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I am thinking of cutting off all fruit. What nutrients am I going to miss?

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Created February 25, 2012 at 7:58 PM

I am not exactly Paleo because my diet is more strict (because my body does not tolerate a whole bunch of Paleo foods).


To make sure you understand why I am not eating a lot of other Paleo foods (like nuts, butter, coconut oil, EVOO) - I am lactose and gluten intolerant, I have a gastric erosion and leaky gut syndrome. Every time I try to eat something other than what is listed below, it bothers my stomach and I am in pain for hours (sometimes days).


SO THIS LIST IS COMPRISED FROM THE FOODS THAT DO NOT BOTHER MY STOMACH:

This is what I eat:

  1. Vegetables (except nightshades, peppers and onion family)
  2. Tubers - rutabaga, carrot, beets, parsnips.
  3. Grass fed lamb, chicken breast, organ meats, fish (no eggs)
  4. Bone broth
  5. Fruit (except citrus fruit).

I do not eat nuts or oils or dairy because of my gut issues - they bother me.

Due to low energy I have decided to cut off all fruit. I went cold turkey for two days - I feel I am getting better, but it is too early to tell.

Hence my question:

Since I am already not eating a bunch of stuff, am I going to deprive myself of anything?

By cutting out all fruit and berry, am I going to miss some important/vital micro and macro nutrients, vitamins or anything else of that sort?

Is there anybody on this board who eats only vegetables and meat/fish? If you do, how long have you been doing it for? Any complications health wise?

Please let me know.


The reason I am thinking of cutting out all fruit is because I am feeling extreme fatigue and have no idea what to do. This fatigue is on and off and I cannot figure out the pattern. I am going to see my doctor soon, but I just want to know if it can be related to my diet somehow.


Additional information: I have a sweet tooth and LOVE SWEETS and fruit. I usually eat fruit with every meal and for snacks.

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15385 · March 28, 2014 at 7:18 PM

Is there vitamin C in cooked organ meat?

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17073 · March 21, 2014 at 10:26 AM

Some people are sensitive to sugar. It causes their insulin to spike, and when that happens they feel their energy drop.

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5 · March 21, 2014 at 3:56 AM

Gald to hear other people are not eating fruit...I cannot eat it without crashing.

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15400 · February 26, 2012 at 9:37 PM

Lucky you! I have been eating high fruit my entire life. Trying something different for a change. Nice to hear about your experience, thanks for sharing!

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15400 · February 26, 2012 at 9:36 PM

I have a gastric erosion that is one step away from ulcer. I had a sweet potato today and it did not bother my stomach so I am adding it to the list of foods I can eat.

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15400 · February 26, 2012 at 9:34 PM

Thank you, PaleoGran! This is going to be my next step, if everything else fails.

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6889 · February 26, 2012 at 3:56 PM

Glad to help. Also, if citrus fruits bother your stomach, is it possible you have an ulcer? I went through something very similar (posted here: http://paleohacks.com/questions/66542/vitamin-c-which-is-best-tolerated ) If so, what I found helped me was mastic gum first thing in the morning. I also wanted to point out I was including potatoes in with vegetables as well. I still cannot eat them at all, even though I can now eat fruit and dairy. I hope to eventually, but for now, they just sit in my stomach for ages. Might as well be cement as much as they digest.

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15400 · February 26, 2012 at 3:33 PM

I have tried duck and it bothered my stomach. I usually buy chicken breast on a bone (but skinless). I will try to buy the whole chicken and see how this goes. Thank you for your suggestion!

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4124 · February 26, 2012 at 12:43 PM

VB, as far as I know, there is no advantage to eating fruit. Dr. Richard Bernstein's plan has no fruit in it. There are several folks at Dirty Carnivores who have not eaten much plant matter at all for years. They might be able to give you sound references, for assurance. Your food plan looks really good to me. I don't eat fruit, but do eat very high fat dairy, lactose-reduced. Have you thought of eating very low FODMAP? Many of my symptoms went away when I went low FODMAP. I, too, avoid nightshades, nuts, seeds, and their oils. I wish you success. :)

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78407 · February 26, 2012 at 8:58 AM

I asked you a question about fatty meat, further above. You said you can eat it. I asked because you said you ate chicken breast. Chicken breast is fairly lean so it made me wonder if you don't eat much fat. I really don't like chicken breast. lol. I have found that I get on much better with the fattiest cuts of meat. My advice is to cut out chicken breast and swap it for chicken legs. See if you can get hold of duck too? I get on so well with fat that I even add extra fat to my fatty meats.

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78407 · February 26, 2012 at 8:45 AM

edit. thier = their.

