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Fish/Seafood Allergy- sub-optimal Omega 3:6 ratios and hormone imbalance

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I have had a severe fish/seafood allergy my entire life! It sucks. Basically, I've been severely Omega-3 deficient since birth. I'm trying to correct some hormonal imbalances and optimize my omega 3:6 ratios but I'm not sure the best way to go about it with this allergy. I take DHA from algae (very expensive and I don't take enough as a result). I limit exposure to seed/ vegetable oils. What else can I do? I've heard some people who are allergic to fish can handle fish oil. I can eat fish sauce...made from bones not the protein (which is the allergen). Thoughts?

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41471 · July 11, 2014 at 11:20 PM

I've not seen anything that says that. ALA is the essential omega-3 fat, the others are synthesized, albeit in tiny amounts.

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2353 · July 11, 2014 at 4:29 PM

@Matt11, it's my understanding that conversion of ALA to DHA frequently doesn't happen at all in humans, due to insufficency of one or more enzymes required by the 5-step conversion process in our bodies. Is there evidence to the contrary?

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0 · July 11, 2014 at 1:24 PM

Thanks! That's interesting to know. I am definitely allergic to shellfish! Everytime I'm around muscles, lobster ect I swell up and get hives :( I'm going to try some fish oil caps this weekend and see what happens!

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95 · July 11, 2014 at 4:44 AM

I've had to use my epi-pen with salmon, smelt and cod, but have no reaction from salmon oil capsules nor cod liver oil. Although, now I'm off fish oils in favor of eating more shellfish which I am NOT allergic to.

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0 · July 09, 2014 at 1:33 AM

Just found this on the health canada website...I'm nervous to try but think I'll give it a shot...with epi pen in hand!

http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/fn-an/pubs/securit/2012-allergen_fish-poisson/index-eng.php

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0 · July 09, 2014 at 1:31 AM

Thanks! Yes, I do eat some chia but not much. I feel like I don't digest it at all :) I don't want to overdo it on flax (phytoestrogen) as I don't currently menstruate (haven't for 7yrs and I'm 34). I do take a DHA from algae and flax daily.

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41471 · July 08, 2014 at 4:52 PM

There used to be the fish oil calculator (Robb Wolf approved!) that would often spit out numbers like 40-60 g of fish oil a day. That was for folks who consumed conventional oils and it was all about "balance", not about reasonable total amounts of PUFA.

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41471 · July 08, 2014 at 4:50 PM

The super low ratios (1:1-3:1) just aren't reasonable without massive fish oil supplementation, and that used to be the norm in paleo. PUFAs are quite common in nature, most animal sources are roughly 10-20% PUFA, beef/ruminants being the exception. If you start playing around with a varied paleo diet, it's practically impossible to reach such ratios; you'll naturally tend towards a 10:1 ratio ballpark. If you ate nothing but coconut oil, beef and fish, you could get down to 1:1, simply by consuming unnaturally low PUFAs, mostly concentrated omega-3s.

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83 · July 08, 2014 at 4:15 PM

If the ideal 6:3 is 10:1 then olive oil is spot on, but if the optimal is 1:1 then it's not that great. I eat about 70% of calories from fat and find the only way to get my ratio anywhere near 1:1 is to eat lots of oily fish for most of my protein and lots of saturated fats (ghee/coco oil) with my veggies. I still have an avocado, some olives, and a few tablespoons of a nice spicy EVOO (which i could drink straight it tastes so nice) almost daily. Not sure if Krill oil is a good possible option for the OP?

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1146 · July 08, 2014 at 3:11 PM

Matt, do you think Omega 6 consumption isnt an issue as long as it isn't coming from grain oils?Does it make a difference if I consume 30 grams of omega 6 from almonds, avocados, and eggs as opposed to rancid grain oils. I have lately been leaning more towards a high plant fat intake and I seem to be less inflamed then on a high saturated fat intake.

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26182 · July 08, 2014 at 2:02 PM

Truth, There are a lot of good olive oils out there. As long as you are getting pure EVOO you are good. Agree with Matt that flavor is key.

Personally I love Italian and Spanish olive oils, but I will buy high end, and keep those for finishing oils. Try out the Argentinian and Australian varieties for marinades, sauces and dressings. And for cooking I like to use Extra Light Olive Oil -- higher smoke point and lighter flavor -- allows you to cook any cuisine without the "Mediterranean" flavors over powering your curry.

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5356 · July 08, 2014 at 1:08 PM

I've honestly never bought one that I've not liked the flavour, I know they're out there, but so far so good. I can't say that i've ever had a spanish variety so I'll take a look. There's a place near me called Oliv, and all they sell is olive oils.

I use two measured tablespoons per salad I have, and I've recently started doing two salads a day..part of this is me wanting to add the omega 3 aspect of the oil..but I'm having a hard time finding out specific information on quantities that might put me in the "too much of a good thing" catagory...so you figure I'm using too much or too little?

