9.95. If you notice, his blog is just a facade to sell his over-priced items most of which can be bought much cheaper. NOW brand MCT oil is the same as his MCT oil, but comes in a glass jar instead of his plastic bottle (oil should never be sold in a plastic bottle) and is much cheaper than his.

For unbiased health advice, people should read the work of scientists who aren’t hawking products.

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0 · January 31, 2014 at 5:54 PM

Anything that costs that much is a scam IMHO. If you buy a high grade organic coffee and grass fed organic butter and high grade organic coconut oil, you can achieve the same results. I add a teaspoon of butter and a teaspoon of coconut oil to my coffee in a tall, wide jug and use my handheld blender on it for a few minutes to make it frothy. Just don't make the mistake I made one morning and just use the mug to blend it in. Coffee everywhere!

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15 · January 06, 2014 at 4:00 AM

Well, I say just try it. At worst you are out the $18 bucks for a bag of premium coffee. Personally, I have had a lot of trouble with coffee, although I love it. It makes me crash and shake so I had to stop drinking it. I tried a semi-bullet proof version using what I had on hand - coffee that I keep in the freezer and a tablespoon of coconut oil (don't have the expensive MCT stuff yet) plus a little almond milk to make it creamy and some stevia to sweeten it up. I will get myself some grass fed butter this week, but I will tell you this combo (semi-bullet proof) is pretty awesome. No shakiness, great concentration/ability to get things finished and I feel rested at night. So, I am going to get his stuff as soon as I get through the bag I have. I thought his site provided lots of really great information and resources, I don't mind if he makes money with his products. If I like them I will buy them again, if not I won't, nobody is holding a gun to my head!

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17103 · January 19, 2014 at 1:57 PM

Or, you could try it using a high quality organic coffee with coconut oil and a good quality grassfed butter such as Kerrygold, and you'll find it has some very interesting effects over plain old coffee. I certainly find that great beans work much better than the cheaper commercial popular ones in terms of response.

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Mr Upgraded Bullet- Proof is doing the rounds on Podcasts. I tried to post this on Sinularity 1 on 1’s forum, but have been blocked by the moderator. So hopefully people googling his name and “fraud” will be able to read this analysis.

The slick salesman Dave Asprey follows the same script as other scam artists before him. We are told to believe that someone without the credentials of Dietician or Sports Medicine Doc knows more than people who have careers specializing in these disciplines. Show us the data for your outlandish claims (“lost 100 lbs without using calories or exercise”). The disciplines of Sports medicine and Nutrition have peer review journals and invest time and money providing data. The plural of anecdote is anecdotes. It is NOT data.

Dave Asprey is not just some guy promoting good health out of a humanitarian desire. He’s selling a number of dubious supplements on his site. First of all, supplements are not regulated in the US so they are extremely profitable. A recent study found that 30% of supplements tested did not contain ANY of the active ingredient listed on the label. http://www.biomedcentral.com/1741-7015/11/222 What a great way to make money. Sell a high priced container of nothing.

One supplement Dave sells is collagen. Collagen is a long chain protein. It’s the product of an elaborate synthesis process that occurs throughout the body. When we consume collagen, usually in the form of food, the long chain proteins are broken down during digestion to their original amino acids. Only then can they be absorbed. Once absorbed, these amino acids are available as building blocks to support collagen synthesis throughout the body. So from a dietary perspective, your body doesn’t care (and can’t tell) if you ate a collagen supplement, cheese, quinoa, beef, or chick peas — they’re all sources of protein, and indistinguishable by the time they hit the bloodstream. The body doesn’t treat amino acids derived from collagen any differently than any other protein source. For this reason, the idea that collagen supplementation can be is highly implausible, if not impossible in principle.http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/collagen-an-implausible-supplement-for-joint-pain/

Glutathione is not absorbed very well when taken in the oral form. It is largely broken down by enzymes within the intestine. Studies have found that it is not possible to increase the amount of glutathione in your blood by taking it orally. Instead, glutathione must be administered intravenously.

