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Too much spinach and kale?

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Updated September 16, 2014 at 7:45 PM
Created May 15, 2012 at 9:12 PM

I've been having some hypothyroidism symptoms for about the past month. Lack of energy, weakness, depression, slower muscle recovery, cold fingers, crappy workouts etc...I eat a couple handfuls of spinach and kale with every meal..I started to lightly cook them but It hasn't seemed to help.

I really can't figure out why I'm feeling so crappy. I used to to have a six pack of abs...I've gained 5 pounds and now I'm even losing that. It's frustrating.

I'm wondering if I'm blocking some kind of nutrient? I also eat a lot of sunflower seeds and soaked almonds...

Any thoughts?...

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0 · December 03, 2013 at 7:01 PM

I think Shannon was trying to offer positive insight, and she does address the question of spinach/kale. This is paleo-hacks, not super strict paleo-hacks. Some people choose to include select non-paleo foods into their diet to support their training - you have to listen to your body. PS Rich Froning swears by whey protein and peanut butter, neither of which are paleo...

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2341 · September 07, 2013 at 1:28 AM

I'm out of my slump..still eating kale and spinach consistently but not in the same quantities I've been eating a lot of potatoes...like ~20lbs a week. I still have slight hypothyroidism syndromes but they are very manageable. The only advice I have is to make sure your eating enough carbs and see if that helps. I know potatoes have oxalic acid and goitrogens but It sounds like that might not be the problem in the first place. Also maybe cut out eggs if you eat a lot of them. I know some people have bad egg allergies. Good luck. I know how it feels.

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2341 · September 07, 2013 at 1:28 AM

but i think i definitely eat too many sunflower seeds and almonds.

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3280 · June 02, 2013 at 5:47 AM

Well, did u cut the oxalates to see what happened?

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4181 · February 23, 2013 at 3:49 PM

'I limit them to 1-2 cups in a day' that's loads!

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1074 · January 05, 2013 at 9:47 AM

cut the veggies/fibers man. just go with safe starches + meats/seafood/fats. everything else gotta go. see how you feel then. if not better, then just do meats/seafood/fat alone w/o the starches. it'll work.

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2341 · November 22, 2012 at 1:55 AM

I'm out of my slump..still eating kale and spinach consistently but not in the same quantities. I switched it up and I've been eating a lot of potatoes...like ~20lbs a week. I still have slight hypothyroidism symptoms but they are very manageable. The only advice I have is to make sure your eating enough carbs and see if that helps. I know potatoes have oxalic acid and goitrogens but It sounds like that might not be the problem in the first place. Good luck. I know how it feels

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2341 · November 22, 2012 at 1:53 AM

I'm out of my slump..still eating kale and spinach consistently but not in the same quantities. I switched it up and I've been eating a lot of potatoes...like ~20lbs a week. I still have slight hypothyroidism syndromes but they are very manageable. The only advice I have is to make sure your eating enough carbs and see if that helps. I know potatoes have oxalic acid and goitrogens but It sounds like that might not be the problem in the first place. Good luck. I know how it feels.

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372 · May 19, 2012 at 5:57 PM

Go down to half a handfull a day if you can. Less if possible. I know it is difficult but you will see results.

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3521 · May 18, 2012 at 12:05 AM

Soreness and fatigue. I was always sleepy and tired.

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2341 · May 17, 2012 at 9:54 PM

Might be an issue since I eat a pretty considerable amount at every meal...I'm going to cut it for a few days and then reintroduce either spinach or kale in about a week but at much smaller quantities. Thanks!

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2341 · May 17, 2012 at 9:43 PM

Question: were some of your symptoms of feeling like 'crap' muscle soreness & weakness, crappy workouts, depression, weight gain, and overeating?

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2341 · May 17, 2012 at 9:24 PM

i eat a lot of egss and canned salmon. & a little bit of chicken

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2341 · May 17, 2012 at 9:23 PM

thanks!...will do

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2341 · May 17, 2012 at 9:23 PM

i'll try...but i don't think i can cut them completely

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2341 · May 17, 2012 at 9:21 PM

yeah...lots of carrots and sweet potatoes. beets occasionally.

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2341 · May 17, 2012 at 9:20 PM

damn...i hope your right. I'm going to cut way down for about a week and see what happens. I'm literally eating a huge bag of kale or spinach every week.

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6087 · May 16, 2012 at 6:46 AM

Solved my hypothyroid nonsense instantly.

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3280 · May 15, 2012 at 11:47 PM

Wow!that is surprising! Thanks!

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12642 · May 15, 2012 at 10:23 PM

+1 http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=george&dbid=47

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1489 · May 15, 2012 at 9:14 PM

Get your thyroid checked? Since going low carb ive had a worsening of hypothyroid like symptoms including the ones youve listed plus 10kg weight gain. Im having my full thyroid blood panel checked on friday. If not try upping glucose like sweet potato. You might need the carbs! Especially if training.

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85 · May 15, 2012 at 10:18 PM

Spinach and kale are few of the list of goitragenic foods that block absorption of iodine and thus depress thyroid function.

