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Kevin Ware breaks his leg. Is it low bone density? How do we prevent this with diet?

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Created April 01, 2013 at 4:20 AM

Kevin Ware is a basketball player playing in the NCAA right now. News is spreading of how he broke his leg today. It is one of the most gruesome injuries I have ever seen in basketball.

How can we prevent injuries like this with better diet? And is there any way to know if we are at risk of bone fractures before they actually happen? Kevin's injury looks like he simply landed poorly, but for his leg to crumple like that is simply ridiculous, and suggests that he might have had low bone density. If he could of had an x-ray done a couple years ago, would the doctor have noticed something wrong? Then, with proper diet, could he have increased his bone density or resiliency to prevent this?

Here is a video of the injury during the game. Looks like a fracture of both the fibula and tibula around the middle of both bones. Although you can't see from the video, people say it was also a compound fracture (skin punctured).

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0 · April 02, 2013 at 5:08 AM

Motherfuckin ouch man!

6d64cd6dc98d6ab763bd03678a317964
0 · April 02, 2013 at 5:05 AM

WHOA!!! Wait a minute... Travis says to quit whining and grow some balls?...AS HE DELETES PG13 "gore" content? HAHAHA. The fucking irony! Its a real world out their man, full of blood, guts, and uppercuts. Why don't you grow a pair or are you the type who faints on the killing floor?

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0 · April 02, 2013 at 3:19 AM

Here's some more info from The Jaminets - http://perfecthealthdiet.com/category/nutrients/vitamin-k2/

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce
0 · April 02, 2013 at 1:10 AM

I'm done. Dude's obviously got some issues. I think I was more surprised he'd handle himself that way than anything.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7
0 · April 02, 2013 at 1:01 AM

I'm not a moderator. But if you really want to escalate it, email Patrik. I really don't see it helping anything though.

F4a6fc9f0b701e12cdf2ad5dadaeb2dd
0 · April 02, 2013 at 12:49 AM

This is stupid.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce
0 · April 02, 2013 at 12:42 AM

Never mind, I thought you were a moderator.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce
0 · April 02, 2013 at 12:41 AM

It would seem as though Patrik has obligated you to address that through the very quote you just posted, no?

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce
0 · April 02, 2013 at 12:38 AM

Alright, so how about Travis' *blatantly* overt antisocial behavior, in clear violation of specific, *listed* rules of conduct?

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0 · April 02, 2013 at 12:27 AM

@kashkillz - from Patrik Broadly, I moderate & manage PaleoHacks by the Broken Windows Theory. Which means that I will not tolerate seemingly minor anti-social behavior as it might encourage seriously bad behavior. - so basically Patrik has given the mods the ability to use their best judgement. Arguing with them is unlikely to get you anywhere.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce
0 · April 02, 2013 at 12:06 AM

Hey, look... more "helping people out and keeping trolls in line..." excellent mod work, Mr Culp. Not sure what baggage you're bringing into this, but it's fairly obvious to anyone who can read that nobody here is the source of your vitriol. Who hurt you?

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0 · April 01, 2013 at 11:53 PM

Oh look, Matt's whining like a middle school girl. Sadly, this is nothing new. And Kash is still a sobbing baby. Feel free to grow into men at any point, fellas.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab
0 · April 01, 2013 at 11:47 PM

Wakaanai- I have no idea, since absorption seems to vary from person to person. Magnesium blood levels seem to be worthless--check this out: http://www.easy-immune-health.com/magnesium-level.html

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab
0 · April 01, 2013 at 11:45 PM

Definitely, Travis! Replied in a hurry--my bad.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce
0 · April 01, 2013 at 11:38 PM

Well, I did find the guidelines for "Conduct on Site". Ironically, the *only* violations in this thread are comments made by mod Travis Culp. NOT the video & image he deleted, nothing posted by myself... he stands alone. Out of line from beginning to end. Funny way to "help people out and keep trolls in line..."

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0 · April 01, 2013 at 9:53 PM

No point arguing with moderators, Kashkillz. You simply won't ever be part of the cool kids clique... as Travis obviously is. (Funny he makes the comment about posting about you suffering traumatic brain injury, Travis recently came back to PH and seems to have suffered a personality change in his away time.)

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce
0 · April 01, 2013 at 9:16 PM

I am not the troll here. Your behavior toward me has been in direct violation of this site's terms of conduct. And with the nerve to threaten to ban *my* account, unprovoked.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce
0 · April 01, 2013 at 9:14 PM

Travis, how do I 'take it up with the mods' as you've suggested?