Clicking on a few of the citation links on Dave’s website gives further evidence of fraud. For example, the first one under glutathione links to “Glutathione A critical role of glutathione in determining apoptosis sensitivity and resistance in leukemia cells.” Really? Is this relevant? Are we treating leukemia now?

Another citation under vanilla mistakenly links to “Vanilloid receptor antagonists” which has nothing to do with the flavoring agent vanilla (the transient receptor potential cation channel subfamily V member 1 (TrpV1), also known as the capsaicin receptor and the vanilloid receptor. Actually, an “antagonist” would be an “anti-vanilla”!

Dave even lists a basic biochem textbook listed as a citation! (Biochemistry 3rd edition. San Francisco, Addison Wesly Longmnan, Inc., 2000)

Also listed for sale is $1500 vibration plate. The only placebo-controlled study to date (Delecluse et al. 2003[13]) concluded "specific Whole Body Vibration protocol of 5 weeks had no surplus value upon the conventional training program to improve speed-strength performance in sprint-trained athletes". Therefore there is no clear indication that the vibrations actually do have added value when performing static exercises. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whole_body_vibrationIt is also not clear that the effects of whole body vibration can give similar results as that of regular exercise. In reality, vibration machines are not a replacement for weight loss and healthy living, and those under this impression are at a risk of neglecting their health. A study by Roelants et al. (2004) found that 24 weeks of whole body vibration did “not reduce weight, total body fat or subcutaneous fat in previously untrained females.” You can get a vibration plate (with handles) for $250 on Amazon.

The Mediterranean Diet is the diet with the science to back up the claims. Others have tried Dave’s dietary recommendations and seen tremendous jumps in their cholesterol levels. (Cholesterol up 70 points http://dangerandplay.com/2013/10/02/dave-asprey-bulletproof-coffee-executive/)

Here’s a good take down on the “upgraded” coffee http://coffeegeek.com/forums/coffee/general/630128 This study found that roasting coffee beans destroys 70-80% of any mycotoxins. data showing 70--80% destruction by the roasting process of toxin s http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7451391

Any why do we need to use Miraculous butter in our coffee instead of some good old cream?

David credits it to his physique to his "Bulletproof Diet", but fails to mention that he's on Testosterone and Provigil/Nuvigil. Do an internet search, and you’ll also find allegations of HGH use. These adjuncts are not advisable for individuals without a medical indication. Is this really how he spent the $300,000? Without the data, we’re left to speculate.http://paleohacks.com/questions/111856/bulletproof-coffee-scam-or-awesome.html

Do you really believe the claim that there’s 100 of the magical muscle stimulation machines, and that none are for sale? Gee, there should be sufficient incentive for someone to market a product that allows health benefits for only 15 minutes a week.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Show us the data. Prove that humans don’t need exercise and can eat 4000 calories a day. Why aren’t dietary scientists concerned about mycotoxins in our food supply? Linking to Google searches which contain keyword products you are selling does not qualify as evidence. For someone who claims to be “bullet proof”, it’s not hard to poke holes in the claims.

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0 · February 25, 2014 at 2:50 AM

Completely agree. Also, people waste money buying gelatin made from grass fed cows. Bones are bones and like you said your body doesn't care if the amino acids came from grass fed cows or corn fed cows. An amino acid is an amino acid. Grass fed beef on the other hand obviously is superior.

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17103 · January 19, 2014 at 1:52 PM

It's good to be skeptical, you could always try things for yourself to see if they work or not. It's nice that you point to a paper claiming 30% of supplement don't have what they say on them, but you're trying to imply the stuff he sells falls under this category, where's the evidence that this is so? Also cholesterol - a required repair mechanism and produced by every cell in the body and required for hormone creation, is not correlated to CVD, never really was - that's a claim to sell statins.

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17103 · January 19, 2014 at 1:47 PM

The other issue is that quinoa, and chick peas may have identical amino acids to other foods, but they also contain problematic anti-nutrients such as saponins, which is why they aren't "allowed" on a paleo diet.

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17103 · January 19, 2014 at 1:45 PM

Um, there are forms of glutathione that are absorbed and survive digestion - liposomal glutathione for example. I don't disagree or agree with the rest - personally I just use the best organic coffee beans I can find, along with Kerrygold grassfed butter and coconut oil instead of MCT oil and get quite a kick out of it. I think the point is, he's on a 4000 calorie diet and losing fat, at minimum it's proof that the calories-in-calories-out theory is flawed.

