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Should I let go of my love of milk or not? Relevant: I have very light psoriasis, dust mite allergy.

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Updated October 21, 2014 at 4:07 AM
Created November 03, 2012 at 8:03 PM

Hey.

Now, First off I should clarify where I am at(Germany). I can probably quote and link with the best of them with 2 weeks worth of a dozen paleo blogs read, paleohacks perused and reddit browsed. Ironically enough, apparently all this will do is show me that nobody knows anything for sure, and there is more fumbling in the dark than in a "7 minutes in heaven" session. Sadly. Various PH question threads reflect this confusion, too.

Nonetheless, I have embarked on a normal( = not auto-immune protocol, I still eat tomatoes, butter, spices, etc) paleo diet, which currently mostly means pork, broccoli, savvoy cabbage, spinach tuna, grassfed butter, sauerkraut, liverwurst, chicken legs, bacon and eggs. No sugars, no gluten / no wheat of any kind, no dairy. This is now 10 days ago.

I have a normal, healthy BMI (70-75kg at 176cm), only moderate belly fat(pants waist size 30-31) and work out regularly. Before this 10 day spree of paleo, I have drunk and loved milk all my life. Not once did I feel bloated, nauseous, gassy or anything of the like. And when I say drink milk, I mean it. Like at least 1 liter per day, which, apparently, nobody else does(I guess they prefer sodas and coffee..). I also never had a problem with cheeses or magerquark ("curd cheese" I guess? The one with nearly no fat, but high in protein, casein).

So it was quite a bit of a sacrifice to no longer drink milk with my meals, although I guess with the abandoning of my pure oat flakes, I no longer really needed milk per se.

The reason I cut it out right away with all the rest were my allergies and various PH threads saying cutting out dairy helped folks with them. My psoriasis is very mild, mostly knuckles, elbows and placeIdontwannasay, but bad enough that I'd like to lose it(if stretching your knuckles in winter means getting bloody knuckles, thats just not a nice thing to have). Same with the dust mite allergy. I got a prick test from my HNO (throat-nose-ear specialist) that went rather red on dust mites(DERP or whatever, funnily enough) proving as much. I've got my encasings and all the other pamphlet BS, but it still means sleep that doesn't get you up well rested, stuffy nose, red eyes and just plain being irritated all day while at home. So definitely something I want to lose.

After these first 10 days I already feel a little bit better, though I still sneeze a little bit and my psoriasis seems the same. My eyes may or not be less red, I need to watch that some more.

TL;DR: My biggest thing simply is: I've read various people say they had real trouble reintroducing dairy after their initial 30 days / "base level" or whatever phase, but several also reported that putting dairy back into their diet actually helped them feel better. Now, not even Harris seems to like milk, and at best I can find pro-raw-milk arguments(which, given the risks of various bacteria etc pp I'd rather skip) or some for "milk type B"(goats, certain kinds of cows before they "mutated" I guess). Should I indulge in my usual (pasteurized, maybe even the evil A type)milk if I never in my life tangibly had any direct bad effects, or am I being too simplistic in my argument, as dairy may still be the prime source for my allergy susceptability?

I worry I might "lose" one of my closest yum-yum drink friends forever and live a life of bored-to-numbness, tasteless water drinkety(and no, I don't like tea or cofee, they all suck).

The one and only reason I am doing paleo is to rid me of the allergies in the first place.

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15 · November 06, 2012 at 1:30 AM

Dankeschön! I've still got showings of psoriasis, and my knuckles were pretty bad just 2-4 days ago. They seem a bit better today after not going outside, but without using any cream on them, either. I'm curious to see how they shape up after my grocery run through the cold weather tomorrow. I now have 2 weeks of zero dairy(except for Kerrygold butter), zero gluten, zero sugar behind me, but I'm still unsure what some other things like nuts or strong spices might do or factor into.

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15 · November 06, 2012 at 1:27 AM

Thanks! The feeling achey in the morning for me would be from the dust mite allergy I have. It might be subjective or the fact that I got a new bed blanket as well, but it feels like my dust mite allergy has got a bit better. Thing is, I still have about 30 cartons worth of milk mix drinks(about 40$ worth) that I am very loathe to just toss and I can't really resell to anyone I know, either. 2 weeks into my new diet, some things seem a bit better, but its not the huge leaps and bounds of improvement so many have reported(such as higher energy levels, less depression, better sex drive).

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40 · November 04, 2012 at 12:08 AM

My parent's came over from Germany, which is my first language, and we lived in Milwaukee. Last winter I was not Paleo, but trying to lose wieght and had psoriais on elbows, and front and back of lower legs (and dandruff!). After the holidays, I stopped all milk/lactose and within 1-2 months skin cleared up completely. I struggled to lose quicker weight during Spring, but over summer cut out all grains and shrunk immensely. I also lost all arthritic pain because grains were inflaming my body and joints. I found Paleo in late summer and was amazes by similarities to what I was already doing ... I am now 60 pounds lighter, clear skin, no arthritis ... and 47 years old. Feel great. Very low carb nutrition (I don'y say "diet"); eat meats, healthy fats and many vegatables with olive oil etc. Whey protein smoothie in morning with almond milk one banana and berries to stabilize insulin early in day to decrease afternoon sugar cravings; which makes me think that you may be craving sugars from milk? Stay on Paleo and your sugar needs will diminish. I enjoy sweet taste of raw organic carrots and sweet potatoes now -- not much else.

Mein bruder! Alles ist gut! Paleo fur dein leben!

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15 · November 06, 2012 at 1:30 AM

Dankeschön! I've still got showings of psoriasis, and my knuckles were pretty bad just 2-4 days ago. They seem a bit better today after not going outside, but without using any cream on them, either. I'm curious to see how they shape up after my grocery run through the cold weather tomorrow. I now have 2 weeks of zero dairy(except for Kerrygold butter), zero gluten, zero sugar behind me, but I'm still unsure what some other things like nuts or strong spices might do or factor into.

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353 · November 16, 2012 at 4:26 AM

Very similar to my story. My psoriasis started to heal after I went gluten free. Later I have learned that I had leaky gut caused by alcohol and coffee. Suntanning and going alcohol and coffee free healed my leaky gut I could even eat gluten without any ill effect. After being completely clear I did one night of drinking and few gluten cakes and three days later quarter of one nail is affected. Unintentional confirmation of what I knew already. That was month ago and being on clean diet since the nail is visibly healing already.

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10919 · November 03, 2012 at 8:47 PM

I had psoriasis and it went away when I started purposefully sunbathing and starte getting a whole lot of Iodine and Fermented cod liver oil in my diet. That said, psoriasis and allergies are a leaky gut symptom and it is DEFINETELY worth it to go without dairy for a month or two months to see if you feel better. I resisted it for 2 years so I totally feel your pain and unwillingness. It's the hardest thing I've ever had to give up. I felt better after just one week, though. It did not affect my psoriasis but it helped some other issues that I didn't even notice were issues until they were gone, like feeling creaky and achey every morning.

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15 · November 06, 2012 at 1:27 AM

Thanks! The feeling achey in the morning for me would be from the dust mite allergy I have. It might be subjective or the fact that I got a new bed blanket as well, but it feels like my dust mite allergy has got a bit better. Thing is, I still have about 30 cartons worth of milk mix drinks(about 40$ worth) that I am very loathe to just toss and I can't really resell to anyone I know, either. 2 weeks into my new diet, some things seem a bit better, but its not the huge leaps and bounds of improvement so many have reported(such as higher energy levels, less depression, better sex drive).

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