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How to improve gut health with a weak liver and exhausted adrenals

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Created January 05, 2011 at 10:12 AM

Quite a loaded question without a simple answer due to some ongoing chronic health problems, but I thought I would throw it out there as the paleo diet seems to fit as the backbone of any treatment.

I'm in quite a tricky position - leaky/inflammed gut, sluggish aching liver/gallbladder and whipped adrenals, either as a result or more of a causative factor. As a result I have insomnia, constipation, hypoglycemia, exhaustion, many food sensitivities, irritated gut, liver ache, post nasal drip and a few other niggling things.

I've been round the mill in terms of speaking to nutritionists and not really gotten anywhere. Visits to my regular GP believe me to be 'healthy' and the test results reflect this. Also been paleo for around 6 months fairly strict

Some of the things I've done/tried

  • eliminated grains and any processed food (for around 6 months now)
  • VLC - feel kind of 'back into a corner regarding carbs'. Previously didn't digest grains, beans and seeds very well, struggle with fruits due to candida/hypoglycemia/cravings and the same with starchy carbs. Also not brilliant with fibrous foods. However, despite not losing weight I am underweight and wondering whether this is the best thing for my adrenals, but at the same time wouldn't want to do anymore damage to my gut or trigger any cravings/binging.
  • Supplement with probiotics, enzymes, B5, vitamin C, ox bile and HCL. Antifungals tend to stress my liver, as do any direct liver aids such as milk thistle, digestive bitters etc therefore seemingly creating this loop of not being able to clear, repair the gut due to the strain on the liver, and not being able to decongest the liver due to the state of the intestines/colon. Throw weak adrenals in the mixer and you have the makings of a seemingly inescapable chronic situation.

My diet consists of...

proteins - beef, pork, chicken, turkey, lamb, occasional salmon, mackeral, sardines, duck, partridge and venison

veg - zuchinni, celery, cucumber, lettuce, asparagus, brocolli, cauliflower, green beans, spinach, fennel and chicory

fats - tallow, coconut oil, olive oil, duck fat, lard, goose fat, fish oil, avocado oil, occasional chicken fat/lamb fat after making broth.

Sensitivies - dairy, nuts, eggs, nightshades (notably tomato's), shellfish, gluten, yeast, onions, garlic.

Does anyone have any thoughts on how I might begin to nurse my gut, liver and adrenals back to health given the complicated nature of my condition?

Many thanks,

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0 · December 19, 2013 at 10:31 PM

What have she done for your insomnia!?!?!?

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5232 · September 07, 2013 at 1:28 AM

Matt, try supplementing with 10grams of gelatin a day.

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549 · November 18, 2012 at 10:17 PM

Hey Matt! How do you know you have these issues?

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20353 · August 09, 2011 at 5:37 AM

7.5 to 8 hours sleep a day...

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4080 · August 03, 2011 at 10:45 PM

Thanks for posting that review. Dr. Wangen was on my docs list of future providers to try out, good to know!!

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20908 · August 02, 2011 at 10:57 PM

Fast are only good for people who are already healthy and have their diet and fitness level already dialed in. There's no reason to add fasting stress to the body on someone who already has adrenal fatigue.

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3631 · June 19, 2011 at 12:58 AM

How's it going now, six months later? Any successes?

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5232 · June 18, 2011 at 4:37 PM

It may be time to figure out which AI disease you have.

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5232 · June 18, 2011 at 4:27 PM

Have you tested for the presence of a leaky gut?

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5232 · June 18, 2011 at 4:27 PM

bacterial overgrowth tends to be overgrowth of the wrong bacteria that prey on the wrong type of foods. Since the current model of probiotics is that they influence the genetic information in the gut (plasmid transfer) while not colonizing the gut, probiotics can still be helpful.

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5232 · June 18, 2011 at 4:22 PM

Fasting in context of adrenal fatigue is usually detrimental.

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5232 · June 18, 2011 at 4:12 PM

You may try out a paleo version of the GAPs diet.

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78422 · June 18, 2011 at 7:43 AM

wow, very interesting. So what's your diet like? Do you take supplements?

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1159 · March 28, 2011 at 9:18 PM

qualia, that was one awesome answer. Up ya go :)

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2437 · March 28, 2011 at 7:32 AM

The PS is made of soy. Just a heads up...

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2399 · February 19, 2011 at 10:02 AM

:D So who exactly down voted this ? Kurt Harris hasn't written that post yet :D

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2544 · January 08, 2011 at 8:36 PM

I was just in the UK about 1 week ago, grew up there and my family still lives there although we are American citizens. My mom was trying to get Hook & Sons for me but the snow screwed that up. Hopefully they have things together.

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2544 · January 08, 2011 at 8:36 PM

Try Hook and Son's... they deliver fresh raw milk nationwide in the UK. As for the grains, Culture's for Health delivers internationally, but it might be cheaper to find a UK source. Also John's Jersey's delivers nationwide too but I got the feeling that Hook & Sons is more on top of things... also I know the snow set things back recently for them... alot of back orders so be patient. Set up a weekly order if you can, you'll probably get priority.