5bd7f43c7da83282bcb78e3aa33832e0
0 · April 01, 2013 at 9:07 PM

**by which you have developed

5bd7f43c7da83282bcb78e3aa33832e0
0 · April 01, 2013 at 9:00 PM

I can certainly understand the mechanism by which the have developed the tendency for your patience to present at such low levels in certain circumstances, as such tendencies are quite common, not to mention the fact that I've witnessed this sort of thing in myself on many occasions as well. But at the same time, taking note of these obvious facts should not be used to sweep under the rug the obvious consideration that it simply is unlikely to be a useful pattern of conduct, especially as a moderator, where your primary function should be as a role model for proper behavior ;)

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce
0 · April 01, 2013 at 8:53 PM

How do I do that?

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0 · April 01, 2013 at 8:53 PM

Feel free to take it up with the mods.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce
0 · April 01, 2013 at 8:52 PM

I disagree that it's a 'gore vid'. That's certainly not my motivation to see it. It's pertinent to the discussion, and has medical value. Ultimately you do have authority to decide. But as a member here I shouldn't be berated and insulted for questioning.

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0 · April 01, 2013 at 8:49 PM

I donate my time here to help people out and keep trolls in line, so you can imagine just how much patience I have for some troll asking why in the world he can't post links to gore vids.

5bd7f43c7da83282bcb78e3aa33832e0
0 · April 01, 2013 at 8:48 PM

It's not clear to me why you're handling this situation like this, Travis

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce
0 · April 01, 2013 at 8:46 PM

You're being unbelievably rude about this. I can't see where I've said anything to warrant that.

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0 · April 01, 2013 at 8:42 PM

It's a rule I just made up. So the link would point here.

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0 · April 01, 2013 at 8:41 PM

Productive members don't engage in disingenuous trolling about things they obviously know the answer to. You want to start your own gore forum (called The Gorum) go right ahead. You want to link to that crap from PaleoHacks? Piss off.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce
0 · April 01, 2013 at 8:41 PM

Look man, I'm asking you for help finding the rules and regulations for this forum. Yes, I'm skeptical that you're operating within those boundaries. But, either you are or aren't. No need to resort to insults, is there?

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce
0 · April 01, 2013 at 8:38 PM

I'm a productive member of this forum asking a moderator a simple honest question. If you ban for this conversation your position as such should be seriously reconsidered.

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0 · April 01, 2013 at 8:37 PM

Do you want to post the video of you sustaining the traumatic brain injury you obviously have?

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce
0 · April 01, 2013 at 8:34 PM

What are you talking about? I can't ask you a question and expect an answer? I can't request help finding rules and regulations? Your behavior right now is far more worthy of being banned than mine.

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0 · April 01, 2013 at 8:32 PM

Maybe stop whining so I don't have to ban you.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce
0 · April 01, 2013 at 8:30 PM

Maybe just post me a link to rules & regulations... I can't seem to find it.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce
0 · April 01, 2013 at 8:29 PM

You still haven't answered. Why can't pictures and links of material that *you* object to be posted on paleohacks.com?

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0 · April 01, 2013 at 8:26 PM

I just answered. If you want to watch gory vids or porn or whatever, go right ahead and search Google for them. Just don't link them from here.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce
0 · April 01, 2013 at 8:24 PM

Could you answer, please?

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0 · April 01, 2013 at 8:21 PM

Then they can search for it.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce
0 · April 01, 2013 at 8:11 PM

Why Travis? If you don't want to watch it don't watch it. Some of us do.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce
0 · April 01, 2013 at 8:05 PM

I'm quite certain that, ounce per ounce, sardines are the *best* dietary calcium source. Not that hitting the milk would leave for want...

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0 · April 01, 2013 at 8:04 PM

Don't forget preformed vitamin A and K2.

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0 · April 01, 2013 at 8:02 PM

No gory pics or vids, folks

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce
0 · April 01, 2013 at 7:59 PM

Same momentum situation caused me to break my whole foot off the bottom of my leg (it stayed in the skin, thankfully). Slipped off an icy step onto a dry one... unbelievably painful. I don't think any specific bone density would've helped.

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0 · April 01, 2013 at 7:35 PM

Any idea whether transdermal magnesium from Epsom salt bathes could make supplementing with e.g. magnesium glycinate unnecessary?

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0 · April 01, 2013 at 7:34 PM

Damn man. That was terrible to watch. I watched it anyway just to give myself a better appreciation for the sort of shit I don't want to happen to me, but I feel pretty sick now, like I'm about to vomit

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0 · April 01, 2013 at 5:58 PM

Warning to the squeamish: this is a closeup of the break.

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0 · April 01, 2013 at 4:34 AM

Bone broth. Bone broth. And more bone broth.

