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by 2904 · about 3 hours ago

Generally the farms where the farmers are killing their own stuff, are the grass-fed, organic pastures, yuppie-loved farmers. Does the traditional, agricultural CAFO farming model kill more animals than the grass-fed, organic meat industry? In... (more)

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PrairieProf 0 · December 01, 2012 at 7:27 PM

I assume industrial farming of grains, soy, etc. does kill more animals. And removes a sustainable habitat for many more. Of course a complicating issue is that it doesn't involve the charismatic domestic megafauna like cows that vegetarians... (more)

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by 2029 · about 3 hours ago

Thankfully I don't have to make this sort of decision, but I know many people whose resources for meat are limited to the local Walmart. In this particular store, the options are limited to beef, pork, chicken, turkey, and fish. All CAFO, and no... (more)

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Jay_15 0 · September 26, 2012 at 11:07 PM

WalMart has liver so I'm going to over rule your no offal rule ;)......Liver. The toxic load is no more (or barely more) than what is found in other areas of the animal, but with a substantially larger dose of beneficial nutrients. If not that... (more)

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by 304 · about 3 hours ago

Frankensteer (2005) is a documentary about the Canadian beef industry that I discovered last night on Netflix. It's truly disturbing. It discusses the use of hormones and antibiotics in cattle, and even gets into some of the government debates... (more)

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Dragonfly 0 · June 22, 2012 at 2:10 PM

I haven't seen this particular movie, but the practices are standard in CAFO in the US and you can see more of them in the movie FRESH. Or sign up for "animal husbandry" classes at any ag school. (I got my degree in agronomy from one.) I was... (more)

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by 2422 · about 3 hours ago

I live in Cincinnati, OH and it's really hard to find grassfed beef around here unless you are a CSA member. Whole Foods here does have grassfed beef, but I am looking for something more local. I was at a local meat market today and they were... (more)

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SarahH 0 · May 06, 2012 at 1:12 AM

I raise my own rabbits, and most feeds found at farming/feed stores are primarily hay (and some grains/veggies). Rabbits do have fat, but it's on the skin. You'd have to request that and render it for food usage. My rabbits are on an organic... (more)

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by 20 · about 3 hours ago

I've been doing paleo for a few months now and cut out all grains, dairy, sugar, junk oils and have seen HUGE improvements in my skin, health, hair etc. But I still have been eating the supermarket grain fed hormone beef. ( all I can get at the... (more)

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Shari_Bambino 0 · March 28, 2012 at 12:06 PM

It sounds like you're doing great John. Keep up the good work. To answer your question we have had at least 16 related discussions (if you haven't had a chance to look) but I think the general consensus is that they are indeed a problem that... (more)

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by 32518 · about 3 hours ago

So lots of threads on this site about whether it is OK to eat CAFO meat for budgetary reasons and what to do if that's all you can afford. My question is simply, if we are telling people to eliminate the NADs (neolithic agents of disease):... (more)

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Matt_11 0 · March 02, 2012 at 6:42 PM

Of course it's not. But when it comes down to paleo with CAFO meat vs SAD with CAFO meat, the choice is obvious. Don't let perfection get in the way of improvement. EDIT: I see the question has been modified a bit. Though I don't think my answer... (more)

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by 1683 · about 3 hours ago

Hey all! So I am currently out of work and living off my student loans, and let me tell you it is SUPER easy to go over budget on Paleo. When it comes to my meats I can no longer afford strictly grass-fed beef....the only place I can get it costs... (more)

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wildwabbit 0 · February 12, 2012 at 4:34 AM

If you can't afford grass-fed beef, don't sweat it, because who really can? Go with the highest quality you CAN afford. If all you can afford is standard store-bought grain-fed beef, then go with that, its still better than the alternative. I... (more)

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by 1037 · about 3 hours ago

After learning about the benefits of eating beef liver from various Paleo websites, I have been doing that once a week for a few months now. However, the one health food store I have access to that sold non-CAFO beef liver stopped selling it for... (more)

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Rhubarb 0 · December 16, 2011 at 9:17 PM

You've probably come across this article by Mark Sission, Does the Liver Store Toxins?, but it's a great overview of the issue you haven't. It would appear in most cases the liver doesn't contain many more toxins than lean muscle meat, and some... (more)

