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by 3608 · January 16, 2013 at 09:00 PM

The easy solution would be to buy grass-fed raw milk. However, if we make yogurt using pasteurized, homogenized milk, are there any risks associated with this? (Oxidized cholesterol, denatured proteins...etc etc).

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Amy_B_ 0 · January 16, 2013 at 08:28 PM

Fermentation takes a dead (pasteurized) food and turns it back into a living food (teeming with good bacteria). So in that sense, it is beneficial. It won't bring back all the live enzymes (like lactase) and whatever immunoglobulins in raw milk... (more)

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by 0 · July 18, 2013 at 01:48 PM

do all dairy products contain casein?

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rht 0 · July 18, 2013 at 01:48 PM

Ghee is butter that has been clarified to remove the milk solids, water, everything except the fat. All that remains is butter fat. So the French call it "clarified butter" and in India it is known as ghee. Some classic French sauces call for... (more)

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by 5 · June 13, 2013 at 04:18 PM

Is lactose monohydrate casein free ? Or does it contain trace amounts of casein ?

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by 2611 · May 18, 2013 at 03:00 AM

I just did a month-long gluten fast followed by a series of double-blind exposures, and the result seems to be that stopping or starting gluten has no effect on my mood, energy, cognition, or physical health. But lately I've seen some people... (more)

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rht 0 · May 18, 2013 at 03:00 AM

I think testing them separately will work unless you are concerned about the "opiod" type effects of gluten and casein. This is a dose related response rather than a true intolerance. The Failsafe diet suggests 2 weeks for both gluten and casein... (more)

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by 2272 · March 26, 2013 at 08:23 PM

So the benefits of fasting (as I believe) mainly begin when your body has fully digested and has the chance to "Rebuild, Recover, etc". So would having some kind of casein protein (milk or similar) right before beginning a fast DELAY the benefits... (more)

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Anon_9 0 · March 26, 2013 at 04:59 PM

From what I've read, casein is the most insulinagenic proteins out there. Protein does increase insulin levels, but not nearly the same as carbs do, but casein seems have a lot more impact on increasing insulin levels. I guess it makes sense. ... (more)

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by 0 · March 22, 2013 at 03:01 PM

I recently went to a naturopath doctor for a blood and saliva test. He has me on test and progesterone to help regain my cycle and my adrenal were worn therefore he has me on adrenamax. I wanted to state this as I am unsure if my stress level is... (more)

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Renee_2 0 · March 22, 2013 at 03:01 PM

What else are you eating? Lots of Paleo-friendly foods can cause gas, like high-FODMAP fruits and veg, eggs and nuts. But yes, stress can also certainly impair digestion and cause bloating.

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by 205 · November 03, 2012 at 01:07 PM

Understandably if you have gas/bloating/ibs etc. then you can't tolerate it. However what are the other non-GI tract symptoms people have experienced? Thanks

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JoeyChang 0 · September 14, 2012 at 04:33 AM

There are a lot of symptoms that can be associated with dairy sensitivity (as illustrated above) but how would you ever attribute that to dairy as opposed to some other food? I would consider doing a 30-day elimination diet with the paleo... (more)

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by 0 · August 30, 2013 at 02:47 AM

I'm new to the Paleo diet and at the stage of being ready to test new foods. I already know I can't have milk because I've previously been on a milk and gluten-free diet and tested these things. I don't have a lactose intolerance which means it's... (more)

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Sheogorath 0 · August 30, 2013 at 02:47 AM

As others have said, it's still got casein in it. I know from eating Cheestrings when I shouldn't have. I can have A2 milk on those rare occasions I can locate it, though (it's always sold out so quickly), so I eat buffalo mozzarella a lot.

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by 50 · August 04, 2012 at 09:39 PM

I recently checked and noticed I have some casein protein. Is casein bad in paleo terms?

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foreveryoung 0 · August 04, 2012 at 08:36 PM

Hey, Mario. If you digest dairy proteins fine, then casein should be of no issue with digestion either, as 80% of milk protein is casein (the other 20% is the beloved whey). The primary difference between casein and whey is the breakdown rate. ... (more)

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by 0 · June 07, 2012 at 08:24 PM

Can anybody explain this phenomenon? I guess it has something to do with the curdling of cheese...it coagulates the proteins....and for butter, the casein is lost in the whey?

