Gary Taubes on Artificial Sweeteners - PaleoHacks.com most recent 30 from http://paleohacks.com2013-05-25T09:14:21Zhttp://paleohacks.com/feeds/question/68213http://www.creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/2.5/rdfhttp://paleohacks.com/questions/68213/gary-taubes-on-artificial-sweetenersGary Taubes on Artificial Sweetenersmemostotle2011-10-02T02:26:59Z2011-10-02T15:02:45Z
<p>Via <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/10/02/magazine/29mag-food-issue.html?ref=magazine#/health" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/10/02/magazine/29mag-food-issue.html?ref=magazine#/health</a></p>
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<p><strong>Should I Be Afraid of Low-Calorie Sugar Substitutes? BY GARY TAUBES</strong></p>
<p>There's not nearly as much reason to
fear sugar substitutes as there is to
fear actual sugar and high-fructose
corn syrup. The assumption that these
noncaloric or low-cal sweeteners are
likely to be cancer-causing agents,
and that sugar and high-fructose corn
syrup are not, is as much a
sugar-industry invention as anything
else.</p>
<p>The two oldest and most undeservedly
infamous sugar substitutes — saccharin
and cyclamate — were first used widely
in the United States in the early
1960s, when diet soft drinks came into
vogue. The sugar industry responded by
financing research into potential
health risks of the two sweeteners —
spending half a million dollars on
cyclamate alone, which was a lot of
money at the time. "If anyone can
undersell you 9 cents out of 10," one
sugar-industry executive explained to
The Times in 1969, "you'd better find
some brickbat you can throw at him."</p>
<p>The brickbat was the notion that
cyclamate could cause bladder cancer
in rats. Or at least it could when
they were consuming the equivalent of
several hundred soda cans each day.
Regardless, the Food and Drug
Administration promptly banned its
use. In the early 1970s, when a few
studies suggested that saccharin could
do the same — if consumed at the rate
of 800 soda cans daily — the F.D.A.
moved to ban that as well before
settling for a warning label that
would stay on packets of Sweet'N Low
for the next quarter century.
(Congress passed a bill to remove it
in 2000.) To further confuse matters,
the Canadians banned saccharin but
left cyclamate unregulated, so Sweet'N
Low in the United States is made from
saccharin and in Canada from
cyclamate.</p>
<p>As it turns out, the bladder cancer in
male rats appears to be promoted by a
protein in their urine that's not
present in male humans. And despite
numerous studies, precious little
evidence can be found that humans
consuming Sweet'N Low anywhere in
North America have more bladder cancer
than those who don't.</p>
<p>This suggests that despite the
checkered history and the F.D.A.
actions, cyclamate and saccharin might
actually be as safe as any sugar
substitute on the market.</p>
<p>Stevia, however, gets my vote as the
best noncaloric sweetener, by virtue
of being the only one that's truly
"natural." It comes from a Southern
Hemisphere herb, stevia rebaudiana,
known colloquially as sweet leaf or
sugar leaf. Extracts of the herb have
been used as a sweetener for
centuries. In Japan, Stevia has been
sold widely as a sugar substitute
since the early 1970s without any
documented ill effects. Stevia leaves
are 30 times as sweet as sugar itself,
and the purified extracts are 200
times as sweet, meaning that it takes
less than a calorie's worth to sweeten
12 ounces of soda.12 ounces of soda.</p>
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<p>Thoughts? Is he catering to a more mainstream audience? He doesn't even mention insulin.</p>
http://paleohacks.com/questions/68213/gary-taubes-on-artificial-sweeteners/68214#68214Answer by The Quilt for Gary Taubes on Artificial SweetenersThe Quilt2011-10-02T02:56:11Z2011-10-02T02:56:11Z<p>Gary should stick to fighting Guyenet or cold fusion. He knows nada about excitotoxins.</p>
http://paleohacks.com/questions/68213/gary-taubes-on-artificial-sweeteners/68217#68217Answer by Stancel for Gary Taubes on Artificial SweetenersStancel 2011-10-02T03:51:27Z2011-10-02T03:59:30Z<p>I think sugar is healthier to eat than aspartame. Aside from the alleged cancer link, there is evidence that aspartame is the cause of thyroid issues especially hyperthyroidism and Graves' disease. Doctors were puzzled when George H. W. Bush and Barbara Bush both were diagnosed with Graves' disease. It is supposedly rare for two people living under the same roof that aren't related to both be diagnosed with Graves' disease. </p>
<p>Both Bush and his wife used a lot of Equal, a sugar substitute made out of aspartame. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.aspartamesafety.com/Graves.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.aspartamesafety.com/Graves.htm</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.sweetpoison.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.sweetpoison.com/</a></p>
<p>This is not to say people should be eating/drinking loads of refined sugar. But it is very ironic that Taubes, who considers all sugar to be toxic (never mind that the body runs on glucose) will defend the safety of an artificial sweetener (cyclamate) that was banned decades ago by the FDA for being toxic.</p>