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by 4086 · about 3 hours ago

Day by day, I am becoming a person who shuns restaurants and when dining out is unavoidable I am considering becoming a "restaurant vegan". I am becoming more edified in my belief that human consumption of CAFO/IRAF animals is ethically wrong and... (more)

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Bread_Eating_Beelzebub 0 · February 04, 2011 at 10:18 PM

If you order lamb there is a 75% chance it's imported and thus not CAFO since the major exporter of lamb is New Zealand, which pastures its lamb. Either way, for future reference based on my agricultural experience, here are the most wretched... (more)

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by 20787 · about 3 hours ago

I heard recently that perhaps current CAFO beef feeding operations that are often blamed for salmonella poisoning, not because cows spread salmonella, but most because cornfed cows spread salmonella. The acidification of their stomachs from all... (more)

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Bill1102inf 0 · April 28, 2012 at 11:55 AM

Beef is contaminated POST SLAUGHTER, Salmonella is an intestinal tract, then blood borne illness. Once blood borne things are going down hill VERY fast in either human or beast. If you get food poisoning from contaminated meat it most likely was... (more)

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by 1655 · about 3 hours ago

I live in Argentina. Here, chickens are given tons of hormones (so I don't eat them); however, cattle are (by law) never given any hormones, so they're fully natural (and mostly grass fed!), so I eat lots of beef. However: I love eggs, and eggs... (more)

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Luming_Zhou 0 · October 19, 2010 at 5:32 AM

Think of a similar question: Are hormones given to cows affect their milk? Are the pesticides and antibiotics given to cows affect their milk? Of course they are also found in milk. Milk is produced from nutrients from their blood. And in fact,... (more)

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by 821 · about 3 hours ago

Where I live (Israel), I can get either local beef from relatively small (very small, by US standards) CAFO-style operations, with "veterinary supervision" (that's what it says on the package, as if its a selling point!), or totally natural... (more)

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Girl_Gone_Primal 0 · July 18, 2010 at 5:22 AM

First - I would prioritise your own health. Then - I would import pastured beef since the 'evil-factor' of importing vs CAFO balance out for me, whereas supporting CAFO encourages the growth of that industry whilst also being detrimental to your... (more)

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by 13983 · about 3 hours ago

Are pastured eggs more paleo? Is there really a nutritional difference between pastured eggs vs free-range/organic eggs vs regular eggs? Are CAFO eggs really nutritionally bankrupt? I'm curious what the general consensus is in the paleo... (more)

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bryceb 0 · February 17, 2010 at 12:08 AM

I think that anytime an animal has access to it's natural food source, the end result is going to be healthier. Here is a post from Whole Health Source on the subject: http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2009/05/pastured-eggs.html Vitamin... (more)

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by 1689 · October 24, 2014 at 3:39 AM

If a CAFO animal, like a cow, were to show up at their Cow-doctor, would that cow be diagnosed as sick? I hear that all CAFO cows are obese, so i guess the question is a matter of 'How sick'? What sickness plagues CAFO animals the most? What... (more)

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Touch_the_Clouds 0 · October 31, 2011 at 5:19 AM

I want to say yes although apparently most cattle are slaughtered at less than 30 months (link). So they may not live long enough to fully develop the diseases they way many people do. It might be like the equivalent of a really unhealthy... (more)

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by 0 · October 23, 2014 at 4:14 AM

hi, i'm from Malaysia and started going paleo. However, the problem is, i can't find any grass-fed cows' fat, bones, organs. The only grass-fed beef here is lean meat, no fats whatsoever. This is because the meat is imported, so i guess they only... (more)

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by 2302 · October 23, 2014 at 4:03 AM

If I am out to eat and I am choosing between conventional chicken eggs or conventional chicken breast as my protein, which would contain less "bad stuff" from conventional feeding, raising, etc? I am thinking a white meat chicken breast would be... (more)

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by 1614 · October 23, 2014 at 3:37 AM

I'm pondering the health pros and cons of either 1) paleo with conventional meat/farmed fish, or 2) vegetarianism that excludes grains/seed oils/processed foods but includes traditionally prepared legumes, pastured eggs, and organic dairy... (more)