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542 · April 01, 2013 at 7:58 AM

From the video it seems that Ware jumped about four feet in the air to defend a shot, landed 100% on his outside foot and his shoe stuck. In other words, his lower leg stopped while the rest of his body, carried by substantial momentum, kept going.

This happens a lot. See:

In fact, except for the head injuries and severed artery shown in the link, it happened in each case except possibly the Joe Thiesman injury where the injury is obscured by other players. In all others, the player left the ground while running and landed entirely on one foot, leaving the single leg to deal with the considerable force and impact still in play.

Can this be deficient bone density? Maybe but more probably not. In the Mary Pearce ACL tear, all the bone density in the world wouldn't have helped her. Her bone did just fine but her ligament ripped. I'm no physicist, but it seems that the densest bone has outside limits defined by the unique physics of the moment.

6d64cd6dc98d6ab763bd03678a317964
0 · April 02, 2013 at 5:08 AM

Motherfuckin ouch man!

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce
0 · April 01, 2013 at 7:59 PM

Same momentum situation caused me to break my whole foot off the bottom of my leg (it stayed in the skin, thankfully). Slipped off an icy step onto a dry one... unbelievably painful. I don't think any specific bone density would've helped.

5bd7f43c7da83282bcb78e3aa33832e0
0 · April 01, 2013 at 7:34 PM

Damn man. That was terrible to watch. I watched it anyway just to give myself a better appreciation for the sort of shit I don't want to happen to me, but I feel pretty sick now, like I'm about to vomit

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2688 · April 01, 2013 at 8:04 PM

The proper balance of vitamin A, vitamin D, and the most often overlooked, vitamin K2. Without K2 calcium does not wind up in bone where it belongs. It winds up in soft tissues like arteries.

Check out "Vitamin K2 and the Calcium Paradox" for details.

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0 · April 02, 2013 at 3:19 AM

Here's some more info from The Jaminets - http://perfecthealthdiet.com/category/nutrients/vitamin-k2/

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32518 · April 01, 2013 at 9:55 AM

Don't know about Kevin, but for good bone density, I suggest:

Sun/supplement with Vitamin D3 to a blood level of 50-60 ng/ml.

Dark leafy greens, dairy, canned salmon/sardines and bone broth for calcium, other minerals.

Magnesium supplementation of 400-600 mg of a magnesium chelate, like Mag Glycinate or Malate (unless you happen to live in a place with high magnesium water.)

ETA: Also preformed Vitamin A (from liver or CLO) and Vitamin K2 from liver, hard cheese and/or supplements

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab
0 · April 01, 2013 at 11:47 PM

Wakaanai- I have no idea, since absorption seems to vary from person to person. Magnesium blood levels seem to be worthless--check this out: http://www.easy-immune-health.com/magnesium-level.html

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab
0 · April 01, 2013 at 11:45 PM

Definitely, Travis! Replied in a hurry--my bad.

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0 · April 01, 2013 at 8:04 PM

Don't forget preformed vitamin A and K2.

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0 · April 01, 2013 at 7:35 PM

Any idea whether transdermal magnesium from Epsom salt bathes could make supplementing with e.g. magnesium glycinate unnecessary?

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41262 · April 01, 2013 at 12:17 PM

Accidents happen. Bones break. Probably not low bone density, just a freak thing.

I didn't see the break live, but just saw the video of it... jebus.... that looks nasty.

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25992 · April 02, 2013 at 12:18 AM

At the end of the day it I a question of design. Our bodies are not made to land that way. This happens all the time. Most get lucky and end up with a sprained ankle or torn tendon or small fracture. This kid was very unfortunate as his foot didn't roll.

When jumping with force land with the knee and foot facing the same direction.

It is really a shame to see such a youn kid have such a gruesome injury. Hopefully he's able to get back to full strength and not be nagged by this for the rest of his life.

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68 · April 02, 2013 at 1:53 AM

It was a freak injury that can happen to anyone and cannot really be "prevented." I am sure that kid has strong bones and is in phenomenal shape. He just landed awkwardly on one foot. He has probably made that jump 1000 times and came down 999 times in a sprint to his next position.

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0 · April 01, 2013 at 7:54 PM

Raw Milk is best source of calcium. and dr.s are calling it a deficiency..http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=18854412

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce
0 · April 01, 2013 at 8:05 PM

I'm quite certain that, ounce per ounce, sardines are the *best* dietary calcium source. Not that hitting the milk would leave for want...

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0 · April 01, 2013 at 3:09 PM
737471a5bc1c8b81d968c3f3fcd13b71
0 · April 01, 2013 at 5:58 PM

Warning to the squeamish: this is a closeup of the break.

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88 · April 01, 2013 at 7:55 AM

could be over-consumption of calcium (over-calcified and brittle)- contrary to popular belief, NOT A BONE BUILDER- more like a leacher-

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