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2341 · May 17, 2012 at 9:54 PM

Might be an issue since I eat a pretty considerable amount at every meal...I'm going to cut it for a few days and then reintroduce either spinach or kale in about a week but at much smaller quantities. Thanks!

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3280 · May 15, 2012 at 11:47 PM

Wow!that is surprising! Thanks!

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12642 · May 15, 2012 at 10:23 PM

+1 http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=george&dbid=47

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3521 · May 16, 2012 at 1:35 AM

YES!!! I was eating a ton of spinach and kale, I am talking a couple cups a day, everyday, and I was feeling like crap. I had trouble sleeping and back chills. All symptoms disappeared when I stopped consuming them so often.

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3521 · May 18, 2012 at 12:05 AM

Soreness and fatigue. I was always sleepy and tired.

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2341 · May 17, 2012 at 9:43 PM

Question: were some of your symptoms of feeling like 'crap' muscle soreness & weakness, crappy workouts, depression, weight gain, and overeating?

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2341 · May 17, 2012 at 9:20 PM

damn...i hope your right. I'm going to cut way down for about a week and see what happens. I'm literally eating a huge bag of kale or spinach every week.

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48 · May 15, 2012 at 9:52 PM

The only thing I could think of with the spinach and kale would be a build up of alkaloids, but you would have to eat quite a bit of it. You could try a larger rotation of greens. Instead of just eating those two, cycle through seven to ten different varieties.

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6087 · May 16, 2012 at 6:46 AM

Glucose .

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6087 · May 16, 2012 at 6:46 AM

Solved my hypothyroid nonsense instantly.

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15226 · May 16, 2012 at 2:30 AM

They are also high in oxalates. Are you also eating beets, carrots, and sweet potatoes?

Try reducing foods that are high in oxalates.

http://www.childrensdayton.org/cms/resource_library/nephrology_files/5f5dec8807c77c52/lithiasis__oxalate_and_diet.pdf

http://www.ohf.org/docs/Oxalate2008.pdf

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2341 · May 17, 2012 at 9:21 PM

yeah...lots of carrots and sweet potatoes. beets occasionally.

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372 · May 16, 2012 at 1:19 AM

Nuts. Get rid of them.

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372 · May 19, 2012 at 5:57 PM

Go down to half a handfull a day if you can. Less if possible. I know it is difficult but you will see results.

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2341 · May 17, 2012 at 9:23 PM

i'll try...but i don't think i can cut them completely

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3979 · May 15, 2012 at 10:17 PM

You can definitely overdo it with nuts and seeds. Try getting different sources of protein? Cold water fish, perhaps?

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2341 · September 07, 2013 at 1:28 AM

but i think i definitely eat too many sunflower seeds and almonds.

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2341 · May 17, 2012 at 9:24 PM

i eat a lot of egss and canned salmon. & a little bit of chicken

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10 · November 21, 2012 at 12:50 AM

Just thought I'd add my experience... All this past year I was gorging on all sorts of raw foods high in oxalic acid and also ones that are goitrogens. I'd buy big bags of mixed baby spinach/bok choy/swiss chard. Water cress (loved that). I also would pick up buy one get one blueberries and strawberries and, so they wouldn't spoil, I would eat them up like they were going out of style. I also ate an ounce or 2 of almonds daily plus other nuts and seeds. This was part of my health kick of antioxidants and flavanoids. I thought, hey, it must be good for me. What could go wrong? This fall I started getting crazy symptoms like muscle twitches all over, muscle aches and other weird feelings, trouble swallowing, tightness around my throat and pain on one side of my neck, pressure in left ear, exercise intolerance, terrible fatigue. I have been to the doctor and my TSH level was normal. Magnesium, calcium, potassium etc.. ok too. I read about oxalates and their possible effect on thyroid functioning and I started to make the connection. I stopped all the high oxalate foods weeks ago but the symptoms continue. Driving me insane and fearful of something neuro. Doc referred me to neurologist next (scary) but I am wondering if I should see an endocrinologist first for more thyroid testing etc...

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2341 · September 07, 2013 at 1:28 AM

I'm out of my slump..still eating kale and spinach consistently but not in the same quantities I've been eating a lot of potatoes...like ~20lbs a week. I still have slight hypothyroidism syndromes but they are very manageable. The only advice I have is to make sure your eating enough carbs and see if that helps. I know potatoes have oxalic acid and goitrogens but It sounds like that might not be the problem in the first place. Also maybe cut out eggs if you eat a lot of them. I know some people have bad egg allergies. Good luck. I know how it feels.

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3280 · June 02, 2013 at 5:47 AM

Well, did u cut the oxalates to see what happened?