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78407 · February 26, 2012 at 8:43 AM

People are asking why you are restricting because it helps to know more about the person and thier situation when we try to give an answer. Many people that post questions here, leave out lots of information that coud in fact be helpful to those people that want to help.

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8953 · February 26, 2012 at 8:14 AM

I eat fruit in mass quantities, and if I don't, my body does miss the sugar : fruit just works great for me.

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15400 · February 26, 2012 at 8:04 AM

This is not my case, although, for the record, I have to admit, that I feel 100% better on Paleo than S.A.D diet.

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15400 · February 26, 2012 at 8:03 AM

Peter, thank you for your comment. My answer: I do not know what else to do. If you have any suggestions/ideas - I would love to hear them. You know what I eat and don't eat, you know what I have - so you tell me - why on some days I feel so wiped out I cannot even get out of bed and wash dishes? I don't know the answer and I am trying my hardest to survive. Fruit seems to be the most harmless thing to cut out, plus I have read on this board that lots of people feel better once they cut this out. If you are healthy and feel great on Paleo diet - I envy you.

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15400 · February 26, 2012 at 7:59 AM

Thank you for your comment, Nance. PLEASE PEOPLE DO NOT DOWN-VOTE!!! I have tried rice and oatmeal - it is a big NO NO to my stomach (makes me very very sick). The only unhealthy thing that I can more or less tolerate is 100 % cacao mass and gluten-free chocolate cakes. THANK YOU!!!

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15400 · February 26, 2012 at 7:56 AM

Sounds very much like me. Thanks for this. I really feel better now. By the way, I cannot take multi-vitamins (even the best ones) - I break out in hives every single time. I will look into that probiotic. THANKS AGAIN!!!

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15400 · February 26, 2012 at 7:53 AM

I remembered: I have been eating only fruit and meat for one week. I do not remember how I felt. If fruit-free won't work for me, I will try to up on fruit. I cannot have oranges - my stomach is killing me every time I eat a citrus fruit. But thanks for taking your time to actually writing it out as an answer, not a comment.

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15400 · February 26, 2012 at 7:51 AM

I cannot have onions :( It bothers my stomach (although I used to love them). Same with radishes. But thanks for your suggestions! I will buy radicchio today!

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15400 · February 26, 2012 at 7:49 AM

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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15400 · February 26, 2012 at 7:48 AM

Just wanted to thank you one more time for being so encouraging. Sending you my good wishes and lots of love. Since you have been eating this for six years, I should have no problem eating like this for one week (or longer).

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4218 · February 26, 2012 at 4:13 AM

Beets. Radicchio. Radishes. Red onion. I believe rhubarb is technically a vegetable, though it seems to give some sensitive people problems. You don't eat peppers so I won't recommend capsicum.

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32518 · February 26, 2012 at 12:55 AM

And I have been low/no fruit for over 6 months.

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32518 · February 26, 2012 at 12:51 AM

+1 I don't eat any fruit, except the very occasional banana. No problems!

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78407 · February 26, 2012 at 12:28 AM

PUFA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyunsaturated_fatty_acid

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37177 · February 25, 2012 at 11:21 PM

@Wisper, me too. The fastest way for me to feel like crap is to stop eating fruit. I don't eat it in mass quantities, of course, but 1-3 pieces per day. But if I didn't thrive on it I'd feel differently for sure.

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78407 · February 25, 2012 at 10:39 PM

I have the same adrenal/thyroid issues. My take on the ultimate cause:heavy metal poisoning. Do you have any amalgam fillings?

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15400 · February 25, 2012 at 9:54 PM

Ok, if getting rid of fruit does not work, I will ditch the vegetables (I will miss spinach like crazy) as you suggest. I am willing to try anything. No oranges for me though. They bother my stomach - cannot have any citrus fruit, unfortunately. I have already tried. But thanks for your suggestion.

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6889 · February 25, 2012 at 9:49 PM

Yeah I do have an alternative. And I cannot believe that I, of all people, am about to say this, but... keep the fruit, ditch the vegetables. I was having the same problem with being intolerant to things... I can't eat gluten, then dairy was bothering me, then eggs, then... you get the point. Energy kind of low. Then about 2 weeks ago I ran across a sale on organic navel oranges and figured why not. And I couldn't stop eating them. And I feel AWESOME. And for some reason now I can eat dairy again? Eggs too. No, I don't know why, but I'm seeing where this goes... and I'm buying more oranges.

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15400 · February 25, 2012 at 9:47 PM

Thank you for your comment! I am not proposing it - my stomach does. I have nothing to do with it, I swear. What is PUFA? Thanks!