<p>As for stevia, which is natural and therefore popular for being healthy, the main challenge is taste. Zevia, the main brand of stevia soda available right now in the US, is not only very expensive, it tastes TERRIBLE. I would love if there was a good tasting diet soda made out of stevia that wasn't expensive, but for now I guess I will have to drink only water.</p>
http://paleohacks.com/questions/68213/gary-taubes-on-artificial-sweeteners/68219#68219Answer by Namby Pamby for Gary Taubes on Artificial SweetenersNamby Pamby2011-10-02T05:06:54Z2011-10-02T05:06:54Z<p>I actually agree with Gary on all the points made. Most sugar substitutes are harmless and the association with cancer and other ill effects are exaggerated or due to administration of massive doses to lab rats. Stevia is slightly hypoglycemic and completely harmless. Splenda (sucralose) probably is as well, despite the association with pesticide.</p>
<p>I believe most reactions to sugar substitutes are either (i) psychosomatic or (ii) due to differences in sweetness -- all of the above sugar subs display different degrees of bitterness or mediciney after taste, when compared to sugar; however, this usually goes away once you stop consuming sugar. </p>
<p>If you continue to consume sugar while trying to switch to sugar subs, you'll not succeed. This is because the taste of sugar will serve as a benchmark of comparison. You need to change that benchmark. If you do that, then sugar becomes unbearably sweet and sickly tasting as it did to me today when I accidentally ingested it. </p>
<p>As for these sugar subs eliciting insulin. It's psychosomatic. Most of these (except sugar alcohols and those containing maltodextrin like powder Splenda) are non-glycemic. So get over it. It's not sugar.</p>
http://paleohacks.com/questions/68213/gary-taubes-on-artificial-sweeteners/68220#68220Answer by Daniel Kirsner for Gary Taubes on Artificial SweetenersDaniel Kirsner2011-10-02T05:52:50Z2011-10-02T05:52:50Z<p>**> Stevia, however, gets my vote as the</p>
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<p>best noncaloric sweetener, by virtue
of being the only one that's truly
"natural."**</p>
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<p>1) Stevia isn't noncaloric, although this is nitpicking,
and
2) Would Gary rather ingest two grams of completely natural dried <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amanita_phalloides" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amanita_phalloides</a> or two grams of synthetic <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paracetamol" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paracetamol</a> ?</p>
http://paleohacks.com/questions/68213/gary-taubes-on-artificial-sweeteners/68224#68224Answer by majkinetor for Gary Taubes on Artificial Sweetenersmajkinetor2011-10-02T06:56:30Z2011-10-02T06:56:30Z<p>The only sweet thing I keep in my house is Stevia, I don't even buy sugar for the guests any more :P </p>
<p>I use Stevia only with some salads, not in drinks. No harm detected. </p>
<p>Aspartame has well known brain influence. Alcoholic sugars are probably harmless in low doses, just as alcohol is (I am judging by the logic of thing, never actually researched those as I am a man, and real man don't use sweeteners).</p>
http://paleohacks.com/questions/68213/gary-taubes-on-artificial-sweeteners/68238#68238Answer by ben61820 for Gary Taubes on Artificial Sweetenersben618202011-10-02T13:18:16Z2011-10-02T13:18:16Z<p>i agree with him that they don't harm us in the small doses MOST people consume them in. <strong>The problem they present for most people I'd say is that they still make things taste too good.</strong> They make people think that everything should be very sweet. People then prolly have more of that food than they otherwise would.</p>
<p>I don’t think he’s catering to a mainstream audience. I don’t think you have to mention insulin regarding them because they don’t elicit insulin response.</p>
http://paleohacks.com/questions/68213/gary-taubes-on-artificial-sweeteners/68241#68241Answer by Bread-Eating Beelzebub for Gary Taubes on Artificial SweetenersBread-Eating Beelzebub2011-10-02T13:52:57Z2011-10-02T13:52:57Z<p>The best thing about stevia is not that it's natural, it's that until recently, it had a bitter aftertaste to most people, which keeps it from making your foods very rewarding. I'm concerned that refined versions of Stevia, such as <a href="http://balancedbites.com/2011/01/there-is-nothing-honest-about-truvia.html" rel="nofollow">Truvia</a>, which have been altered to remove or blunt the bitter taste, would lead to addictive eating habits in some people. I used the stevia extract that still tastes a little bitter when I make things like Chai and it is sweet enough to allow for that nice chai flavor, but not too sweet to be addictive. </p>
http://paleohacks.com/questions/68213/gary-taubes-on-artificial-sweeteners/68257#68257Answer by Eric for Gary Taubes on Artificial SweetenersEric2011-10-02T15:02:45Z2011-10-02T15:02:45Z<p>I would say Taubes got this portion wrong. However I agree on the Stevia portion however I prefer fruit or even straight sugar to Stevia.</p>