JOSH VALES is Anti-Paleo, does he have studies to back him up? - PaleoHacks.com

JOSH VALES is Anti-Paleo, does he have studies to back him up?

2012-08-04T22:31:34Z

"Even grassfed Meat creates estrogenic substances called Heterocyclic Amines when grassfed beef is cooked. One of them is called "PhIP" which is estrogenic to males. In other words, if you are a man, and you eat grassfed beef, it slowly leads you to grow fat and more feminized. The natural substances in Grassfed meat contain compounds that can effeminize men. Eating the meat in a paleo diet, which contains "PhiP" or 2-amino-1-methyl-6-phenylimidazo [4,5-b]pyridine (PhIP), is now known to effeminze boys and men"

Here's another one:

"You appear fine on the outside, thinking things are great, meanwhile you’ve thrown your body into a dangerous state of what’s called ketosis. Eating a high-protein diet, deficient in carbs, actually begins teaching your body to use protein to burn. Burning protein as fuel because there are no carbs to burn. This teaches your own body to burn muscle. It depletes muscle. People think that eating meat and protein builds muscle, but in fact, eating a lowcarb diet with mainly protein and fat is actually teaching your own body to use protein as its fuel, so you’ve actually taught your body to digest itself. Your body now needs to use your own muscle tissue to operate, breaking down and destroying your muscle tissue."

Here's the full Vales article: http://howtobuildmusclewithoutweights.com/build-muscle/failed-paleo-diet-crossfit-eating-paleolithic-failures-exposed-greg-glassman-crossfit-founder-fat-obese-with-crossfit-puke-bucket-rhabdo-the-clown-vomit-t-shirt-6a-and-last-stop-fat-loss-perfo/

Does anyone know if he actually has any actual studies to support his opinion such as the one above or is he just bashing paleo for the hell of it and thus should be ignored? Man-boobs from eating grass-fed beef? Eating low-carb paleo burns protein instead of fat? WTF? Is this guy on crack?

Answer by CoachCanadan for JOSH VALES is Anti-Paleo, does he have studies to back him up?

2012-08-04T22:35:09Z

To quote this ridiculous author:

"In Crossfit, on a Paleo Zone diet, you would truthfully NOT be permitted to drink tap water. This means you can’t drink out of the water fountain in the gym to hydrate yourself. You can’t bring tap water from your house, or even drink any water from your faucet in your house if you’re following Paleo. Why? Cavemen didn’t have treated water. You can’t drink disinfected water. You have to go outside the gym, or out of your house, and drink out of a puddle. That’s what cavemen did. And according to the paleo diet, you are actually DESIGNED for that."

Do you really need anything else? He's obviously an attention-seeking moron.

Answer by Mark for JOSH VALES is Anti-Paleo, does he have studies to back him up?

2012-08-04T22:46:49Z

Of course his defense would be that since I posted this on a pro-paleo board, the response will be pro-paleo biased. Worse than arguing about religion!

Answer by Potato Avenger for JOSH VALES is Anti-Paleo, does he have studies to back him up?

2012-08-04T22:50:50Z

He's claiming that all people following a paleo diet are failing in the very act of being a modern human, effectively creating a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation in which he's always right. Sheesh, what a load of crap, this isn't historical revisionism here.

Answer by animalcule for JOSH VALES is Anti-Paleo, does he have studies to back him up?

2012-08-04T22:53:14Z

Maybe all the grass-fed beef is why my ass is so bangin' (feminized, if you will).

He sounds like a big dummy to me, from these quotes. Puddles indeed.

Answer by Mscott for JOSH VALES is Anti-Paleo, does he have studies to back him up?

2012-08-05T00:10:50Z

This is my response to paragraph #1 of the question, about PhIP:

Heterocyclic amines are an interesting issue. However, he is speculating on them well beyond what the evidence shows here. Yes, some preliminary evidence shows PhIP may have some estrogenic properties, including this one, in which PhIP activated estrogen receptor alpha (in vitro). But it would take a huge leap to say this is evidence that PhIP in cooked meat "feminizes" men. I don't even know of a single animal study where any dose of PhIP feminized males. Furthermore, even if PhIP proves to be problematic the amount of it found in meat depends on a number of factors, including cooking method. This study for example, measured the effects of cooking on HCA formation in beef and found that PhiP "was formed only in very well done fried or grilled hamburger".

The evidence supporting his claim, like my interest in ever reading anything by this guy again, just isn't there.

Answer by sage_ for JOSH VALES is Anti-Paleo, does he have studies to back him up?

2012-08-05T03:39:39Z

he confuses ketoacidosis with ketosis. good job.

Answer by Mark for JOSH VALES is Anti-Paleo, does he have studies to back him up?

2012-08-05T19:32:35Z

http://paleohacks.com/questions/113121/reactions-to-claims-about-greg-glassman-ceo-of-crossfit-is-now-sickly-and-unhe#axzz22YuicV2c

Answer by John the Drunkard for JOSH VALES is Anti-Paleo, does he have studies to back him up?

2012-08-05T23:29:28Z

PS: Flouride is a naturally occuring mineral in many water supplies. That's how its effect on tooth decay was discovered.

Answer by Christopher Gagnon for JOSH VALES is Anti-Paleo, does he have studies to back him up?

2012-08-06T00:54:28Z

Who the hell is Josh Vales, and why should anyone care about his opinion?

Answer by the.kat for JOSH VALES is Anti-Paleo, does he have studies to back him up?

2012-08-06T01:37:41Z

i love when people quote blog sites and not real medical publications. it really lends credibility.. what a moron. paleolithic is what man was made on, not farming. trix are for kids.