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0 · October 22, 2013 at 1:38 PM

In my own experience, I have found that drinking commercially available coffee, such as 'Starbucks', leaves me feeling jittery, especially after drinking it in large quantities. If I drink coffee on an empty stomach, the first thing in the morning, I often suffer from an energy crash a few hours later. I have tried the 'Bulletproof Coffee' recipe for two weeks and have found that it satisfies my appetite well into the afternoon and I have not yet experienced a similar type of crash. I cannot be certain of whether this is due to the difference in quality of the coffee beans or the recipe itself, with the addition of grass-fed butter and MCT oil, but I have noticed a difference in my level of energy and focus.

With regards to mycotoxins polluting our sources of coffee, I believe there may be a slightly different perspective on its harmfulness. I have had a curiosity about fungi and mycology for a few years and have done a few experiments with various fungal species. The metabolic process of fungi relies on a nutritious substrate which it grows through and slowly digests. Mycelium is the vegetative part of a fungus and mushrooms are its fruiting bodies that sprout from the mycelium under the proper conditions. I have experimented with growing a strain of Oyster Mushrooms, Pleurotus Ostreatus, on various substrates and read that they crave caffeine. I was able to successfully propagate the Oyster mycelium on leftover organic coffee grounds from a local restaurant, but was unsuccessful at growing them on coffee grounds from 'Starbucks'. In my experience, strains of mycelium have difficulty "leaping onto" or transferring onto a substrate if other species of fungi or bacteria are already present. This is why mushroom growers pasteurize or sterilize their substrate beforehand to avoid contamination and to eliminate competitor microorganisms. Mycotoxins can act as a neurotoxin if digested. Mycotoxins are the enzymes that mycelium secretes to help breakdown the substrate and metabolize it. These enzymes have powerful denaturing capabilities and can disassemble the carbon-hydrogen bonds found in diesel and petroleum waste. Lignin peroxidase is the enzyme in Oyster mushrooms that breaks down organic tree matter. If these enzymes have the capability of breaking down dense organic matter such as tree stumps or chemically harmful toxins like petrol, would you want to have these enzymes in your daily cup of coffee, or would you rather buy coffee from a source that works to minimize the presence of these enzymes at each step of the process? Personally, I would rather buy coffee from a source that acknowledges the risk of the potential growth of mold, whether they are affiliated with Dave Asprey or not. If anyone is interested in finding out how attractive coffee is to various fungal species, you can do a simple experiment. The next time you make a cup of coffee at home, leave the coffee grounds in the coffee maker, or on the counter, for a few days and wait to see how longs it take for mold to grow on it.

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0 · October 22, 2013 at 1:33 PM

In my own experience, I have found that drinking commercially available coffee, such as 'Starbucks', leaves me feeling jittery, especially after drinking it in large quantities. If I drink coffee on an empty stomach, the first thing in the morning, I often suffer from an energy crash a few hours later. I have tried the 'Bulletproof Coffee' recipe for two weeks and have found that it satisfies my appetite well into the afternoon and I have not yet experienced a similar type of crash. I cannot be certain of whether this is due to the difference in quality of the coffee beans or the recipe itself, with the addition of grass-fed butter and MCT oil, but I have noticed a difference in my level of energy and focus.

With regards to mycotoxins polluting our sources of coffee, I believe there may be a slightly different perspective on its harmfulness. I have had a curiosity about fungi and mycology for a few years and have done a few experiments with various fungal species. The metabolic process of fungi relies on a nutritious substrate which it grows through and slowly digests. Mycelium is the vegetative part of a fungus and mushrooms are its fruiting bodies that sprout from the mycelium under the proper conditions. I have experimented with growing a strain of Oyster Mushrooms, Pleurotus Ostreatus, on various substrates and read that they crave caffeine. I was able to successfully propagate the Oyster mycelium on leftover organic coffee grounds from a local restaurant, but was unsuccessful at growing them on coffee grounds from 'Starbucks'. In my experience, strains of mycelium have difficulty "leaping onto" or transferring onto a substrate if other species of fungi or bacteria are already present. This is why mushroom growers pasteurize or sterilize their substrate beforehand to avoid contamination and to eliminate competitor microorganisms.