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318 · January 08, 2011 at 10:25 AM

Thanks Bill. I live in the UK so will hunt for a UK equivalent for the grains. Having contacted a few farms raw milk should be available, albeit it would be an hour+ round trip. Do you know if it freezes okay? Both the US and UK it seems are really clamping down, setting ridiculous and costly testing restrictions that mean it's alot harder to come by. Thanks,

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2544 · January 07, 2011 at 5:52 PM

Yeah order from the Cultures for Health website and follow the instructions. I would ferment for 48 hours if you want a good strong kefir. I did not phase it in, just went in and drank 8oz a day, sometimes more. Honestly, I just felt great after, no "die off" type stuff. You may fare differently but its worth a shot. I would just keep replacing the milk every 2 days and make more kefir if you can afford it, it can last a while and for me, the more the merrier. Good luck. Do you live in an area where you can get raw milk easily?

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1386 · January 07, 2011 at 2:45 PM

i think "sluggish liver" is not really the cause, but just another symptom of the real cause. i think you need the get to a leading specialist as soon as possible, like dr. wangen at the http://ibstreatmentcenter.blogspot.com/ the average "standard" doc will not do in this case i'm afraid (as so often). another expert i would trust is byron richards: http://www.wellnessresources.com/ he takes questions for free and answers them in his podcast usually. but i wouldn't lose any more time and just consult dr. wangen as a first step (some labs can be done via mail).

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318 · January 07, 2011 at 9:07 AM

I've had normal bloodwork done on numurous occasions that didn't show much. A slightly raised individual liver enzyme at one point but a repeat test then showed this lowered into 'normal' range. Had an endoscopy and an ultrasound over the liver area as well which all came out normal. So...I'm resigned to adopting/believing that my liver is simply sluggish and congested, which is more an 'alternative' diagnosis but fitting nonetheless. A shame though that information on the specifics of a detailed recovery are lacking, bar simply saying 'take milk thistle' or equivalent.

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318 · January 07, 2011 at 4:35 AM

very cool. Worth a shot I guess. Yes like you say the broadly sweeping recommendation to avoid all dairy has put me off trying kefir, despite hopefully being fermented and raw to make it less allergenic. Did you phase it in in anyway? I assume it's as simple as getting some grains and chucking them in a breathable glass jar with some raw milk for 24 hours and then strain, drink. As I'll be only using small amounts at first I guess I'll need to store the grains in the fridge (?) rather than make a new batch each time that I won't be able to get through. Ta,

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22913 · January 07, 2011 at 1:09 AM

Fasting for your health is a great idea!

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22913 · January 07, 2011 at 1:08 AM

@matt: magnesium intake changed this for me.

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1386 · January 07, 2011 at 12:04 AM

btw, have you been tested for the usual infectious diseases that can cause liver problems or weight loss? how are your liver values? did you get ANY blood tests at all so far?

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3717 · January 06, 2011 at 3:44 AM

A point on your inability to nap. Been there, got over that. My main hang-up was mental. Naps were for lazy people, wimps, etc. Naps wouldn't let me sleep at the right times at night. Etc. Excuse. Excuse. Each time I laid down, these thoughts would go through my mind and keep me awake. Once I really adopted the though that naps would be good for me, boom. I could sleep. I don't nap for hours, but 20 minutes on a Saturday is AWESOME. Just let your body take over instead of your brain.

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318 · January 05, 2011 at 8:46 PM

You'll probly find this hard to believe, and I'm yet to find the cause but I've been unable to nap for even 5 minutes during the day for about 2 years! This is despite feeling very tires, having the heavy eyes etc. Just never can drift off! Certainly shows quite a skewed hormonal pattern for a body that craves rest but doesn't allow it to get even 5 winks! Thanks for the comments anyhow.

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318 · January 05, 2011 at 8:40 PM

Thanks wjones. The fibrous foods just tend to sit in my gut a little and ferment. I kindof tested this theory by trying some psyllium husk. Felt like cement! Same thing with flaxseed. So I'm certainly in the low fiber camp, aligning myself with information detailed in 'The fibre menace'. Fortunately this led me to trying magnesium and vitamin C which has been very beneficial loosening and 'relaxing' the colon for evacuation. Some deeper healing however needs to take place in a seemingly complex combination of poor gut health, a sluggish liver and exhaustion.

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1386 · January 05, 2011 at 4:19 PM

also, you didn't mention magnesium. probably the most important supplement ever. take at least 300mg/day (usually before bed). to support gut healing, i'd take 5-20g/d L-glutamine (also great to support recovery after a workout). furthermore, try acetyl l-carnitine for increased mental alertness, physical performance, and less fatigue. if mood and/or focus is a problem, try fish oil, SAMe, phosphatidylserine and P-5-P.