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dzone 0 · June 07, 2012 at 02:34 PM

Cheese has much more casein (a protein that breaks down during digestion to form opiates - addictive substances) than is found in milk, ice cream, butter or other dairy products. Therefore, cheese, which has 70 percent of its calories from fat, is... (more)

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by 788 · May 11, 2012 at 11:57 AM

I just discovered Heavy Whipping Cream and I am in love. I would like to mix it with water to make a psuedo-Milk without the Lactose, Casein and various other issues that cause problems with dairy. Does anyone know how much lactose or casein is... (more)

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Kelly_3 0 · May 11, 2012 at 11:57 AM

I found this info: http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/dairy-and-egg-products/51/2 but it really doesn't say specifically, it just says that its mostly fat. That said, I use heavy cream to make sour cream (GAPS) and its ferment using homemade... (more)

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by 5 · January 24, 2012 at 07:01 PM

Ghee is very oily tasting but works okay in some GFCF recipes. It just doesn't cut it as a coating on bread...does grass fed butter have less casein? We can't do earth's balance because of corn ingredient..any suggestions that give one that... (more)

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j3wcy 0 · January 24, 2012 at 07:01 PM

For what it's worth I found this article about the relationship between gluten and dairy malabsorption. It's titled lactose intolerance but casein is also mentioned. http://perfecthealthdiet.com/?p=262 Although in the end it mostly gets you... (more)

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by 361 · June 30, 2014 at 04:05 PM

I need a refresher, because I thought cheese I was perfectly safe until just now. Also, please give me some advice on butters and yogurts, like greek yogurts. I have found that lactose and casein explode my acne production so I want to stay away... (more)

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Eric_12 0 · January 18, 2012 at 04:43 AM

Cream and butter. With ghee being an even cleaner version of butter...

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by 659 · March 22, 2014 at 06:45 PM

I quote; There are two main forms of the important cow's milk protein beta-casein found in the cow's milk that you drink. These two forms are known as A1 and A2 beta-casein. The A2 form of beta-casein has been identified by scientific research... (more)

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cliff_1 0 · December 17, 2011 at 02:40 PM

http://www.nature.com/ejcn/journal/v59/n5/abs/1602104a.html "The A1/A2 milk hypothesis was ingenious. If the scientific evidence had worked out it would have required huge adjustments in the world's dairy industries. This review concludes,... (more)

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by 6043 · November 10, 2011 at 02:29 AM

This is an offshoot question inspired by this thread. There are times when I can eat anything and not feel satisfied until I drink some milk. By what mechanism could milk uniquely satisfy hunger? EDIT: I'm now convinced that these cravings... (more)

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Anonymous_Chump 0 · October 14, 2011 at 06:12 PM

I don't crave milk. I deny the validity of your premise. :)

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by 3319 · August 16, 2011 at 07:58 PM

I live in NC. I have just discovered raw milk is illegal here for dairy farmers to sell for human consumption. After reading about the power politics behind this absurd state ban (and the only ban) on human food, I'm fixing to ditch entirely my... (more)

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Alicia__1 0 · August 16, 2011 at 05:36 PM

Raw milk is legal unless labeled for pet consumption and people are still getting raided and banned from buying even then. I remember having to order milk and eggs at the store and driving up the road to an unmarked warehouse with the receipt in... (more)

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by 883 · December 08, 2011 at 03:51 AM

I've been VLC paleo for half a year now, but haven't managed 100% compliance for more than a month or so. Some items that I tend to let slip in: Diet soda (artificial sweeteners) Reese's Peanut Butter Cups (pure sugar) A slice of birthday cake... (more)

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Jane_6 0 · July 19, 2011 at 11:24 PM

Two things on your cheats: Are you actually allergic to either dairy or gluten? If you have a sensitivity, my naturopath said, the use of these foods differs. If you've got a dairy problem, the more dairy you have, the worse your response will be.... (more)

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by 6218 · February 08, 2014 at 08:27 PM