Mycotoxins can act as a neurotoxin if digested. Mycotoxins are the enzymes that mycelium secretes to help breakdown the substrate and metabolize it. These enzymes have powerful denaturing capabilities and can disassemble the carbon-hydrogen bonds found in diesel and petroleum waste. Lignin peroxidase is the enzyme in Oyster mushrooms that breaks down organic tree matter.

If these enzymes have the capability of breaking down dense organic matter such as tree stumps or chemically harmful toxins like petrol, would you want to have these enzymes in your daily cup of coffee, or would you rather buy coffee from a source that works to minimize the presence of these enzymes at each step of the process? I would rather buy coffee from a source that acknowledges the risk of the potential growth of mold, whether they are affiliated with Dave Asprey or not. If anyone is interested in finding out how attractive coffee is to various fungal species, you can do a simple experiment. The next time you make a cup of coffee at home, leave the coffee grounds in the coffee maker, or on the counter for a few days and wait to see how longs it take for mold to grow on it.

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0 · April 26, 2013 at 6:04 PM

I want to comment on a previous comment and cant figure out how

1mantruthsquad Why do you believe the Portaland Roasting company-Heuhuetenango Guatemalan coffee is the bulletproof coffee? I went to their website and they have a big photo of dry roasting coffee in the sun. Isn't this exactly what he is saying causes the mold?

I was searching for the bulletproof coffee farm in Guatemala for about when I found your comment. I want to identify the farm.

Confused

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One of the only free documents I could find on toxins in coffee:

Ochratoxin A in Roasted Coffee from French Supermarkets and Transfer in Coffee Beverages: Comparison of Analysis Methods:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3153291/

"Thus, the intake of a high coffee consumer who drinks 640 mL of coffee (1 bowl of 300 mL at breakfast; 1 cup of 85 mL at 10 o’clock; 1 cup after lunch; 1 cup in the afternoon; 1 cup after dinner) will reach 530 ng. For a human weighing 60 kg, this intake via coffee corresponds to half of the tolerable daily intake of OTA established by JECFA (joint expert committee of Food and Additives) [43]. This intake of 530 ng is six times higher than the virtual safety dose (VSD) (1.5 ng/kg bw/day) established on the kidney tumors [44]! If we make the same calculation using the average OTA content (1.5 µg/kg) found in the coffee, the amount of OTA in a bowl is 31 ng; and in a cup of expresso 8.8 ng. Thus a heavy consumer will have a daily intake of 66.2 ng/day equivalent to 1.1 ng/kg bw/day, which is close to the VSD. It should be kept in mind that excessive coffee consumption (more than three cups a day) was implicated in upper tract transitional cell carcinoma and bladder cancer [45,46]. The risk is higher for heavy coffee drinkers carrying the genotype GSTP1 105–104 val. [47] and can be explained by the fact that glutathione conjugation is involved in the biotransformation of OTA into genotoxic and carcinogenic products [48,49,50] leading to DNA adducts [51,52]. As the percentage of OTA passing through the beverage depends on the origin and the roasting process of coffee, the intake evaluation should be done on the amount of OTA found in the beverage. A simple method to evaluate the amount of OTA in coffee could be to extract OTA with hot water. This extract could then be directly used on the IAC column. "

The [45] and [46] references in the above study led to these documents:

Alcohol, coffee, and bladder cancer risk: ... [Eur J Cancer Prev. 2009] - PubMed - NCBI - http://1.usa.gov/13nx2Of

Coffee consumption and bladder cancer ... [Cancer Causes Control. 2000] - PubMed - NCBI - http://1.usa.gov/13nxDzh

Basically, you are safe if you drink under 10 cups a day. Now all this said, bulletproof style coffee is great in my opinion. The toxin in coffee thing is a real deal. These people (in Europe) are testing for some types and have set "content" limits already. So if Dave is doing his own testing, good on him. Everybody else is unconcerned in America I guess?