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15400 · February 25, 2012 at 9:45 PM

Because people think that I am not eating nuts because I don't want to eat them. This is not the truth. I want to eat coconut! I love pecans. I just cannot have them because they bother my stomach. I do not understand why I get so many questions about why I am restricting myself? (this is not directed to you in any way, I just really do not understand).

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2949 · February 25, 2012 at 9:39 PM

You say (or actually scream) "EVERY TIME I TRY TO EAT SOMETHING FROM PALEO FOOD LIST, IT BOTHERS MY STOMACH AND I AM IN PAIN FOR HOURS (SOMETIMES DAYS)." yet your numbered list is very paleo. You seem to be confused.

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2949 · February 25, 2012 at 9:36 PM

n=1. Fruit works wonders for me.

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15400 · February 25, 2012 at 9:17 PM

What are some red vegetables? Tomatoes bother my stomach. Anything else?

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15400 · February 25, 2012 at 9:15 PM

Great link! Thank you for this!

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15400 · February 25, 2012 at 9:14 PM

That's my plan, pretty much. I was just wondering if fruit is essential.

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15400 · February 25, 2012 at 9:13 PM

@thhq - my energy levels were really going down and I was not sure what else to try. If this is not going to help, I will re-introduce fruit (and will be very happy to do it, too). I think I need to try cutting out all fruit just to see what happens energy wise - if you know any alternatives, let me know. I am open to suggestions.

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15400 · February 25, 2012 at 9:06 PM

Thanks! Nice to know!

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15400 · February 25, 2012 at 9:05 PM

I eat tubers every day. I did not list them under a special heading since they go under vegetables. Thank you for the link!

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10151 · February 25, 2012 at 9:05 PM

Yeah, strange that you'd quit eating a food that is paleo and which you've eaten since age 4. I'm not exactly paleo either, so I'm not going to get dogmatic about this.

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15400 · February 25, 2012 at 9:00 PM

I am not depriving myself on purpose. I am intolerant to so many things, it is easier to tell people what I am NOT intolerant too. I know exactly what you mean. When I try to eat something new and my stomach starts bothering me, I usually tell myself: "What??? I cannot eat this??? This sucks!" I am not undereating, in fact I have fruit cravings and sometime chocolate cravings. I have never had a broccoli craving. Strange, isn't it?

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15400 · February 25, 2012 at 8:57 PM

I am lactose intolerant, but thanks for the advice.

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10151 · February 25, 2012 at 8:57 PM

I hate to see paleo defined negatively and exclusionist, as if paleo is a kind of eating disorder that has to be done "just so". I prefer eating what you should eat in the light of prehistory. Taking it to the next level - excluding paleo foods from a paleo diet - is shooting paleo in the foot. This behavior deserves the orthorexia stamp.

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15400 · February 25, 2012 at 8:57 PM

@Jayme I am allergic to coconut milk and butter bothers my stomach. Not sure why but it is true.

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15400 · February 25, 2012 at 8:56 PM

I can eat animal fat no problem. I eat fatty lamb meat and fatty fish. I cannot eat pork for some reason.

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250 · February 25, 2012 at 8:55 PM

This isn't an answer to your question, but have you tried adding in coconut milk/butter at all, in place of dairy and nuts?

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15400 · February 25, 2012 at 8:55 PM

My energy levels were going down. I want to make an experiment - will I feel better if I cut out all fruit? If cutting off all fruit has no effect on me, I will re-introduce fruit. Also, I have been an avid fruit-eater ever since age 4 and I do get fruit cravings. I was wondering if they stop or exacerbate after I give up all fruit. What do you think I should do?

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78407 · February 25, 2012 at 8:52 PM

I take it that you don't get on well with animal fat?

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4218 · February 25, 2012 at 8:47 PM

Isn't "paleo" as much defined by what we don't eat, as what we do?

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4218 · February 25, 2012 at 8:46 PM

Amen to this. Fruit in any form does bad things to my metabolism, cravings, etc.

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19220 · February 25, 2012 at 8:12 PM

Why do you want to cut out fruit?

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1029 · February 25, 2012 at 8:30 PM

Youre not going to miss the sugar.

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8953 · February 26, 2012 at 8:14 AM

I eat fruit in mass quantities, and if I don't, my body does miss the sugar : fruit just works great for me.

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37177 · February 25, 2012 at 11:21 PM

@Wisper, me too. The fastest way for me to feel like crap is to stop eating fruit. I don't eat it in mass quantities, of course, but 1-3 pieces per day. But if I didn't thrive on it I'd feel differently for sure.