What's interesting is that prior to the 30-day elimination I only rarely ate dairy because I thought I had lactose intolerance (gas, bloating) to ricotta, softer cheeses, and diarrhea to milk. Lactaid would eliminate these symptoms when I ate ice... (more)

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mscj 0 · February 08, 2014 at 08:27 PM

Here is a page on an actual scientific study on cross-reactivity. http://www.scirp.org/Journal/PaperInformation.aspx?paperID=26626 Hope that helps. I just found it today myself. (more)

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by 5332 · May 17, 2011 at 02:39 PM

I was under the impression that Martin Berkhan of Leangains.com recommends casein powder as the protein powder of choice. I had followed that but I am not sure of the repercussions. What are the problems with casein and does whey protein not... (more)

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Pete 0 · May 17, 2011 at 02:39 PM

It depends on the type of casein. There are a number of protocols that use Casein Hydrolysate, which is the quickest absorbing protein available (it's also expensive). One idea is to use it peri-workout in order to flood your blood with aminos... (more)

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by 2062 · July 18, 2013 at 02:57 PM

I've been thinking about adding fermented vegetables to our diet. The WAPF folk seem very keen on lacto-fermentation, and I've been considering that. Our last chick in the nest, my 16-year-old son, loves milk, cheese and yogurt, and I was... (more)

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Anjie 0 · April 03, 2011 at 04:35 PM

Cultures for Health offers a couple of starter cultures that are derived from vegetable ferments instead of whey - that may be a good option for you. When I've made sauerkraut, I've just used cabbage and salt and it turned out fine (yet... (more)

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by 2062 · February 28, 2012 at 10:24 PM

I have recently cut out dairy to see if that will help my chronic nasal congestion/drip. So far, it seems to be slowly clearing up. I'm going to miss cheese (I make one helluva primal lasagna using spaghetti squash), although I've found coconut... (more)

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qualia 0 · March 17, 2011 at 02:32 PM

yes, but to a much lesser degree. the same is true for buffalo milk products. i would estimate the adverse effects (in my case: joint pain, bowel inflammation and the typical exorphin effects) to maybe be 1/4 of those of cow milk. so, after... (more)

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by 387 · February 03, 2011 at 09:49 PM

I read somewhere that hunter gatherers were supposed to breast feed their children until 3 or 4 years of age. But now I see that human milk has casein and lactose. I'm guessing that babies get enough enzyme lactase to digest the lactose, though I... (more)

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queen_of_the_stone_age 0 · February 03, 2011 at 09:49 PM

There is a big difference between the effect of milk on the rapidly growing child and on an adult. Clearly when the milk is not even for the same species the issues are worse. Human breast milk is designed (evolved) for human babies and they are... (more)

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by 5235 · January 01, 2014 at 05:23 AM

Hullo! :) I'm a desperate woman. I miss yoghurt something fierce (and yes, I know it's not Paleo, but this is a recurrent craving that I'm having trouble ignoring as it has been nagging me for literally years), and I would love to figure out why... (more)

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Carly 0 · January 31, 2011 at 11:14 AM

From what I understand it's not the lactose in all cases that can be problematic but a protein found in dairy called Casein which can cause an inflammatory (auto immune) response. I know for me and many other goats dairy can be so much less... (more)

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by 155 · June 18, 2011 at 11:02 PM

Casein often gets a bad rap as a carcinogen however I could never find a source that was anything other than The China Study. Chris Masterjohn pokes some pretty hefty holes in the casein studies of Dr Campbell so his research on his own doesn't... (more)

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prowler 0 · June 18, 2011 at 11:02 PM

I wander why casein is not a problem for highlanders

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by 362 · March 16, 2013 at 03:07 PM

Given that it doesn't give any digestion problems, how about drinking Lactaid (100% lactose free) milk to get some calories? I am consistently losing weight (and strength) and I want to get back my PRs and gain some weight..

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Olga 0 · November 15, 2010 at 02:28 AM

Some people have trouble not with the lactose, the sugar in milk, but casein, the protein in milk. Casein has a molecular structure that is quite similar to that of gluten. For some people, me included, casein causes just as many problems as... (more)