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Are there any mainstream sources that support the tenets of paleo?

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Created March 23, 2012 at 4:12 PM

I was talking to a friend the other day about breakfast. When I told him I usually eat 4 eggs, his reaction was "what about all that cholesterol?!?!?" (Never mind that in this same conversation, he told me how much he loved his new job because of the free unlimited supply of donuts and pastries every morning. Eyeroll.).

I pointed him to some articles on MDA, but to him, Mark Sisson is "just some wacko with a website." He'll only trust news/information if it comes from a mainstream source- CNN, NYT, MSNBC, WebMD, etc.

I don't expect to find any mainstream articles that say "here's why paleo is good for you!" But I wonder if there's any support in the mainstream for individual tenets of paleo: saturated fat, cholesterol are not evil, red meat won't kill you, grains aren't good for you, etc. Or do these simply not exist? For now, I'd even settle for things like, "well, it's possible that maybe potentially theoretically egg yolks might not kill you 30 seconds after ingestion."

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690 · October 18, 2013 at 10:15 PM

Why do you say this guy is a whack-job? @AnarchyCaveman

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10176 · October 18, 2013 at 8:41 PM

I don't think the mainstream has ANY problem with paleo lifestyle, which isn't very far from Jack Lalanne. On the diet, most people not veg would subscribe to a moderate form of the diet. But there's a huge gap between believing and actually doing.

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10176 · October 18, 2013 at 8:36 PM

This guy isn't any more mainstream than the quilt.

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10176 · October 18, 2013 at 8:35 PM

Taubes is Atkins, not paleo diet, not paleo lifestyle.

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198 · October 18, 2013 at 7:29 PM

You didn't read the book, just commented on a short out of context interview.

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41422 · October 18, 2013 at 6:22 PM

That last study has been heavily criticized. There's two responses to it in AJCN. No links for them, just look around.

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2353 · October 18, 2013 at 6:05 PM

Davis is not a very credible source. He has distorted the results of clinical studies he cites.

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2353 · October 18, 2013 at 12:17 AM

There are multiple problems with the information presented in the article. See my comments after the article.

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15 · October 17, 2013 at 7:30 PM

Excellent article -- written in a very accessible way and from a source that many have heard of.

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0 · October 17, 2013 at 2:45 PM

fear mongering

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4875 · March 23, 2012 at 6:46 PM

"Your body is really made of light not flesh" - thanks for the laugh! I know a few people that think that way.

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287 · March 23, 2012 at 5:20 PM

just explain to him that "the mainstream" was that the earth was flat back in the day.... "the mainstream" was that "insert explained phenomena here" was "supernatural explanation here" etc... mainstream does not equal correct

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396 · March 23, 2012 at 4:36 PM

When I told him cholesterol wasn't all that bad, he said "prove it," that's why I pointed him to MDA, which wasn't good enough for him. If I can't find anything that fits his idea of "mainstream," then that's it, I won't try to convince him otherwise, and won't ever discuss nutrition with him again. I'm certainly not interested in that dance.

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8239 · March 23, 2012 at 4:32 PM

Thing is, one person's mainstream is another person's kook fringe. That said, the nutritional paradigm practiced by most certified nutritionists isn't paleo. Those who claim to be post-mainstream in their nutritional counseling, often veer toward veganism, colonics, raw food, and the whole "your body is really made of light not flesh" perspective. Given that your answers to your friend do not seem to have been solicited by your friend, it appears he is rejecting counsel he hasn't sought. Do you have time for that dance?

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220 · March 23, 2012 at 5:59 PM

Here are a couple to start with. Below the abstract, you will also see links to related articles and those that cite these articles. You should be able to find several more by looking at the references or following some of the links below the abstracts.

http://www.ajcn.org/content/91/3/502.abstract http://www.ajcn.org/content/early/2010/01/13/ajcn.2009.27725.abstract

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10176 · October 18, 2013 at 8:41 PM

I don't think the mainstream has ANY problem with paleo lifestyle, which isn't very far from Jack Lalanne. On the diet, most people not veg would subscribe to a moderate form of the diet. But there's a huge gap between believing and actually doing.