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2949 · February 25, 2012 at 9:36 PM

n=1. Fruit works wonders for me.

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4218 · February 25, 2012 at 8:46 PM

Amen to this. Fruit in any form does bad things to my metabolism, cravings, etc.

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572 · February 25, 2012 at 11:51 PM

The organ meats, especially liver I hear, should more than make up for any nutrients you miss from fruit.

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15385 · March 28, 2014 at 7:18 PM

Is there vitamin C in cooked organ meat?

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15400 · February 26, 2012 at 7:49 AM

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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32518 · February 26, 2012 at 12:55 AM

And I have been low/no fruit for over 6 months.

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32518 · February 26, 2012 at 12:51 AM

+1 I don't eat any fruit, except the very occasional banana. No problems!

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78407 · February 25, 2012 at 9:25 PM

I've been eating your proposed diet for six years (more or less). No problems.Only positives. And I have no digestive "issues" with fruit. Just find them to be the red headed step child to the veggie/tuber. (with all due respect to Ray Peat and his "clones") ...... Actually you are proposing the perfect Paleo Diet. No excess fructose, no gluten, no excess Pufa, plus grass fed ruminant/organ meat/broth. How much perfection can a Paleo person attain?:)

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15400 · February 26, 2012 at 7:48 AM

Just wanted to thank you one more time for being so encouraging. Sending you my good wishes and lots of love. Since you have been eating this for six years, I should have no problem eating like this for one week (or longer).

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78407 · February 26, 2012 at 12:28 AM

PUFA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyunsaturated_fatty_acid

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15400 · February 25, 2012 at 9:47 PM

Thank you for your comment! I am not proposing it - my stomach does. I have nothing to do with it, I swear. What is PUFA? Thanks!

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6087 · February 25, 2012 at 8:18 PM

I doubt there's anything uniquely nutritive about fruit, especially to a person who already eat vegetables.

I ate only meat and veg for a while, and it wasn't that great. I think it had to do with excess muscle meat. Make sure you eat a lot of broth and organ meats if you do this. Alternatively, add cheese or milk to your diet. Both of these paths worked better for me than straight meat+veg.

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15400 · February 25, 2012 at 8:57 PM

I am lactose intolerant, but thanks for the advice.

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2175 · February 25, 2012 at 9:09 PM

Plain meat & veggies will suffice to heal that gut problem you speak of. Then one day you will be able to reintroduce all of those things that symptomatically may cause you harm, but are not direct causes of that harm. Just besure to include a variety of colors that you are tolerant to (yellow, orange, blue, GREEN, red, purple).

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15400 · February 26, 2012 at 7:51 AM

I cannot have onions :( It bothers my stomach (although I used to love them). Same with radishes. But thanks for your suggestions! I will buy radicchio today!

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4218 · February 26, 2012 at 4:13 AM

Beets. Radicchio. Radishes. Red onion. I believe rhubarb is technically a vegetable, though it seems to give some sensitive people problems. You don't eat peppers so I won't recommend capsicum.

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15400 · February 25, 2012 at 9:17 PM

What are some red vegetables? Tomatoes bother my stomach. Anything else?

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15400 · February 25, 2012 at 9:14 PM

That's my plan, pretty much. I was just wondering if fruit is essential.

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1085 · February 26, 2012 at 8:21 AM

I rarely eat fruit. I am talking once a month, maybe, if there's nothing left to eat because I did a poor job planning my meals. Funny thing is, I like fruit just fine. Feeling excellent. Nothing (negative) to report here.

Been eating very low fruit my entire life.

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5 · March 21, 2014 at 3:56 AM

Gald to hear other people are not eating fruit...I cannot eat it without crashing.

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15400 · February 26, 2012 at 9:37 PM

Lucky you! I have been eating high fruit my entire life. Trying something different for a change. Nice to hear about your experience, thanks for sharing!

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37177 · February 25, 2012 at 11:30 PM

I am about to recruit a number of down-votes but I'm going to say this anyhow.

If there are are any non-paleo foods (meaning processed) that you can tolerate easily and your GI tract finds soothing I'd add a couple temporarily to give yourself a slightly longer list.

Are you able to tolerate a little converted rice? Or soaked/fermented oatmeal?

Once in a while people who react sensitively to many whole foods will actually find they will improve if they eat something more processed--in other words, the very qualities that might make me avoid them could possibly be healing for you.

I can't remember which site I was reading yesterday but a doctor related a story about a patient who seemed to get more and more sensitive to foods and they just couldn't help him and he was down to a very short list of "safe" foods. He basically gave up and went out for pizza and beer--and it turned out that eating stuff like that for a while allowed/helped him make a complete recovery and he returned to a whole foods diet and did fine.

