most recent 30 from http://paleohacks.com 2013-05-19T09:25:37Z http://paleohacks.com/feeds/question/135763 http://www.creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/2.5/rdf http://paleohacks.com/questions/135763/if-inflammation-is-bad-and-saturated-fats-are-good-then alligator 2012-07-16T15:13:13Z 2012-10-21T15:01:46Z

<p>If inflammation is bad, and saturated fats are good-then why according to nutrition data.com are saturated fats like butter and coconut oil "highly inflammatory" and yet paleo dogma says they're good and anti-inflammatory? </p>

http://paleohacks.com/questions/135763/if-inflammation-is-bad-and-saturated-fats-are-good-then/135767#135767 RaiseFitness 2012-07-16T15:18:32Z 2012-07-16T15:18:32Z

<p>First off, not all inflammation is bad, your body requires it. What is bad is systemic low chronic inflammation. Secondly, not all fats are good. And just calling "saturated fats" inflammatory is not quite accurate. There are different breakdowns of saturated fats, some are and some aren't. </p>

http://paleohacks.com/questions/135763/if-inflammation-is-bad-and-saturated-fats-are-good-then/135776#135776 Ryan 2012-07-16T15:43:57Z 2012-07-16T15:43:57Z

<p>The Paleo Diet doesn't recommend eating excess coconut oil. It just serves its purpose for cooking better than other oils. It does not go rancid when cooked over high head. Most ignorant Americans cook with olive oil -- what they don't know is olive oil goes rancid above 350*, creating free radicals.</p> <p>Don't be afraid of fat, but don't go crazy with it either...</p>

http://paleohacks.com/questions/135763/if-inflammation-is-bad-and-saturated-fats-are-good-then/135782#135782 August 2012-07-16T16:51:54Z 2012-07-16T16:51:54Z

<p>What does this term 'highly inflammatory' mean? We know and understand the inflammatory potential of Omega-6, for instance, because of the role they play with the prostaglandins.<br> What is the mechanism by which butter and coconut oil contributes to inflammation?</p> <p>And, of course, I am walking around in a body has responded very favorably to butter, ghee, and saturated fat in general, though not coconut oil because I seem to be allergic to one of the transporter proteins. </p> <p>To go further, properly speaking, the paleo 'dogmatists', if there are any, would be researchers like Eaton, and Cordain. I don't think they recommend butter at all, and I recently heard Eaton recommend staying away from red meat, favoring meat sources that had less saturated fat in it. You are hearing ardent, pro-saturated fat from the people who aren't dogmatists but pracitioners- i.e. we have tried it and it is good. If you are really going to throw around religious terms us ardently pro-saturated fat types are probably better termed paleo-heretics.</p>

http://paleohacks.com/questions/135763/if-inflammation-is-bad-and-saturated-fats-are-good-then/135787#135787 miked 2012-07-16T17:21:19Z 2012-07-16T17:21:19Z

<p>In addition to the other good answers here, I also want to add that most of the agencies giving advice don't actually know what saturated fat is. That is, they know the definition, but they don't know real world examples. They'll point to a burger and fries and say that it is full of saturated fat and will kill you. But most of what would be in a typical burger is vegetable oil and carbs. So when "they" say that saturated fat is bad, they actually aren't pointing to saturated fat.</p>

http://paleohacks.com/questions/135763/if-inflammation-is-bad-and-saturated-fats-are-good-then/135795#135795 Mscott 2012-07-16T17:48:16Z 2012-07-16T17:48:16Z

<p>That site is wack. It also says <a href="http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/fruits-and-fruit-juices/1851/2" rel="nofollow">blueberries</a> are "mildy inflammatory". I would not use it to determine which foods are inflammatory.</p>

http://paleohacks.com/questions/135763/if-inflammation-is-bad-and-saturated-fats-are-good-then/135799#135799 Stephen 2012-07-16T17:57:27Z 2012-07-16T17:57:27Z

