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Rapid fat gain from saturated fats

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Created June 15, 2014 at 7:01 PM

When I eat saturated fats I rapidly start gaining fat, does anyone else experience this or know the mechanism behind it? Ii have tested it multiple times by cutting out sat fats and reintroducing them again, within one or two days of replacing plant fats with beef fat, I can see the fat starting to accumulate mostly around my belly, this happens despite the exact same calories and macronutrient ratios. I can even be in a 500 calorie deficit and the same thing will happen.

It's annoying as clearly there are health and hormonal benefits to saturated fat consumption, but I don't fancy being overweight by eating them!

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17103 · June 21, 2014 at 6:23 PM

Dr. Davis has a weird blog post on how butter raises insulin, I can't find it anymore, but here's a critique:

http://high-fat-nutrition.blogspot.com/2010/03/but...

Not sure how true this is. I haven't had issues from butter.

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4393 · June 19, 2014 at 10:48 PM

apart from the increase in fat around your belly when you swap unsaturated fats for saturated fats, does your weight increase as well ?

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17103 · June 17, 2014 at 12:14 AM

I'M SERIAL! :)

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17103 · June 17, 2014 at 12:14 AM

trololololo

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10176 · June 16, 2014 at 3:37 PM

You can get bloat that fast, which appears to be fat. As my South Alabama friends observed looking at a Chicago stuffed pizza "it's gonna swell on me".

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10176 · June 16, 2014 at 3:34 PM

Well manbearpig can. Why not me?

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xf69EEL3WBk

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26182 · June 16, 2014 at 1:57 PM

you can be HCLF or LCHF or MCMF -- you cannot be HCHF

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4393 · June 16, 2014 at 4:23 AM

the OP is Not low carb, taken from the comments under the question, the OP says; "I maintain on around 2700 calories, with a 60/20/20 split of carb/protein/fat"

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690 · June 15, 2014 at 11:18 PM

@Yhickfoe As @paleot says ... if it's working for you, stick with it.

I happen to have lost 30 lbs (220 to 190 @ 6') by eating more like 20/30/50 split of carb/protein/fat. And I'm @ stable weight / bodyfat for more than a year.

I feel great & I'm never starving / craving.

btw you didn't respond to my request for hard data.

What are carbs like?

Age? Gender? Height? Weight? Waist? Numbers matters... you mention belly fat...does your waist grow? Is it bloating?

Meat & nuts have different macros....

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690 · June 15, 2014 at 11:11 PM

@paleot Bingo!

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1005 · June 15, 2014 at 8:35 PM

If that's what feels best and keeps you happy, stick with it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipogenesis#Control_a...

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC108386...

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0 · June 15, 2014 at 8:06 PM

Why is that a problem? High carb and low fat is the only way I have been able to get and stay lean, approx 10% bodyfat. Low carb high fat made me sick and fat, I stopped that way of eating a long time ago, never felt better eating this way.

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1005 · June 15, 2014 at 8:01 PM

405 grams of carbs a day? Well there's your problem.

http://i.imgur.com/pdPRXfA.png

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0 · June 15, 2014 at 7:51 PM

I have been tracking daily everything that I eat on fitday.com for over 5 years so this is not a mistake. Tracking and monitoring results from different foods for all this time makes you very aware of what diets and foods work and don't work on your body.

I maintain on around 2700 calories, with a 60/20/20 split of carb/protein/fat.

Plant fats are avocados and cashews. If I swap these for grass fed beef fat (same amount of fat and calories) I start gaining, all other factors are the same, workout with weights 3 times a week, 3 1 hour walks per week.

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690 · June 15, 2014 at 7:30 PM

Hmmm.... let;s see the hard data

How exactly are you replacing plant fats with beef fat?

Food types & qtys

Weight & waist measurements

Activity

Hard to believe these results....

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41452 · June 15, 2014 at 7:13 PM

The imagination is a crazy thing.