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41471 · July 08, 2014 at 12:06 PM

Buy one you like the flavor of. I tend to get Spanish olive oils, they just seem to have more flavor than Italian or others. Plus side, they also tend to be a couple bucks cheaper.

How much? It's my primary cooking oil, so that's why I consume so much. A couple turns in a pan twice a day? Unlike some, I don't have issues getting enough to eat, so I do have to control my fat consumption (probably has something to do with the non-paleo things I eat).

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5356 · July 08, 2014 at 7:16 AM

Matt - Is there any particular brand name of EVOO you can recommend? Is there anything specific I should look for in the type of oil? I know some higher end EVOO can be pricey, but I've also learned the hard way that more expensive doesn't always mean it's the best.

Also, how many table spoons of EVOO a day do you think would be optimal?

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0 · July 08, 2014 at 2:18 AM

Also should add that I'm allergic to all forms of dairy (including ghee) so grassfed dairy is out.

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8100 · July 14, 2014 at 10:55 PM

The key here is ratio. If you are doing all you can within your dietary restrictions to boost O3, the other side of the equation is to REDUCE O6. That means steadfastly avoiding processed oils, and reducing foods with high ratios of O6--e.g. chicken, nuts and seeds.

Don't forget (as pointed out by others) that pastured meat and dairy have fairly good ratios of O3.

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5 · July 13, 2014 at 11:25 AM

Freshly ground flaxseed and grassfed ruminants. Kurt Harris had a reference showing grassfed ruminants' products(or sth like grassfed beef meat specifically) increase blood epa/dha levels more than can be explained by the amount of them found inside it.

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0 · July 09, 2014 at 1:31 AM

What I'm really curious about is if anyone with a fish allergy can tollerate fish oil supplements? I've heard this in the past and want to hear from anyone who may have tried?

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0 · July 09, 2014 at 1:33 AM

Just found this on the health canada website...I'm nervous to try but think I'll give it a shot...with epi pen in hand!

http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/fn-an/pubs/securit/2012-allergen_fish-poisson/index-eng.php

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2318 · July 08, 2014 at 4:19 PM

Omega 3 superstars in the plant world are algae, flax oil and flaxseeds and chia seeds. Have you considered getting a flaxseed or chia seed oil supplement? You could blend the oil into smoothies, soups or drizzle it on dishes if you like the flavour. You can also try supplementing with the ground up seeds as well.

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0 · July 09, 2014 at 1:31 AM

Thanks! Yes, I do eat some chia but not much. I feel like I don't digest it at all :) I don't want to overdo it on flax (phytoestrogen) as I don't currently menstruate (haven't for 7yrs and I'm 34). I do take a DHA from algae and flax daily.

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41471 · July 08, 2014 at 2:38 AM

You don't need to consume fish oil to get enough omega-3s. In fact, you'll do just fine consuming ALA (plant-sourced omega-3s) and letting your body do the conversion to EPA/DHA as needed. Yes, the conversion is low, but that's because our bodies needs are low.

Stick to whole foods rich in ALA: walnuts and fresh ground flaxseed, for example.

As long as you don't consume too much refined oils, you'll be fine in terms of omega ratio. You can consume as much olive oil as you like though, the ratio is spot on. Plus it has more MUFA than you can shake a stick at!

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5356 · July 08, 2014 at 7:16 AM

Matt - Is there any particular brand name of EVOO you can recommend? Is there anything specific I should look for in the type of oil? I know some higher end EVOO can be pricey, but I've also learned the hard way that more expensive doesn't always mean it's the best.

Also, how many table spoons of EVOO a day do you think would be optimal?

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2353 · July 11, 2014 at 4:29 PM

@Matt11, it's my understanding that conversion of ALA to DHA frequently doesn't happen at all in humans, due to insufficency of one or more enzymes required by the 5-step conversion process in our bodies. Is there evidence to the contrary?

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1146 · July 08, 2014 at 3:11 PM

Matt, do you think Omega 6 consumption isnt an issue as long as it isn't coming from grain oils?Does it make a difference if I consume 30 grams of omega 6 from almonds, avocados, and eggs as opposed to rancid grain oils. I have lately been leaning more towards a high plant fat intake and I seem to be less inflamed then on a high saturated fat intake.

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83 · July 08, 2014 at 4:15 PM

If the ideal 6:3 is 10:1 then olive oil is spot on, but if the optimal is 1:1 then it's not that great. I eat about 70% of calories from fat and find the only way to get my ratio anywhere near 1:1 is to eat lots of oily fish for most of my protein and lots of saturated fats (ghee/coco oil) with my veggies. I still have an avocado, some olives, and a few tablespoons of a nice spicy EVOO (which i could drink straight it tastes so nice) almost daily. Not sure if Krill oil is a good possible option for the OP?

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