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1386 · January 05, 2011 at 4:00 PM

yes, resetting the nutrition to just a few "safe" items might indeed be necessary. i once removed everything i reacted to and was left only with like chicken, salad and rice. the ultimate goal has to be to find a nutritional spot where you don't experience any negative reaction after eating, keep that for like 2-3 weeks to give the system a change to heal, and then re-introduce each food one by one and observe. sounds brutal, but it should work. try to up your C intake to bowel tolerance (usually 10-50g/d), and take 100mg of R-Lipoic Acid with each meal to protect the liver. also try chlorella

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1386 · January 05, 2011 at 12:28 PM

+1 for naps during the day. they can help a lot, even if it's just for 20 minutes

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22913 · January 05, 2011 at 12:23 PM

Almost forgot fermented foods are great!

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318 · January 05, 2011 at 12:23 PM

Thanks Qualia. Your right, reducing anything that might irritate the gut is key, but it can become a crusade that results in removing pretty much any food and/or supplement. For example I believe HCL and the Now Super Enzymes help a little with digestion, but are they irritating to the gut lining? Thus perpetuating the problem. The big trouble for me, which I'm not sure you have experienced due to not mentioning it in your post is liver/gallbladder detoxification stress. Upping probiotics to a level that induces die off will for me aggrevate constipation and increase the liver ache.

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1386 · January 05, 2011 at 11:10 AM

this situation looks very similar to mine. some points from my experience:

  • probiotics: most of the time, people with acute digestive problems don't take nearly enough. aim for AT LEAST 100 billion organisms/day (some professional probiotics even have 450b/day). i currently take about 3-4 a day of these: http://is.gd/k9b60 (one with each meal), and it makes a big difference compared to the usual 1-5b/day probiotics.

  • nasal drip points to cross reactions to a pre-existing pollen, grass or dust mite allergy in my experience. if you look at the lists of cross reactive foods on wikipedia it can be pretty much everything (pretty much all fruits, vegetables, nuts). i had surprising success in identifying these with a "home made" prick test. from now on, for each different item you eat (except meat), do a prick test once on the inside of your arm with a fine needle on which you have put some juice/flesh of the concerned food, and sting or scratch your skin with it. if it looks like a mosquito bite after 10 minutes, you're most likely allergic to it (especially if you have a compromised gut lining). be sure to no be on anti-histamines for this, or it won't work. some food doesn't work well with this test like milk. another clear sign is if you need to sneeze after you eat a specific food, like chocolate for example.

  • you need to be 100.00% sure to be dairy (and gluten) free. i took a certain brand of digestive enzymes for months, before i noticed that they actually contained MILK! lost about half a year of healing because of this crap. another one was milk powder in a canned fish.. wtf.

  • in my experience, it's all about filling up nutritional deficiencies, and avoiding 100% ALL allergens, or the body will not be able to recover 100%. even one tiny part of your nutrition, like a spice in a spice mix or something can keep the inflammation going. you need to super sure and super clean 100% time. this is especially true of additives in supplements (as i mentioned, especially for dairy and gluten)

  • you need to be sure you're not deficient in any mineral or vitamin. do lab tests if needed, and/or supplement with each separately, and see how you react. IF you react one way or the other, one is usually deficient in this specific vitamin, or in one of the needed co-factors. typical candidates are D, B12, iron, magnesium, zinc, iodine, B-complex, choline, etc

  • there are a ton of great additional supplements that would turn you into superman instantly, but i don't recommend taking them, as it only would mask the remaining problems/symptoms. you need to get healthy without any "boosters" if possible (this includes too much coffee)

  • if nothing helps, i'd do a comprehensive DNA stool test, as provided by http://is.gd/k9eGM for example (a conventional "petri dish" and microscope stool test is usually not good enough). if still no success, i'd go to a capable functional medicine clinic, like the one of dr. hyman

keep us updated! i'm interested what works/doesn't work for you

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318 · January 05, 2011 at 12:23 PM

Thanks Qualia. Your right, reducing anything that might irritate the gut is key, but it can become a crusade that results in removing pretty much any food and/or supplement. For example I believe HCL and the Now Super Enzymes help a little with digestion, but are they irritating to the gut lining? Thus perpetuating the problem. The big trouble for me, which I'm not sure you have experienced due to not mentioning it in your post is liver/gallbladder detoxification stress. Upping probiotics to a level that induces die off will for me aggrevate constipation and increase the liver ache.

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1386 · January 05, 2011 at 4:00 PM

yes, resetting the nutrition to just a few "safe" items might indeed be necessary. i once removed everything i reacted to and was left only with like chicken, salad and rice. the ultimate goal has to be to find a nutritional spot where you don't experience any negative reaction after eating, keep that for like 2-3 weeks to give the system a change to heal, and then re-introduce each food one by one and observe. sounds brutal, but it should work. try to up your C intake to bowel tolerance (usually 10-50g/d), and take 100mg of R-Lipoic Acid with each meal to protect the liver. also try chlorella

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1386 · January 05, 2011 at 4:19 PM

also, you didn't mention magnesium. probably the most important supplement ever. take at least 300mg/day (usually before bed). to support gut healing, i'd take 5-20g/d L-glutamine (also great to support recovery after a workout). furthermore, try acetyl l-carnitine for increased mental alertness, physical performance, and less fatigue. if mood and/or focus is a problem, try fish oil, SAMe, phosphatidylserine and P-5-P.