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141 · March 24, 2012 at 4:07 AM

Well I certainly consider the groundbreaking work of cardiologist William Davis ("Wheat Belly") to be mainstream with respect to his research methods and analytics. Of course Davis is not exactly a complete paleo advocate but he definitely calls for removing all hybrid grains from the diet. And that's a giant step toward paleo.

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10176 · October 18, 2013 at 8:36 PM

This guy isn't any more mainstream than the quilt.

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2353 · October 18, 2013 at 6:05 PM

Davis is not a very credible source. He has distorted the results of clinical studies he cites.

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1005 · October 19, 2013 at 12:58 AM

I seem to recall seeing on Prevention Magazine's website a slideshow of "7 foods that should never cross your lips" included grain-fed beef and farmed salmon, among other paleo no-nos. The Great Cholesterol Myth is another great book (my dad has a copy) that, while not exactly endorsing paleo, does debunk a lot of the CW myths and explain why high fat, low carb, paleo-style diets are effective

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24538 · October 18, 2013 at 10:33 PM

http://www.businessinsider.com/13-nutrition-lies-that-made-the-world-sick-and-fat-2013-10

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571 · October 17, 2013 at 12:58 PM

Saw this article recently: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-optimalist/201310/your-healthy-diet-could-be-quietly-killing-your-brain

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2353 · October 18, 2013 at 12:17 AM

There are multiple problems with the information presented in the article. See my comments after the article.

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15 · October 17, 2013 at 7:30 PM

Excellent article -- written in a very accessible way and from a source that many have heard of.

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0 · October 17, 2013 at 2:45 PM

fear mongering

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2353 · October 16, 2013 at 5:07 AM

Frankly, with two generations of doctors toeing the line on nutritional dogma, Davis mischaracterizing studies in support of his thesis, and with Perlmutter now peddling the irrelevant GI dogma, plus his other errors, a calorie-restricted diet, I don't give MDs much credibility as carriers of the paleo message. Better to stick with actual studies.

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4875 · March 23, 2012 at 6:49 PM

Here is an article from the NY Times:

What’s Cholesterol Got to Do With It? by Gary Taubes.

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10176 · October 18, 2013 at 8:35 PM

Taubes is Atkins, not paleo diet, not paleo lifestyle.

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1608 · March 23, 2012 at 6:14 PM

Some whack-job heart surgeon made it onto Fox News recently: http://video.foxnews.com/v/1514913209001/what-really-causes-heart-disease/?playlist_id=87485

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690 · October 18, 2013 at 10:15 PM

Why do you say this guy is a whack-job? @AnarchyCaveman

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20411 · March 23, 2012 at 6:07 PM

Eating cholesterol has no effect on cholesterol blood levels and this has been known for decades in spite of the media saying "don't eat that".

Effect of dietary egg on human serum cholesterol and triglycerides
http://www.ajcn.org/content/32/5/1051.short
"No significant increase in mean serum cholesterol was found nor was there a significant association of dietary cholesterol intake with either serum cholesterol or triglyceride."

And to boot, saturated fat has NO ASSOCIATION with heart disease. No association means that it could not possibly be causative.

Meta-analysis of prospective cohort studies evaluating the association of saturated fat with cardiovascular disease
http://www.ajcn.org/content/91/3/535.short
"A meta-analysis of prospective epidemiologic studies showed that there is no significant evidence for concluding that dietary saturated fat is associated with an increased risk of CHD or CVD."

Both published in AJCN, which is normally very fat and cholesterol phobic.

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41422 · October 18, 2013 at 6:22 PM

That last study has been heavily criticized. There's two responses to it in AJCN. No links for them, just look around.

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0 · March 23, 2012 at 5:24 PM

http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/Egg_Yolk.html Although this may be viewed as a "wacko" website, it does break down the nutrient density of eggs.

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