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1021 · February 20, 2013 at 8:43 PM

its a scam, and anyone who buys it is a tool

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1021 · February 28, 2013 at 7:55 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial

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1021 · February 28, 2013 at 7:54 PM

denial: not just a river in africa

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3432 · February 28, 2013 at 2:09 PM

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignorance

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2407 · January 24, 2013 at 5:52 AM

Fast. Or eat. That's my opinion. Dumping a bunch of calories in your coffee seems silly. It's not magic. I enjoy clean coffee like many do. Does anyone REALLY enjoy a ton of butter fat in their coffee? Or are they just on some bandwagon that justifies their desire to eat when they are supposed to be fasting (because fasting is what they say they are trying to do)?

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3432 · February 28, 2013 at 6:56 PM

They're not legumes. They're berries.

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10176 · February 21, 2013 at 12:40 AM

And aren't coffee beans vaguely legumes? And isn't ketosis just Atkins dieting? And isn't dairy a problem anymore? Oh horrors! So many reasons to avoid it!

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3432 · January 26, 2013 at 12:57 PM

It's delicious. The fat enables ketosis. Technically not fasting. You're right about that. Congrats.

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1013 · December 06, 2012 at 11:28 PM

For me the magic of bulletproof coffee is the idea of blending fat into a warm beverage. Others may have suggested it but Dave Asprey really hit it home for me. I blend up a tea + butter + coconut oil concoction ever morning and drink it from a thermos during the day. This makes the macros I'm trying to hit for ketosis/weight loss so much easier. It also saves me me money and time.

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222 · December 06, 2012 at 6:20 PM

Dave Asprey turned me on to the therapeutic uses of HRV and breathing techniques (although I had already been using HRV to track workout recovery) and I definitely owe him for this. Also, Tim Ferris's new book is whole bunches of fun.

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1232 · December 06, 2012 at 10:35 AM

Will this work if I only use coconut oil and no butter in the coffee?

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3432 · December 06, 2012 at 11:22 AM

Try it... not sure if it's a company deal, but Kerrygold's been on sale 2.99 a brick around here. Kept with the cheeses.

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30 · December 06, 2012 at 9:04 AM

Don't use butter. Use Ghee, it's much better and it's like butter concentrate. Properly prepared ghee (or high quality ghee) contains up to 97% of pure and clean butter fat. Of course the best ghee is made from grass feed butter.

You may not get that creamy effect in your coffee after blending it with Ghee, but you will surely get superior product. Ghee is healthier because has no milk proteins (casein) and probably no opioids which make many people dumb (milk, cream and cheese all have opioids).

Opioids is stuff in mammalian milk which makes infants come back for more. That's why many people can't stop drinking heavy cream, even if they are full.

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78417 · November 27, 2012 at 6:13 PM

I hate it. I prefer organo told. have ull heard of it?? http://mycapturepage.com/cp23.php?id=470

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105 · September 27, 2012 at 3:33 PM

Tried this a couple of times last week. Used regular coffee because the apartment complex we live in offers freshly brewed Starbucks coffee around the clock. I know, quite a perk. We've been living here three years and the coffee pot was scrapped a year or so ago, as it was just collecting dust.

I did 16 ounces of coffee with 1 TBSP of Kerrygold and 1 TBSP coconut oil. I did this three times. I was still hungry an hour or so later.

My MCT oil just arrived...I want to give this another try. When I use the BPC concoction, I want to be able to not eat anything until my lunch meal. If I can get that to happen, I will invest in the Upgraded coffee and a proper brewing mechanism. So, has anyone found that you really do need 2 TBSP of the Kerrygold and 1 TBSP of the MCT in order to ward off hunger? I know the true recipe calls for 2/3rds of a stick of Kerrygold or something like that, but my current goal is weight loss. I don't want to be ingesting additional calories. My current breakfast is 426 calories (approximated by a food logging site).

Any thoughts?