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2437 · March 28, 2011 at 7:32 AM

The PS is made of soy. Just a heads up...

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1159 · March 28, 2011 at 9:18 PM

qualia, that was one awesome answer. Up ya go :)

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421 · January 07, 2011 at 12:58 AM

I would immediately start a fast.

The single best way to heal intestinal disbyosis (often characterized by leaky gut and small intestine bacterial overgrowth or SIBO), and generally improve your gut flora, is to give your gut a rest.

If you are already eating VLC, you should be adapted to fat burning, so this should be a snap.

I recommend a keto-fast; completely restrict carbs and protein for 36 to 42 hours, and eat a min. of 6 Tbs coconut oil every 24 hours to maintain energy. You can also eat butter and heavy cream if necessary; you should not feel weak from lack of food. I usually start my fasts in the PM and end in the AM (e.g., Fri-7PM to Sun-7AM, 36 hours). You should also feel free to exercise during the fast (e.g., Sat AM for me).

After 36 or 48 hours, and for the next 7 to 10 days, re-introduce protein and carbs, but eat little to no carbs and only low glycemic vegetables; this is critical if you are to maintain the gains from the fast. I also recommend one of two meal plans during this 7 to 10 day period.

Plan 1: Eat two meals a day, AM and PM only (e.g., 7am & 7pm); if you need food in between, make it conconut oil, butter or heavy cream (i.e. healthy fat). This will give you two ~12 hour fasts each day during which time your gut will be healing.

Plan 2: Pick an 8 hour feeding window and eat as you like during this time (e.g., Noon to 8pm). For example, you might eat at Noon, 4PM and 8PM. This will give you a ~16 hour fast each day during which time your gut will be healing.

Good luck; you should be feeling much better soon if you quickly begin a fast! However, make sure you eat plenty of coconut oil (and other supplemental healthy fats if needed) to maintain your energy or it will be a long 36 or 48 hours!

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22913 · January 07, 2011 at 1:09 AM

Fasting for your health is a great idea!

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5232 · June 18, 2011 at 4:22 PM

Fasting in context of adrenal fatigue is usually detrimental.

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20908 · August 02, 2011 at 10:57 PM

Fast are only good for people who are already healthy and have their diet and fitness level already dialed in. There's no reason to add fasting stress to the body on someone who already has adrenal fatigue.

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22913 · January 05, 2011 at 12:22 PM

Recovering Adrenals.

  • Limit Fasting, 3 meals a day, always eat post workout even if it means meal #4

  • Reduce Foods to simplest for a while, drop the extra herbs, spices, and exotic veggies

  • If you respond well to sweet potatoes, eat them daily. Okinowan ones are easy enough to find and have a better antioxidant count.

  • Drop Caffeine completely. All other stimulants too.

  • Sleep more, I strongly recommend a mid day 1-2 hr nap.

  • meditate, or other personal quiet relaxing stress reduction.

Liver

  • Eat it. Not your own, preferably from a grass fed cow.

  • Choline.

  • reducing lectin load/toxin load. This likely means more meat, less veggies.

Make sure the vegs you do eat are well cooked or prepared to minimize lectin/antinutrient load.

I really recommend you get some testing done for true allergies/sensitivities as well. Fecal test seems best

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22913 · January 05, 2011 at 12:23 PM

Almost forgot fermented foods are great!

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1386 · January 05, 2011 at 12:28 PM

+1 for naps during the day. they can help a lot, even if it's just for 20 minutes

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318 · January 05, 2011 at 8:46 PM

You'll probly find this hard to believe, and I'm yet to find the cause but I've been unable to nap for even 5 minutes during the day for about 2 years! This is despite feeling very tires, having the heavy eyes etc. Just never can drift off! Certainly shows quite a skewed hormonal pattern for a body that craves rest but doesn't allow it to get even 5 winks! Thanks for the comments anyhow.

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22913 · January 07, 2011 at 1:08 AM

@matt: magnesium intake changed this for me.

