most recent 30 from http://paleohacks.com 2013-05-23T07:17:49Z http://paleohacks.com/feeds/question/16478 http://www.creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/2.5/rdf http://paleohacks.com/questions/16478/fast-digesting-post-workout-carb-protein-combination ecb 2010-12-17T20:56:05Z 2010-12-18T09:55:04Z

<p>what is a good fast digesting carb/protein combination to ingest after a tough resistance workout (i.e. 5x5 high weight, low reps workout).</p> <p>My typical post nutrition workout is something like:</p> <p>1/2 rotisseries chicken with cabbage salad and roasted root vegetables</p> <p>or</p> <p>3 egg omellette loaded with veggies, sometimes cheese and a tin of sardines.</p> <p>Someone commented that these foods are too slow digesting and I need to eat stuff that can be digested more quickly.</p> <p>What do I eat? Where should the carbs come from?</p>

http://paleohacks.com/questions/16478/fast-digesting-post-workout-carb-protein-combination/16485#16485 Todd 2010-12-17T22:03:52Z 2010-12-17T22:03:52Z

<p>Meat n Potatoes</p>

http://paleohacks.com/questions/16478/fast-digesting-post-workout-carb-protein-combination/16487#16487 Jason 2010-12-17T22:20:45Z 2010-12-17T22:20:45Z

<p>I disagree that you NEED fast digesting foods after a workout. I usually use raw milk. </p> <p>If you want a "shake", I'd use waxy maize starch and whey isolate, though those aren't exactly paleo.</p>

http://paleohacks.com/questions/16478/fast-digesting-post-workout-carb-protein-combination/16501#16501 Stephen-Aegis 2010-12-18T00:10:52Z 2010-12-18T00:10:52Z

<p>Im with Jason, Fast Digestion isnt required.</p> <p>Ive packed on quite a bit of muscle with Meat and Potatoes, and those Hour to 2 later.</p> <p>Im not remotely sold on the quickly get food in me ideal.</p> <p>BCAAs however, have some good backing for pre/post workout. </p>

http://paleohacks.com/questions/16478/fast-digesting-post-workout-carb-protein-combination/16510#16510 James 2010-12-18T00:59:45Z 2010-12-18T00:59:45Z

<p>Ok, we're talking a few different issues here. Post Workout Nutrition for building muscles vs food for a Paleo diet on an ongoing basis for better living vs what you really need. There's a lot of thinking that goes on here, so it goes a bit long.</p> <p>1) Paleo food you know about and what to eat. There's not really an issue there.</p> <p>2) Post Workout Nutrition is targeted for right after your workout. It's not meant to be your whole diet. It's not really a "food". It's meant to provide maximum nutrition quickly to enhance recovery and repair after the workout. Proteins are a class of items. Proteins are not all the same. Various proteins digest at different rates. Logically speaking, undigested nutrients in your stomach don't help much when you need digested nutrients in your bloodstream to feed your muscles.</p> <p>In general: Proteins in liquid form digest faster than solid proteins. Single types of proteins digest faster than mixtures of different proteins. Proteins alone digest differently than proteins mixed with starches and fats.</p> <p>This mixed with the requirements for max nutrition rapidly leads to a liquid protein of some sort for protein. Bodybuilders usually settle on a whey these days (not all wheys are the same incidentally). They'll mix in carbs in the form of maltodextrose or dextrose to help spike insulin and get the nutrients into the muscle cells faster. i.e. Whey + Gatoraid. Incidentally, this is NOT Paleo. It's essentially better living through better chemicals for a specific situation. Take that as you will for your overall Paleo-ness.</p> <p>Jason mentioned milk earlier. Technically not paleo either, but in the old days, they used to drink gallons of whole milk (since whey drinks weren't around). Milk is a mixture of whey, casein, and misc fats, carbs, hormones, etc. A lot of people still do that, but the reason for the move to whey is it provides substantially more protein (Whey's essentially taken out of a larger amount of milk after all) without all the extra caloric baggage or the other proteins. Bodybuilders trying to dial things in for a competition really need to count everything. Probably would be less of an issue for you now, but if you want to get into the single digits, you need to count all that stuff. </p> <p>I've also seen talk on Chocolate milk being used in studies as well, although I don't recall if it is just for a change in flavor, or if the chocolate is supposed to do something synergistic. You don't need the extra carbs for spiking insulin with milk like you do with Whey alone (it's intended to feed growing calves after all).</p> <p>As an additional note, it's not "take your PWO Whey shake and you are done". Fast digesting doesn't just mean it gets into your bloodstream fast, it means you don't have the nutrients in your bloodstream for a sustained time. Slow digesting proteins provide nutrients over a longer time because it's still getting digested in your gut (duh). So post workout is really twofold. Whey/carb drink after workout, then an hour or so afterwards, a regular meal with a good amount of protein (your paleo meal).</p> <p>Finally, what do you really need? Is your paleo diet providing enough for your workouts, or do you need something else. At this point in time, you're saying you're always sore with things as they are, trying to meet your current goals. That tells me no, you need to change things up. </p> <p>What's the simplest, relatively cheap thing you can do? Try drinking a few glasses/quart/or more of milk after your exercise session, then have your paleo meal an hour or so afterwards. Maybe change it up with chocolate milk a few times. Then see how you feel after a day or two. Try and take notes on before and after so you can compare (don't depend on memory). If you feel better, keep it up, maybe shell out the bucks for a can of Whey and Gatoraid powder and see how you feel. See if it is worth or not, and so on.</p>

http://paleohacks.com/questions/16478/fast-digesting-post-workout-carb-protein-combination/16529#16529 David Moss 2010-12-18T09:55:04Z 2010-12-18T09:55:04Z

<p>I don't think fast digestion is particularly important. Much as waiting around with sore muscles for hours while waiting for food to cook can be extremely irritating, so long as you're eating some protein containing food after the workout it shouldn't be an issue.</p> <p>Your foods could be made carbier and faster digesting, pretty easily:</p> <blockquote> <p>1/2 rotisseries chicken with cabbage salad and roasted root vegetables</p> </blockquote> <p>Chicken is fine, but cabbage contains next to no carbs anyway and the 'roasted root vegetables' could be anything from a couple of still crunchy carrots (very few carbs, not particularly quick to digest) to a large amount of carbs that are digested virtually instantly, depending on how cooked they are. Even eating enough carbs to reduce my ketosis from carrots alone is pretty challenging in my experience. If you're cooking for yourself a suitably cooked sweet potato would be plenty fast enough digesting. On rare occasion I've even eaten a bag of crisps (US: chips), providing they don't contain appreciable amounts of omega-6 (0.8g), to get around 17.5g carbs, when there's been absolutely nothing else available. </p> <blockquote> <p>3 egg omellette loaded with veggies, sometimes cheese and a tin of sardines.</p> </blockquote> <p>Similarly all of this would be fine, but even loaded with vegetables, it probably doesn't contain that many carbs and will probably on the whole, just make it harder to eat and slower to digest given the mass of fibre.</p>