<p>There is one problem with nutritiondata.com:</p> <p><em>There are no references.</em></p> <p>How am I supposed to know if what they claim there is on the level? If you are going to claim that something is inflammatory, then back it up. <em>Coconut milk</em> is inflammatory? <em>According to whom</em>?</p> <p>In fact -- that's a great idea! while we're here, let's take a look at where this information comes from.</p> <p><em>clicks link</em></p> <p>Hmnn...</p> <blockquote> <p>The IF Rating™ System</p> <p>Monica Reinagel, a noted nutritional researcher, is the creator of the IF (Inflammation Factor) Rating™ system. Before creating her system, she spent years studying systemic inflammation, and compiled data from hundreds of different research studies. Her system considers the inflammatory and anti-inflammatory effects of more than 20 separate nutrients. In Nutrition Data's opinion, this rating system is the most sophisticated approach to date for predicting the inflammatory effects of foods.</p> <p>Early in 2006, Monica authored the book The Inflammation Free Diet Plan, which provides simple guidelines for using her system to plan your diet, and includes IF Ratings for 1,500 common foods. Nutrition Data recommends this book to anyone considering using the advice of the IF Rating™ system. You can also learn more by visiting InflammationFactor.com.</p> </blockquote> <p>The first warning sign is language like this:</p> <p>"Monica Reinagel, <em>a noted nutritional researcher...</em>"</p> <p>If you have to tell people you're notable, you aren't. (The moment I read something along the lines of "...has appeared on CNN, MSNBC, Fox, [insert cable channel desperate to fill airtime here]", I move on.)</p> <p>"Before creating her system, <em>she spent years studying systemic inflammation, and compiled data from hundreds of different research studies.</em>"</p> <p>Hundreds and hundreds, for years... and years and years. Maybe two? Maybe ten? In a lab, or in the den?</p> <p>It gets better:</p> <p>"Her system considers the inflammatory and anti-inflammatory effects of more than 20 separate nutrients. <em>In Nutrition Data's opinion</em>, this rating system is the most sophisticated approach to date for predicting the inflammatory effects of foods."</p> <p>Right, thanks for the tip! I'll be sure to add Nutrition Data to my list of journals to read.</p> <p>"Early in 2006, Monica authored the book The Inflammation Free Diet Plan, which provides simple guidelines for using her system to plan your diet, and includes IF Ratings for 1,500 common foods. Nutrition Data recommends this book to anyone considering using the advice of the IF Rating™ system. You can also learn more by visiting InflammationFactor.com."</p> <p>Houston, the Benjamin has landed! Nice work, Ms. Reinagel!</p> <p>I have found that asking a lot of questions in general is useful in life. It saves me time <em>and</em> money.</p>

http://paleohacks.com/questions/135763/if-inflammation-is-bad-and-saturated-fats-are-good-then/135824#135824 Derek 2012-07-16T19:50:05Z 2012-07-16T19:50:05Z

<p>Maybe I'm just being kind of a dick, but if you're going to slam every reasonable/logical answer given. Why did you bother asking the question? Did you just make this topic so you can argue with a bunch of people on the internet? Obviously there's no 100% clear cut answer yet on this topic. Otherwise it wouldn't even be debatable. Nutritiondata.com definitely has what seems to be a reputable sounding name. No question. I can go to an appalling number of websites with reputable sounding names that claim facts on their topic that are nothing more than backed up than by some dude behind a keyboard. Not everything on the internet is true. Even the "facts" we all agree on today aren't always true tomorrow (ie. the world is flat). Otherwise I could lose 9lbs by this afternoon on a crash diet and have sex with at least 30,000 super hot single chicks living in my town alone, all while having my debt cleared away and I'd be leaving on my free vacation by the week's end. </p>

http://paleohacks.com/questions/135763/if-inflammation-is-bad-and-saturated-fats-are-good-then/135826#135826 Karen 2012-07-16T20:10:58Z 2012-07-16T20:10:58Z

<p>How to game the nutritiondata.com system. </p> <ul> <li>Manufacture a whole wheat breakfast cereal.</li> <li>Load it up with vitamins A, C &amp; E</li> <li>Don't worry about the gluten, because that apparently isn't in the algorithm</li> <li>Don't worry about other factors, because ND's algorithm weights the anti-inflammatory properties of the artificially added, probably not absorbable vitamins very highly.</li> <li>Enjoy the anti-inflammatory status of the manufactured garbage you're selling.</li> </ul> <p>Bonus: The breakfast cereal you sell will rank really, really well on the ND Nutritional Target Map too.</p> <p>Remember with glee that computers aren't actually smart.</p>

http://paleohacks.com/questions/135763/if-inflammation-is-bad-and-saturated-fats-are-good-then/135878#135878 Dan 2012-07-17T00:55:22Z 2012-07-17T00:55:22Z

<p>For what it's worth, coconut oil makes my rheumatoid arthritis flare up like crazy.</p>

http://paleohacks.com/questions/135763/if-inflammation-is-bad-and-saturated-fats-are-good-then/135986#135986 Alvaro 2012-07-17T13:15:56Z 2012-07-17T13:15:56Z

<p>So, go eat a PB and J whole wheat sandwich. According to MD it has a mildly anti-inflammatory score. You cannot judge food just by it's inflammatory factor</p>

http://paleohacks.com/questions/135763/if-inflammation-is-bad-and-saturated-fats-are-good-then/157119#157119 Glen PDQ 2012-10-21T15:01:46Z 2012-10-21T15:01:46Z

<p>Doesn't the existing condition of the person eating the various fats matter, for example someone who is in ketosis or someone not in ketosis who regularly eats a high carb diet in a hot climate? What about an obese, leptin, and insulin resistant person? If someone's hormones are completely wack, wouldn't that affect short term results? What about the notion that ketones made from fat are less oxidative to mitochondria than glucose?</p> <p>Are seed oils all the same? Lots of seed oils are extremely high in polyunsaturates which can promote inflammation. Macadamia, Avocado oil which is NOT a seed oil, and arguably, sweet almond and high oleic sunflower/safflower oils are not brimming with inflammatory polyunsaturates. Grassfed cow butter contains menatetrenone, A, E, D, B's, folate, carotenoids, butyrate and other health promoting factors which may confound inflammation. Coconut oil is hailed by most as being metabolized for quick energy instead of padding adipose tissue. </p> <p>I know I have seen abstracts/articles which say proper high fat diets which can include saturated fats contribute to lower triglyceride levels. Livestrong says that in starvation mode, which I think of as ketosis, LDL is metabolized as an energy source.</p>