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2231 · June 18, 2011 at 3:39 PM

please dont do a cleanse lol...

i had these kind of symptoms when i started paleo from anorexia recovery. ill tell you what i did

at first i went full on paleo with dairy and gained weight with a lot of intestinal discomfort and bloat. after about 6 months it normalized. then i started tinkering...

i dropped dairy(it was raw cheese and full fat yogurt) i started swigging ACV(with mother) before meals took a round, or bottle of NOW super enzymes and when it was gone never got another every meal included a scoop of sauerkraut or fermented veg

*i dropped my meat intake SIGNIFICANTLY. say what you will but i dont think upping protein and meat consumption is going to help you at all. IME, eatoing more seafood(fresh) really helped my gut and hypo issues, as well as the liver/adrenal exhaustion feel. canned seafood wise i do a lot of sardines, salmon, makerel, clams. yes, eat meat but you dont need it 3x a day. eggs are awesome when soft boiled(not pan fried in butter)

take advantage of fresh herbs...chop them up and all some coconut oil and have an herb salad...basil/oregano/dill/thyme etc.... they all have healthy stuff in them

do not cook your meat via frying/roasting/grilling. stick to boiling and steaming. made a world of difference for me

taters are amazing, without skin, i second the okinawan ones are SO TASTY. also, mashed parsnips or carrots or winter squash

eat a raw carrot sometime during the day

drink kombucha

dont fear carbs but start with the less fiborous ones

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8868 · January 05, 2011 at 6:33 PM

Random thoughts...

Your "sensitivies" are most intriguing. It's interesting that you don't mention soy. I wonder if soy is a problem. I suspect it is present in at least one of your supplements. Since much of what you discuss rings true to me personally, I suspect it could be a problem for you as well.

Now, I realize some people have good results with pro/pre-biotics; however, consider eliminating them for a short period of time. It's another suspect variable. Same thing with other supplements (except magnesium, which will help with the constipation).

You mention you have problems with starchy and fibrous foods. What are these problems? If these foods trigger the opposite of constipation (i.e., irritable bowel) this is significant in one way. If it correlates with increased constipation, it is quite another. If the former, you should read about the Specific Carbohydrate diet, which is mostly paleo, but has a list of "illegal" foods that trigger bacterial overgrowth in the small intestine. Starchy foods, fibrous foods, certain fruits--these are all triggers. If the latter, I don't have any good advice.

Incidentally, if the last paragraph rings true to you then probiotics/prebiotics are the worst thing you can take.

My other thought is that there are so many possible causative suspect foods that you should try a very simple, elimination diet. The vegetables you listed include high-oxalate foods like spinach. Could these be a problem for you? I believe if you work on the gut, all else will follow. It's simplistic and only my belief, so please take it as such.

Finally, you mention "binging" and "cravings" (twice). These are also interesting and suggestive. Are you getting enough calories? Are you cheating in ways that negate your otherwise positive diet?

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318 · January 05, 2011 at 8:40 PM

Thanks wjones. The fibrous foods just tend to sit in my gut a little and ferment. I kindof tested this theory by trying some psyllium husk. Felt like cement! Same thing with flaxseed. So I'm certainly in the low fiber camp, aligning myself with information detailed in 'The fibre menace'. Fortunately this led me to trying magnesium and vitamin C which has been very beneficial loosening and 'relaxing' the colon for evacuation. Some deeper healing however needs to take place in a seemingly complex combination of poor gut health, a sluggish liver and exhaustion.

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5232 · June 18, 2011 at 4:27 PM

bacterial overgrowth tends to be overgrowth of the wrong bacteria that prey on the wrong type of foods. Since the current model of probiotics is that they influence the genetic information in the gut (plasmid transfer) while not colonizing the gut, probiotics can still be helpful.

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2399 · January 05, 2011 at 10:52 AM

Probiotics, prebiotics, inulin, pectin.

If possible, fecal transplant.

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2399 · February 19, 2011 at 10:02 AM

:D So who exactly down voted this ? Kurt Harris hasn't written that post yet :D

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The first thing would be to read the book "Adrenal Fatigue the 21st century syndrome" - tonnes of info on adrenals and how to help the body to heal, including what to eat, when to eat, when to sleep, how to organize your day, supplements to help, etc. Secondly, the product "Xtra" by Univera is really good for the adrenals! Third, seeing a Classical Homeopath for a Constitutional Remedy can help overall to get your body working well. Slippery Elm is good for digestive issues, Milk Thistle is good for the liver. Avoiding 'scratchy' foods (raw veg, fried food that's crisp, nuts- exceptions to nuts are nut milk and nuts ground to a smooth butter) can also be helpful with digestive issues. Google Dr Matsen and people who eat to well- the article is very informative, as well as his book "Eating Alive 2"

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2544 · January 06, 2011 at 10:12 PM

Get ahold of some Raw milk and start making your own raw milk kefir.

Paleo purists will scoff at this but honestly, I avoided all dairy for 4 months, including ghee, and I improved with all my health issues 100% when I started making my own raw milk kefir and began drinking a TON of raw milk.

In my experience so far, I have not found raw milk to be allergenic at all. Just have it away from meals and don't gulp it down, sip it.

I would always react to pasturized dairy... even fermented, now I can even get away with having some cheese here and there.

Elimation diets are great for food allergies/gut problems... but if you eliminate too much you are actually hurting your gut flora. They adapt to your diet and even if you have some sensitivities you should persist and your gut flora will adapt. Dr. Ayers advises this with his "raw dirty veggies" recommendations. You will suffer discomfort and reactions at first, but in small, consistent amounts, the gut flora adapt.