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Sunny_Beaches 0 · April 26, 2012 at 9:37 PM

Should the shortage be made up with farmed fish, traditionally prepared legumes, CAFO meat? Your diet can be fine without wild fish. If I had to choose between CAFO meat, legumes, or farmed fish, I'd go with farmed rainbow trout and farmed... (more)

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by 5002 · October 23, 2014 at 3:12 AM

The short answer is obviously No. However, I want to see what people think about a McDonalds hack that I've been implementing. I order 3 McDoubles plain (ie no sauce) and only eat the cheese and meat, which sums to 3 slices of cheese and 6... (more)

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Riveted 0 · May 03, 2011 at 1:52 AM

Ha! You just described my "Damn I didn't bring enough food to work, I'm starving, and have $5 in my wallet" meal. I order 3 double burgers, plain, no cheese and throw the buns away. I do this after the gym maybe twice a month. Is it paleo? It... (more)

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by 1614 · October 20, 2014 at 3:28 AM

So I came across some very very low priced beef heart in a local market, though not a chance it's anything but CAFO meat. My idea was to indulge in this meaty delight as a cheap and thus abundant source of animal protein in lieu of pricier steaks... (more)

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OddBallin 0 · January 25, 2012 at 11:34 PM

It's safe as milk. (Sorry, I had to.) The heart is simply a muscle, so my first reaction is to just treat as any other CAFO meat and cut away the fat. I know it's high in selenium, phosphorus, zinc, and a few other good things, but I'm not aware... (more)

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by 547 · October 20, 2014 at 3:12 AM

I completely agree on spending money on high-quality foods therefore splurging on grass-fed and organic meats. BUT, say one had to choose the healthiest and least toxin/antibiotic residue conventional meat, which would it be? You know how the... (more)

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Bread_Eating_Beelzebub 0 · March 26, 2011 at 4:08 PM

Here is my list of meat ranked best to worst I think lamb, goat, and beef are decent choices even if from feedlots. They aren't there their entire lives and often goat is entirely grassfed because there aren't many feedlots that finish it. (more)

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by 15976 · October 20, 2014 at 3:05 AM

hey, if anyone gets barardi's emails they will have already seen this but since some of us spend a good chunk of time talking about grass-fed beef, cafo beef, etc i thought posting this would be... (more)

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Glenn 0 · June 24, 2010 at 10:40 PM

Seeing something first-hand is great, but the fact that someone has "been there" doesn't trump all other factors. I've never been to North Korea, but I know I would not want to live there. I agree with Stephen-Aegis that the nutritional... (more)

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by 6709 · October 19, 2014 at 3:33 AM

I have humbly looked over my diet over the last year and came to the conclusion that much of that time I was not really eating 'Paleo'. I was drinking 'heavy cream' with coffee every day, sometime 2x a day, and I didn't go light on it. It was... (more)

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CR 0 · January 28, 2012 at 2:30 AM

I think 100% bible Paleo is BS. We may not have evolved to eat a lot of the crap but honestly this is all about getting the most out of life. What % more of optimal health is it by having that heavy cream vs the OPTIMAL? really at the end of the... (more)

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by 892 · October 19, 2014 at 3:21 AM

I recall there being a question about this, but I can't seem to locate it. Anyway, there have been a lot of studies recently claiming "red meat causes X", and people typically like to refute it with "grassfed beef is different." However, I'm... (more)

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Eric_12 0 · August 29, 2011 at 4:04 AM

When the meat quality is low.. Eat lean meats and supplement with fat from other sources.

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by 1363 · October 16, 2014 at 3:55 AM

Main Question: Anyone switch from grain to grass-fed meat and notice big health benefits? Why I am asking: Been "paleo" for going on 3 years, finally can afford it and considering the switch. Will cost another 2000+/year for my situation (I've... (more)

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jake_16 0 · March 17, 2013 at 4:06 PM

honestly? no, not at all! the ethical arguments hold sway for me, but the health benefits are definitely what i'd consider marginal. i eat seafood, i'm not dying for the omegas. the CLA is nice, in theory, but practical difference? none.

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