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2688 · November 03, 2012 at 3:07 PM

I've used anywhere from 1 tbsp butter and 2 tbsp MCT oil. But now I've determined that 4 tbsp butter and 3 tbsp MCT oil lets me not eat until dinner. I'm doing 1 solid meal a day so this works great for me. Absolutely NO energy fade through the day and my brain works like it did when I was 20 (Im 50 now). Warning - work up to this level of fat or you may experience aggressive bowel emptying.

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78417 · August 12, 2012 at 10:45 PM

The recipe is fine but the magic coffee is bull. I honestly feel like he sells way to much novelty crap to be taken seriously.

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14877 · August 12, 2012 at 4:18 PM

Are you serious? SCAM!

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1578 · May 16, 2012 at 1:47 AM

Wait, so if I put my coffee beans in my magic bullet with some butter then put the buttered grinds on my coffee maker (old school drip) I get a latte???

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1578 · May 17, 2012 at 1:17 AM

Lol I'm seriously gonna try this.

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17103 · May 16, 2012 at 3:37 PM

You really should add "Trolololololo..." at the end incase some poor n00b goes out and actually tries it.

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110 · March 06, 2012 at 2:17 PM

In my own experience, my cholesterol jumped when I started consuming bulletproof coffee (66 points! in 1 month!). Other relevant lifestyle changes included beginning calcium-d-glucarate supplementation, a slight decrease in workout intensity, and changing fish oil brand to Green Pastures. I find the bulletproof coffee to be the most likely culprit, though I haven't ruled out calcium d-glucarate or a this being a temporary spike as my body fights inflammation. I will retest to insure accuracy on these numbers, but I would (gasp!) consider keeping an eye on cholesterol for a while with BP Coffee, if you are at all concerned about cholesterol. And of course, perhaps I'm idiosyncratic in my response to BP coffee and these concerns may not apply to you after all.

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321 · January 28, 2013 at 5:41 PM

Knowing your before and after cholesterol DETAILS would be more telling. You could have had something actually negative happen, like go from 250 to 316 with a big spike in triglycerides.... or, you could have had the number go from 180 to 246 and a spike in GOOD cholesterol. Based on the biochemistry, the latter is more likely for most folks.

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5775 · August 12, 2012 at 7:59 PM

A jump in Cholesterol isn't unique. Anytime you add in more MCT's (either Coconut Oil, or especially pure MCT Oil) you will see this. This is definitely the case if you go from very little or zero MCT-containing fats to BPC. Then again, total Cholesterol is absolutely meaningless, as it well-documented.

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340 · June 15, 2012 at 2:16 PM

Isn't that due to the FRench press thang?

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4218 · March 02, 2012 at 5:02 PM

I use my one-cup espresso machine to make my americanos. When I make it bulletproof, I use the steamer to really work the butter into the coffee, plus it makes a nice foam. I understand from a Tibetan source that the film of butter on top of yak butter tea actually works to coat the lips and prevents chapping in high-altitude cold climates. I have to say it's working great for me here in wintery Massachusetts.

I do just fine with my Peets mocha java, I haven't tried the magic beans.

He's dead on regarding salted butter, though, yick. I'm using Danish grassfed unsalted with great results.

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656 · August 12, 2012 at 11:25 PM

Wow. For a way of eating that supposedly provides you with all the energy you could ever need, you paleo peeps are WAY dependent on your coffee, aren't you? This thread is like meth-heads discussing different cooking techniques...lol...

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17103 · January 19, 2014 at 1:54 PM

As you can tell we also use computers, or handheld devices to get on the internets, yeah, that's right, it's not a historical re-enacment. Rather, we use what works and isn't harmful - there's plenty of studies that show that like any other nutrient, or vitamin, coffee (not just caffeine) has a U shaped curve where there are benefits on one side, and harm on the other. Oh, and we also wear cotton underwear, which cavemen never did.

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10176 · February 21, 2013 at 12:44 AM

Most Paleos use crutches like this to avoid going outside and actually ACTING like paleos.

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656 · August 13, 2012 at 1:24 AM

But it's true. Glucose-deprived paleo dieters need all the stimulants they can get.

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3870 · August 12, 2012 at 11:31 PM

Way to overreach in your attempt at humor. Thumbs up for the **clever** fellow.

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