It is about a functional gut flora with diversity.

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2544 · January 07, 2011 at 5:52 PM

Yeah order from the Cultures for Health website and follow the instructions. I would ferment for 48 hours if you want a good strong kefir. I did not phase it in, just went in and drank 8oz a day, sometimes more. Honestly, I just felt great after, no "die off" type stuff. You may fare differently but its worth a shot. I would just keep replacing the milk every 2 days and make more kefir if you can afford it, it can last a while and for me, the more the merrier. Good luck. Do you live in an area where you can get raw milk easily?

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318 · January 08, 2011 at 10:25 AM

Thanks Bill. I live in the UK so will hunt for a UK equivalent for the grains. Having contacted a few farms raw milk should be available, albeit it would be an hour+ round trip. Do you know if it freezes okay? Both the US and UK it seems are really clamping down, setting ridiculous and costly testing restrictions that mean it's alot harder to come by. Thanks,

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2544 · January 08, 2011 at 8:36 PM

Try Hook and Son's... they deliver fresh raw milk nationwide in the UK. As for the grains, Culture's for Health delivers internationally, but it might be cheaper to find a UK source. Also John's Jersey's delivers nationwide too but I got the feeling that Hook & Sons is more on top of things... also I know the snow set things back recently for them... alot of back orders so be patient. Set up a weekly order if you can, you'll probably get priority.

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318 · January 07, 2011 at 4:35 AM

very cool. Worth a shot I guess. Yes like you say the broadly sweeping recommendation to avoid all dairy has put me off trying kefir, despite hopefully being fermented and raw to make it less allergenic. Did you phase it in in anyway? I assume it's as simple as getting some grains and chucking them in a breathable glass jar with some raw milk for 24 hours and then strain, drink. As I'll be only using small amounts at first I guess I'll need to store the grains in the fridge (?) rather than make a new batch each time that I won't be able to get through. Ta,

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2544 · January 08, 2011 at 8:36 PM

I was just in the UK about 1 week ago, grew up there and my family still lives there although we are American citizens. My mom was trying to get Hook & Sons for me but the snow screwed that up. Hopefully they have things together.

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318 · January 05, 2011 at 8:36 PM

Some sensible advice all thanks.

The strict elimination diet may be an idea. Could perhaps try going just meat and fat for a few days and try working things back in. My diet seems incredibly hypoallergenic though and when does it become too much of an obsession. I'm fairly strict on good quality supplements as well so don't think there are any nasties.

My 'hunger' dictates that I eat probly around 2600-2700 calories a day, mostly from fat in the ratio 80/20 (fat/protein). I control my blood sugar splitting this into 5 meals a day, 3 of which contain a small amount of veggies on the side from the list above. I haven't 'tested' an alternate eating pattern but suspect having such weak digestion would make say 3 meals of 800+ calories tough. I have seen improvements in my hypoglycemia since going low carb but it certainly is still there lurking.

I've always been extremely thin, but am currently about 9.7 stone, for a 6ft 2 male.... which will make you understand why I'm fixated on trying to get the right carb combination. Horrible situation to be in being so lean and sensitive to carbs with insulin resistance and hypoglycemia. Seemingly not much information and advice for those of us out there as it's all obesity obesity obesity when it comes to previous carb binging, hypoglycemia and insulin resistance.

I may have to give up the ghost with regards to probiotics as you suggest which leaves me in a bit of a pickle knowing what to try/approach to take to reduce the inflammation and toxic loop with my liver. Need to get the inflammation down somehow whilst not stressing the liver too much.

I'm not currently cheating and haven't for around 6 months now so I remain pretty strict. Been gluten free and soy free for years, bar the occasional sprinkling of lecithin for the choline, which I've not had for months either. I'm also pretty much following an SCD/GAPs type diet however without any fruit, and their recommendation to avoid all starches I'm left with no carb options. My digestion certainly isn't strong enough to load up on leafy greens to the point where it reaches an adequate carb intake.

Will perhaps bite the bullet and try to incorporate some sweet potatoes and see how I feel, maybe just 50g a day split between meals to start with. Whether I will digest them, feed the yeast, feel woozy, irritate the gut as a result is another matter.......

Despite the bleak outlook and severly reduced quality of life I remain optimistic!

ta,

Matt

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1386 · January 07, 2011 at 12:04 AM

btw, have you been tested for the usual infectious diseases that can cause liver problems or weight loss? how are your liver values? did you get ANY blood tests at all so far?

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3717 · January 06, 2011 at 3:44 AM

A point on your inability to nap. Been there, got over that. My main hang-up was mental. Naps were for lazy people, wimps, etc. Naps wouldn't let me sleep at the right times at night. Etc. Excuse. Excuse. Each time I laid down, these thoughts would go through my mind and keep me awake. Once I really adopted the though that naps would be good for me, boom. I could sleep. I don't nap for hours, but 20 minutes on a Saturday is AWESOME. Just let your body take over instead of your brain.

