most recent 30 from http://paleohacks.com 2013-06-19T07:08:30Z http://paleohacks.com/feeds/question/6676 http://www.creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/2.5/rdf http://paleohacks.com/questions/6676/is-saturated-fat-ever-a-bad-thing-or-can-it-be-made-to-do-bad-things Jeff G. 2010-06-29T13:50:34Z 2010-06-30T20:19:32Z

<p>So, I just referred to this in <a href="http://paleohacks.com/questions/6633/is-a-half-assed-paleo-diet-no-absolute-restrictions-better-than-nothing" rel="nofollow">another thread</a>, and someone asked a <a href="http://paleohacks.com/questions/2844/is-there-something-as-bad-saturated-fat-or-do-we-need-to-watch-ratios-between-di" rel="nofollow">similar question</a> on this forum, but I'm still looking for a more detailed answers.</p> <p>I know that saturated fat is a good thing, but all good things can be perverted by bad circumstances. I'm wondering when our well-meaning love of saturated fat - whether it be shots of bacon grease or cream with a dash of coffee - can actually harm us.</p> <p>The obvious one is overeating. Overeating anything is bad, but, I wonder, is there anything especially dangerous about overeating fats rather than carbs? Most carbs, after all, seem to be more "easily digestible."</p> <p>The one I have the most problem with is quality. I just flat-out cannot afford grass-fed beef, and learning to take advantage of our plentiful deer supply is far off for me. Same for pastured dairy - can't afford it. The best I can do is with local eggs that are from this woman who feeds her chickens "laying mash" - still mostly grains, but at least they do get some bugs, being outside and all. So my sat fat supply is mostly from industrial sources. </p> <p>I've decided I'd rather be present at the one meal our family eats together, so I'm not avoiding industrial meat anymore either. Should I take Art de Vany's advice and "trim the fat" from those cuts?</p> <p>And, as I asked in my other thread, can any of the dark horsemen of the SAD - sugar, vegetable oil, gluten - er, <em>possess</em>, or <em>zombify</em> the sat fat and make it do evil deeds? I've heard a few things about fat living up to the danger hype when it is accompanied by high levels of fructose.</p> <p>Thanks, -Jeff</p>

http://paleohacks.com/questions/6676/is-saturated-fat-ever-a-bad-thing-or-can-it-be-made-to-do-bad-things/6678#6678 Stephen-Aegis 2010-06-29T14:47:41Z 2010-06-29T14:47:41Z

<p>My weak understand lies in potential complications if you also have a leaky gut</p> <p>Potentially as you addressed, fat soluble crap that industrial meat is eating too</p> <p>Trimming up industrial meat is sound advice, I think when it comes to grainfed, lean is definitely preferred</p> <p>Processed food is more easily digestible, doesn't make it healthier. Digestion is a whole other topic tho.</p> <p>When I must eat grainfed, I trim heavily then get fat thru avocado, coconut or other controlled sat fat and supplement fish oil to balance my omegas</p>

http://paleohacks.com/questions/6676/is-saturated-fat-ever-a-bad-thing-or-can-it-be-made-to-do-bad-things/6704#6704 Chris 2010-06-30T02:33:25Z 2010-06-30T02:33:25Z

<p>Paleo foods might not be as expensive as the impression you have been given.</p> <p>Grass fed bison is carried at $5 a pound in most of the supermarkets around Boston. A $1.69 can of coconut milk from whole foods provides 72 grams of saturated fat, 720 calories.</p> <p>These are two of the cheap staples of my diet.</p>

http://paleohacks.com/questions/6676/is-saturated-fat-ever-a-bad-thing-or-can-it-be-made-to-do-bad-things/6707#6707 Pieter D 2010-06-30T06:47:01Z 2010-06-30T07:02:31Z

<p>Just some thoughts (inspired by the <a href="http://www.meandmydiabetes.com/2010/03/24/loren-cordain-caution-on-saturated-fats-disaster-with-grains-will-be-public-after-march-25th/" rel="nofollow">article</a> linked in the comments):</p> <p>if saturated fat <em>"only becomes very hazardous when (they) are eaten in combination with grains, beans, dairy, high-sugar foods or other foods that tend to increase inflammation"</em></p> <p>then the problem is not the sat fat, but the other stuff, isn't it?</p> <p>And then, the more you eat saturated fat, the less you will eat that other stuff?</p> <p>So if you can't eat paleo style, and have to eat the other stuff, you don't have to avoid the saturated fats? Because it is a relative thing, and because of the effects on satiety of fats.</p> <p>Is my (non-expert) reasoning flawed? </p> <p>It seems that what Cordain (and some others) said in the quote above, only makes sense if you have believed for a long time that saturated fats were dangerous (the CW position). Now more scientists agree that saturated fats per se are not bad, but it is the combination that seems to bee the problem. We, lipophyles, know better?</p> <p>PS: I understand and agree that with the saturated fats, you can ingest contaminants from conventionally raised animals, and that these are best avoided. But then again, this is not an argument against saturated fat, but against the contaminents in them. </p>

http://paleohacks.com/questions/6676/is-saturated-fat-ever-a-bad-thing-or-can-it-be-made-to-do-bad-things/6709#6709 Biodoc 2010-06-30T11:10:11Z 2010-06-30T11:10:11Z

<p>Just a few small suggestions on saving money on grass-fed/pastured meats: Costco sells grasssfed ground beef frequently, and you should take a look at the "weird cuts" at a farmer's market (here, they are less than half the price of steak).</p>

http://paleohacks.com/questions/6676/is-saturated-fat-ever-a-bad-thing-or-can-it-be-made-to-do-bad-things/6742#6742 grace 2010-06-30T19:23:04Z 2010-06-30T19:23:04Z

<p>Hey Jeff,</p> <p>I don't personally eat a TON of sat fats like those of northern European or Inuit descent but I do consume a high sat fat diet 25-50% from calories total. On days of intermittent fasting, coffee + coconut milk = 97% saturated fat!! This is WAY higher than CW 8 to 10 % saturated fat intake. My cholesterol intake is extremely high too in the form of 2-3 egg yolks on average most days and never cutting the fat off of pork, beef, lamb and eating straight coconut milk, coconut oil and GHEE/cultured butter...</p> <p>Here are some studies showing the benefits of saturated fats for health and preventing coronary artery disease: <a href="http://drbganimalpharm.blogspot.com/search/label/Benefits%20of%20High-Saturated%20Fat%20Diets" rel="nofollow">http://drbganimalpharm.blogspot.com/search/label/Benefits%20of%20High-Saturated%20Fat%20Diets</a></p> <p>Oh I go low fat on high carb days otherwise high carb makes me fat and high carb + high fat makes me REALLY fat. We are not ordained genetically to burn both carbs and fat simultaneously I don't think...</p> <p>Hope that helps...! G</p>

http://paleohacks.com/questions/6676/is-saturated-fat-ever-a-bad-thing-or-can-it-be-made-to-do-bad-things/6743#6743 sarah-ann 2010-06-30T20:19:32Z 2010-06-30T20:19:32Z

<p>I really don't think (toxin and antibiotic issues aside) that saturated fat is bad in any context. But I'm open to be proven wrong.</p> <p>I hear a lot of opinions but can anyone show me some scientific evidence in humans that SAFA in combination with any food is worse than the food alone? </p> <p>Palmatic acid does create temporary insulin resistance which might lead to glucose hanging around a bit longer in the system, but the overall curve is flatter due to the fat slowing down the digestion of the carb into the bloodstream, so in my head it's a wash.</p>