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60 · June 19, 2014 at 11:58 AM

It is recommended to limit the saturated fats amount to less than 7 percent of total daily calories. That is in 2000 calories not more then 140 of them should be directly from saturated fats, which count up to 16 grams. Eating nuts and fish instead of foods with tropical oils can help in gaining this ratio of saturated fats. The excess consumption of saturated fat causes increase in the fat in the abdomen and liver. Over consumption of saturated fats also can turn on specific genes in fatty tissue, which increases storage of fat resulting in deposition of tummy fat around belly. Over consumption of saturated fats causes visceral fat accumulation a faster rate. The only health related or fat deposition with the saturated fat is due to the over consumption.

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41452 · June 16, 2014 at 2:33 PM

Within 2 days you see fat deposits your belly? Yeah, mhmm.

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10176 · June 16, 2014 at 3:37 PM

You can get bloat that fast, which appears to be fat. As my South Alabama friends observed looking at a Chicago stuffed pizza "it's gonna swell on me".

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17103 · June 16, 2014 at 10:27 AM

Yeah, well some people do better on higher carbs, others on high carbs:

http://rockstarresearch.com/these-5-genes-predict-...

I wonder if you'd see the same effect with say, coconut oil as it's about 50% saturated fat.

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26182 · June 16, 2014 at 1:57 PM

you can be HCLF or LCHF or MCMF -- you cannot be HCHF

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10176 · June 16, 2014 at 3:34 PM

Well manbearpig can. Why not me?

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xf69EEL3WBk

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4393 · June 16, 2014 at 4:19 AM

apart from the increase in fat around your belly when you swap unsaturated fats for saturated fats, does your weight increase?

...if not, then you may just be 'moving' body fat from one place to another. looking at some study refs (link below), saturated fats are mainly deposited around the middle whereas unsaturated fats are mainly deposited around the butt & thighs.

a few study refs can be found here: thigh-and-buttock-fat-depots-more-unsaturated-than-abdominal-fat-depots

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0 · June 16, 2014 at 1:36 AM

Well, if you're sure your carb intake is very low, as in 70g per day or lower, preferably 20g per day if you're seeing this effect... then I'd say this effect has something to do with your genetics and you may want to get a 23andme or similar company to give you a rundown of your code. For the moment, stick to the fats that work for you, and stay at the generally acceptable level of 30% fat (of calories) until you figure out what's causing you harm.

Another thought: Maybe it's a liver fluke? Or a pathogenic bacteria? The flora in your gut should be eating only/mostly carbs, but if you have one of these two (girardia is one that I think might eat fat, but you should check with a doctor for a clearer list), it can react to extra fat in the same bloating way that people react to carbs. Just covering the bases. See a gastro if you already have a relationship with one.

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the OP is Not low carb, taken from the comments under the question, the OP says; "I maintain on around 2700 calories, with a 60/20/20 split of carb/protein/fat" ()

Ahh, well then I guess it's pretty obvious what the problem is. A typical Paleo eating plan involves eating meat and salad as the primary meal, maybe an omelet for breakfast, but it's often very low carb, much lower than the OP is experiencing. A typical day for me (although I'm not a perfect example because I'm also ketogenic) has me at less than a single gram of total sugar (including fruit), and about 20 g carbs, 40g protein, and 150g fat... most of that is saturated fat, my preference is beef fat. On most days I don't even need to take a multivitamin because I hit most of my nutrition targets according to cron-o-meter's nutrition tracker.

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4393 · June 16, 2014 at 4:23 AM

the OP is Not low carb, taken from the comments under the question, the OP says; "I maintain on around 2700 calories, with a 60/20/20 split of carb/protein/fat"

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10176 · June 15, 2014 at 7:54 PM

Yes. Butter is the worst for weight gain. Strangely, eating fatty meats like duck and bacon has no effect.

If you're VLC I wouldn't expect as much effect. It takes carbs and fats together to get the worst gains.

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17103 · June 21, 2014 at 6:23 PM

Dr. Davis has a weird blog post on how butter raises insulin, I can't find it anymore, but here's a critique:

http://high-fat-nutrition.blogspot.com/2010/03/but...

Not sure how true this is. I haven't had issues from butter.

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