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1386 · January 07, 2011 at 2:45 PM

i think "sluggish liver" is not really the cause, but just another symptom of the real cause. i think you need the get to a leading specialist as soon as possible, like dr. wangen at the http://ibstreatmentcenter.blogspot.com/ the average "standard" doc will not do in this case i'm afraid (as so often). another expert i would trust is byron richards: http://www.wellnessresources.com/ he takes questions for free and answers them in his podcast usually. but i wouldn't lose any more time and just consult dr. wangen as a first step (some labs can be done via mail).

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318 · January 07, 2011 at 9:07 AM

I've had normal bloodwork done on numurous occasions that didn't show much. A slightly raised individual liver enzyme at one point but a repeat test then showed this lowered into 'normal' range. Had an endoscopy and an ultrasound over the liver area as well which all came out normal. So...I'm resigned to adopting/believing that my liver is simply sluggish and congested, which is more an 'alternative' diagnosis but fitting nonetheless. A shame though that information on the specifics of a detailed recovery are lacking, bar simply saying 'take milk thistle' or equivalent.

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Matt, try supplementing with 10grams of gelatin a day.

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Add tumeric. It aids in digestion, reduces inflammation and cleanses the liver. Also chlorella is vegan, high in nutrients and protein,reduces inflammation , increases oxygenation of cells, etc...

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I have all the same issues...............severe candida, adrenal fatigue, leaky gut syndrome, and hormones all over the place. I found a great functional medicine doctor that is helping me. I have worked with her 2 month now.............and had insomnia for almost 15 years prior, and in 3 weeks she had me sleeping and off sleeping pills. Also the daily headaches pretty much gone, daily horrible achy everywhere on my body - almost gone, spikes in blood sugar gone, weight coming off. Pretty amazing that suffer for YEARS upon YEARS..............and in just 2 months feel beter than I did before. Even tho in the midst of an agressive detox!! Pretty stoked .........wished I would have found her years ago, but GOD put her in my path now and am very thankful. I was done trying to figure this messed up body by myself. I leave it all in her hands!! I am doing significantly different things then you all are suggesting. Oh yeah...........had racing horrible anxiety. My serontonin was so sky high, she has brought that down in 2 months as well. I am one happy camper. Can't wait to look back and have all this behind me. Good luck to you all with your health journeys.

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What have she done for your insomnia!?!?!?

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Please view Dr. Lawrance Wilson's Nutritional Balancing program, and work with one of his approved practitioners from his site. He has been using Hair Analysis to correct imbalances for over 30 years with great results. His program not not simply just using supplements, its more complex and intricate than that (however, still somewhat simple). See Eileen Durfee gives a breif explanation of the program in this video (part 1 of 3) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSuNe2IBCcU Other than that ... I suspect the allergies and postnasal drip will heal themselves when the digestive, endocrine and immune system(s) are addressed. The Adrenals are likely going to resolve as the toxicity from the gut subsides, too. Also, as the Liver decongests and regenerates the heavy metals in the system, and other burdens, will work their way out ... and adrenal function will likely improve. Sometimes what we think is a major Adrenal issues is actually more related to the fatigue caused by a congested/diseased/toxic liver. Liver and Energy/Mood are very correlated. As you heal your liver your adrenals should follow in healing, too. I imagine. Unless you have lifestyle stresses that need to be addressed (i.e. mold in your home, or an abusive spouse, negative self talk, etc. Then those most be addressed, of course). But, the adrenals will likely recoop well with Nutritional Balancing, detoxing, and digestive support. really, all system support. ... Right now the funky fermentation that is happening in your gut is contributing to Liver stress and generall Fatigue. Kefir is helpful. However, other ferments further stress the Liver as they are somewhat toxic with aldehyde. The only ferment you eat should be home-brewed Kefir. Also, a good probiotic is VSL#3. and S. Boulardii. ... Other factors to consider are your methylation. Many people are under-methylated. This takes a big toll on your Energy level, Mood, Cognition and your Liver's ability to function and your over all detoxification. Nutritional Balancing will eventually resolve methylation concerns, but you may temporarily need support, such as SAMe for instance. However be very careful with SAMe, start low and slow, because if you are an over-methylator it can cause mania. You should be fine, though. Also, Nutritional Balancing with help determine if you are a Slow or Fast Oxidator. If you are a slow oxidator you are likely eating too much meat & fat. especially for a congested liver. and this will add stress and fatigue to your system, I believe. Also, you may have a number of issues that do not show up on even fancy stool tests. Namely a number of Parasites. For instance, Liver Flukes are common. Parasites can add a burden to the body, ... detoxing and strengthening the whole system through Nutritional Balancing should slowly erradicate most, if not all, parasites. You may have a number of viruses floating in the system that are making you tired, too. As you rejuvinate the body from the ground up they too will not cause you trouble. most likely. I highly recommend you start daily coffee enemas. SeekingHealth sells a good one. Coffee Enemas will help your gut/colon and your Liver. and over all detox. including heavy metals and parasites, etc. They will help you have more energy, too. The first few days I did them I felt foggy/worse - then on the 4th day - I felt clear/better. Now if I don't have one the next day I am too fatigued to function, as before. They keep me functional. and are a very good practice in this day and age.

