most recent 30 from http://paleohacks.com 2013-05-24T02:53:23Z http://paleohacks.com/feeds/question/144728 http://www.creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/2.5/rdf http://paleohacks.com/questions/144728/forks-over-knives-question jackson 2012-08-23T13:59:09Z 2012-08-24T05:40:52Z

<p>Just watched forks over knives and i'm sure a lot of the epidemiology set forth can be debated, but one piece of evidence stuck out: The stroke and heart attack data for Norway during ww2. Apparently the germans assimilated most or all of the livestock for their troops and left the people of Norway to cope without them. Meanwhile the stroke and heart attack rate went down dramatically during this period and rose again with the cessation of hostilities at the end of the war....</p> <p>Anyone know what to make of this? It seems to be the closest that epidemiology can come to cause and effect...</p>

http://paleohacks.com/questions/144728/forks-over-knives-question/144729#144729 Alex 2012-08-23T14:05:40Z 2012-08-23T14:05:40Z

<p>Denise Minger tackled that issue here:</p> <p><a href="http://rawfoodsos.com/2011/09/22/forks-over-knives-is-the-science-legit-a-review-and-critique/" rel="nofollow">http://rawfoodsos.com/2011/09/22/forks-over-knives-is-the-science-legit-a-review-and-critique/</a></p>

http://paleohacks.com/questions/144728/forks-over-knives-question/144736#144736 Alec 2012-08-23T15:01:36Z 2012-08-23T15:01:36Z

<p>About 10 years ago I actually wrote to an e-mail to Dr. Uffe Ravnskov, author of Cholesterol Myths, about that question.</p> <p>He replied that sugar, cigarettes, and gasoline were also rationed. Every attempt to repeat that observation in a controlled study of the same duration as the war has failed. </p>

http://paleohacks.com/questions/144728/forks-over-knives-question/144887#144887 John the Drunkard 2012-08-24T02:41:01Z 2012-08-24T02:41:01Z

<p>I'm sure that strokes and heart disease were reduced in Auschwitz too.</p> <p>Seriously, correlation is not causality. Alec points out that attempts at repetition have all failed. Maybe 5 years of tooth-gnashing rage toward a military occupation by a despotic power are the secret of better heart health.</p> <p>I am only responding to the question as posted. I do not know the documentary, nor have I accessed background material. As reported, the Norway story is a classic anecdote. There is not enough information to make a trustworthy connection, even if one did exist.</p> <p>I will look at Minger's notes and recommend that you do as well.</p>

http://paleohacks.com/questions/144728/forks-over-knives-question/144891#144891 Stabby 2012-08-24T03:47:50Z 2012-08-24T03:47:50Z

<p>Denise hit it out the park. </p> <p>This reminds me of The Spanish Paradox <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7754987" rel="nofollow">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7754987</a></p> <p>In Spain during the time meat, dairy, and overall saturated fat increased, cardiovascular disease decreased. It's well-documented. Does that mean that those don't contribute to cardiovascular disease? We can't say from this study because there were -confounding factors-</p> <p>We wouldn't want to be cherry-picking dogmatists like Forks Over Knives.</p>

http://paleohacks.com/questions/144728/forks-over-knives-question/144899#144899 CICO Suave 2012-08-24T05:40:52Z 2012-08-24T05:40:52Z

<p>Sporks over EVERYTHING...</p>