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2341 · November 22, 2012 at 1:55 AM

I'm out of my slump..still eating kale and spinach consistently but not in the same quantities. I switched it up and I've been eating a lot of potatoes...like ~20lbs a week. I still have slight hypothyroidism symptoms but they are very manageable. The only advice I have is to make sure your eating enough carbs and see if that helps. I know potatoes have oxalic acid and goitrogens but It sounds like that might not be the problem in the first place. Good luck. I know how it feels

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2341 · November 22, 2012 at 1:53 AM

I'm out of my slump..still eating kale and spinach consistently but not in the same quantities. I switched it up and I've been eating a lot of potatoes...like ~20lbs a week. I still have slight hypothyroidism syndromes but they are very manageable. The only advice I have is to make sure your eating enough carbs and see if that helps. I know potatoes have oxalic acid and goitrogens but It sounds like that might not be the problem in the first place. Good luck. I know how it feels.

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315 · May 16, 2012 at 4:43 AM

I have hypothyroidism also and while I do eat dark greens, I limit them to 1-2 cups in a day. I haven't noticed any increase in my symptoms (granted I'm on medication - Armour Thyroid - and you didn't specify whether or not you were). I'd suggest cutting back on your leafy greens for a week and reevaluating how you feel.

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4181 · February 23, 2013 at 3:49 PM

'I limit them to 1-2 cups in a day' that's loads!

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2341 · May 17, 2012 at 9:23 PM

thanks!...will do

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1794 · May 15, 2012 at 10:10 PM

Too much beta carotene, not enough Retinol?

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60 · April 29, 2014 at 11:09 AM

The hydrolysis of some glucosinolates found in Kale and Spinach(e.g., progoitrin) yields a compound called Goitrin that interfere with thyroid hormone synthesis. The hydrolysis of different class called indole glucosimolates releases thiocyanate ions that iodine for uptake by the thyroid gland.

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You don't have to completely cut these healthy greens out of your diet, but you do have to make sure to have a good iodine intake while you eat them. I have a green smoothie every morning with 1/4 tsp kelp powder in it (you can't taste it). When I make my bone broth, I always add seaweed. If I have a lot of goitrogenic foods in a day, I will eat a piece of nori (like what sushi comes wrapped in). The mitochondria need iodine to function properly. Check out Dr. Terry Wahls' books, Minding My Mitochondria and The Wahls Protocol. I am using the Wahls diet to successfully manage depression.

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0 · June 27, 2013 at 7:31 PM

Shannon, this is paleo hacks. Your meal plan of grains and whey is not really paleo/primal. And the grains in the bagel is not even a grey area, it's a no/no. Your diet is entirely carb laden, and also includes legumes/sugar (peanut butter) and I am sorry to come across as rude but this question is about spinach/kale and it's relationship with the paleo diet/lifestyle.

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0 · December 03, 2013 at 7:01 PM

I think Shannon was trying to offer positive insight, and she does address the question of spinach/kale. This is paleo-hacks, not super strict paleo-hacks. Some people choose to include select non-paleo foods into their diet to support their training - you have to listen to your body. PS Rich Froning swears by whey protein and peanut butter, neither of which are paleo...

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0 · June 01, 2013 at 11:52 PM

you CAN overdose on Kale. btw. it can make your thyroid all out of whack.

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No name calling DOCTOR FEELGOOD or we are going to change your name to DOCTOR FEELBAD!

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800 · May 16, 2012 at 1:15 AM

Check your ferritin, iron, and total iron binding capacity (TBC). Spinach is rich in iron, and iron overload could be the cause of low energy. Generally speaking, you want serum iron to be a small fraction of your TBC.

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-2 · February 23, 2013 at 2:59 PM

I agree with Dr. Feelgood. I eat fresh, leaf baby spinach each and everyday with 1/2 onion bagel, toasted with real butter and garlic power and one orange for breakfast. I finish off a whey protein drink (with water) after my workout and man do I feel good!! It gives me the energy I need to alternate my workouts (gravity force trainer - weights and kettle bell. Later in the day I always add another protein drink with kale, frozen berries and flax seed! It is so good for you and you don't even taste the kale. Dinner is always healthy too (salmon, broccoli with feta, and piece of fruit). Evening snack is yogurt or apple with peanut butter, or the other half of my bagel from breakfast. Drink tons of water too!

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You guys are idiots. Stop taking advice from the freelance "doctors and nutritionists" on message boards. They have know idea why you don't feel well. Hypothyroidism is what you are diagnosed with when they don't know why you are really sick. Kinda like autism and fibromayalgia (forgive spelling). Yes, some people have these sicknesses but probably less than 2% that are diagnosed with them. You are not going to overdose on kale and spinach. Try eating more fat and protein. Get the proper amount and you will feel better. It this diet is so good then why do you feel so horrible. The body needs fat and protein to function. You will not get enough of either one with this diet. Want to feel good, lose weight and be healthy? 50% calories from fat, 25% protein, 25% carbs. The carbs need to be mostly veggies and fruit. The only thing the paleo diet is good for is getting people to stop eating additives(poison). The only thing harmful in kale and spinach are the pesticides and preservatives they are sprayed, coated and packaged with. I'd imagine its tough to eat that much of leafy greens and still afford to buy organic. You better be washing the hell out of it. Even more so if it comes in plastic.

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