Good Luck to you! and focus on your liver

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Hi Matt! I just came across this page and was wondering if you've found any relief in your symptoms? If so, what worked for you? I have very similar symptoms if not the exact symptoms as you and no one can seem to figure it out. Thank you for your time and I hope you're doing well.

Healthfully, Colleen

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A big thanks to all of the post authors here. This thread has been very helpful to me. Many reminders and new pieces to consider too. Currently I'm living a remotely familiar crisis and it's hard to think. How did I get out of here last time?? Seems to me that what worked 10 years ago may not be appropriate for my now 45 year old body. I'll keep poking around here and see what else I learn. Recently I learned that I react strongly to high oxalate foods, and also that there are such things as high oxalate foods, vegetables that are not good for me. Perhaps in moderation some day I will get to enjoy a beet. This all started with my annual Borscht as the weather cooled. I thought I was eating healthy for my body. You know what they say about good intentions. :)

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Sorry, I have to weigh in re: Dr. Wangen, from my experience a huge waste of money, travel time, the list goes on. I came away knowing my allergies based, I learned later, on tests that are not particularly conclusive or ACCURATE and promptly reacted to a food that my tests indicated not a problem.

I came away with no substantive treatment--though a multitude of nutritional treatments exist, like caprillic acid (a natural antibiotic), monolaurin, L-Lysine--for bacterial or yeast/fungal overgrowth. Just told to do "a yeast diet," which is bunk and ineffective, and this at a time when I was so weak I could hardly stand! I was told nothing about probiotics or prebiotics, both of which helped me, and I was not told about magnesium citrate (it MUST be citrate), another help. I realize all of this is individual, but I have been disappointed in a lack of science, a PROGRAM (people like us are not going to benefit from "magic bullets", and follow-up at way too many clinics around the country. Ultimately, I ended up on prescription yeast/fungal treatment and a real auto-immune mess for a costly out-of-state M.D. to try to undo. Whether he will succeed is still questionable. Incidentally, of all the practitioners I've gone to not a one understood Pregnenolone--research it, it's critical, and NO, IT CAN'T BE TESTED FOR--likely the genetic origins of my problems in combination with HUGE exposure to antibiotics and "dead" food, plus what rapidly became allergens. And that's the point to be made, the only real advocate for people like us is other people like us (at this site) and ourselves! Blessings and good luck to you all!

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4080 · August 03, 2011 at 10:45 PM

Thanks for posting that review. Dr. Wangen was on my docs list of future providers to try out, good to know!!

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78422 · June 19, 2011 at 1:46 AM

Have you had any testing for cortisol and adrenal function? Hopefully by now things are much better for you, but if you can, get those tests to figure out where you are as far as Adrenal Fatigue. Also naps don't have to be sleeping. Lying down resting and not stressing is good too. I am not much of a day sleeper.

Anything that stresses you mentally or physically will make your adrenals go into action. That means no fasting, eating regularly, and exercising moderately. Try doing yoga to strengthen your body and help your nerves calm. Walking in nature feels great too.

It can take a while to heal the adrenals and may even require supplements as well as food. Vitamin C is super important. B vitamins also important I personally take tryptophan during the day and GABA at night to keep on an even keel stress and sleepwise.

Get some tests for the adrenal thing. You want to know your baseline and then test to see improvements.

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78422 · June 18, 2011 at 7:42 AM

uh you are the same as me. My advice is to go all Paleo, meaning no supplements. No grains, no legumes, no processed foods. BUT, keep eating fat, eat MORE FRUIT, more veggies, some potatos, and go for periods of fasting.

I've been low on fruit and veggies and high on meat and fat, and it was good, but now I'm starting to get really sluggish and tired. So I'm putting in more fruit and veggies and think I'm doing better.

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4080 · March 28, 2011 at 9:20 PM

I share all your symptoms except the drip. Paleo hasn't helped me either, but I still like the theory behind it, so I am sticking with it. I have tried everything from acupuncture to chinese medicine to fasts to cleanes to 3 doses of strong antibiotics to kills small intestinal bacterial overgrowth to almost $1K in probiotics. Nothing. Don't mean to be downer but just wanted to say good luck and if you get better please post how! (so will I!)

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78422 · June 18, 2011 at 7:43 AM

wow, very interesting. So what's your diet like? Do you take supplements?

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Have you ever thought of doing a liver cleanse and colon cleanse to see if you are impacted with fecal matter from all those foods you are eating and drinking?

Have you ever tried making smoothies of whole raw ffruits and vegetables with rice protein or hemp whey?

I am amazed at what U are eating and what affects its having on your body

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