So, I'm not assuming pizza and beer would do it for you but if you think there's a non-paleo food that would help you just GO FOR IT!

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15400 · February 26, 2012 at 7:59 AM

Thank you for your comment, Nance. PLEASE PEOPLE DO NOT DOWN-VOTE!!! I have tried rice and oatmeal - it is a big NO NO to my stomach (makes me very very sick). The only unhealthy thing that I can more or less tolerate is 100 % cacao mass and gluten-free chocolate cakes. THANK YOU!!!

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78407 · February 25, 2012 at 8:51 PM

I can't remember when I last ate any fruit but it was some time last year. lol. I very rarely ate it when I was a kid even though there was always fruit available in our house. I started eating fruit daily about ten or so years ago because of the supposed health benefits. I noticed no health benefits at all and it actually caused me some problems.
I don't deliberately avoid it. I just don't get around to eating it.

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15400 · February 26, 2012 at 3:33 PM

I have tried duck and it bothered my stomach. I usually buy chicken breast on a bone (but skinless). I will try to buy the whole chicken and see how this goes. Thank you for your suggestion!

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78407 · February 26, 2012 at 8:58 AM

I asked you a question about fatty meat, further above. You said you can eat it. I asked because you said you ate chicken breast. Chicken breast is fairly lean so it made me wonder if you don't eat much fat. I really don't like chicken breast. lol. I have found that I get on much better with the fattiest cuts of meat. My advice is to cut out chicken breast and swap it for chicken legs. See if you can get hold of duck too? I get on so well with fat that I even add extra fat to my fatty meats.

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15400 · February 25, 2012 at 9:06 PM

Thanks! Nice to know!

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10151 · February 25, 2012 at 8:09 PM

You've already deprived yourself of plenty. This sounds like what Scrooge might have eaten. I'm not being snarky here. Paleos had to eat the widest range of nutrients available out of necessity. Systematically eliminating foods is Neolithic disordered eating logic. Are you undereating otherwise?

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15400 · February 25, 2012 at 9:54 PM

Ok, if getting rid of fruit does not work, I will ditch the vegetables (I will miss spinach like crazy) as you suggest. I am willing to try anything. No oranges for me though. They bother my stomach - cannot have any citrus fruit, unfortunately. I have already tried. But thanks for your suggestion.

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6889 · February 25, 2012 at 9:49 PM

Yeah I do have an alternative. And I cannot believe that I, of all people, am about to say this, but... keep the fruit, ditch the vegetables. I was having the same problem with being intolerant to things... I can't eat gluten, then dairy was bothering me, then eggs, then... you get the point. Energy kind of low. Then about 2 weeks ago I ran across a sale on organic navel oranges and figured why not. And I couldn't stop eating them. And I feel AWESOME. And for some reason now I can eat dairy again? Eggs too. No, I don't know why, but I'm seeing where this goes... and I'm buying more oranges.

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15400 · February 25, 2012 at 9:13 PM

@thhq - my energy levels were really going down and I was not sure what else to try. If this is not going to help, I will re-introduce fruit (and will be very happy to do it, too). I think I need to try cutting out all fruit just to see what happens energy wise - if you know any alternatives, let me know. I am open to suggestions.

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10151 · February 25, 2012 at 9:05 PM

Yeah, strange that you'd quit eating a food that is paleo and which you've eaten since age 4. I'm not exactly paleo either, so I'm not going to get dogmatic about this.

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15400 · February 25, 2012 at 9:00 PM

I am not depriving myself on purpose. I am intolerant to so many things, it is easier to tell people what I am NOT intolerant too. I know exactly what you mean. When I try to eat something new and my stomach starts bothering me, I usually tell myself: "What??? I cannot eat this??? This sucks!" I am not undereating, in fact I have fruit cravings and sometime chocolate cravings. I have never had a broccoli craving. Strange, isn't it?

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10151 · February 25, 2012 at 8:57 PM

I hate to see paleo defined negatively and exclusionist, as if paleo is a kind of eating disorder that has to be done "just so". I prefer eating what you should eat in the light of prehistory. Taking it to the next level - excluding paleo foods from a paleo diet - is shooting paleo in the foot. This behavior deserves the orthorexia stamp.

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4218 · February 25, 2012 at 8:47 PM

Isn't "paleo" as much defined by what we don't eat, as what we do?

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You are not alone! I went Paleo last June in an attempt to heal my leaky gut. I have developed food sensitivies to many of the "healthy" foods I used to eat. Eggs, gluten, dairy, yeast, soy, legumes, pepper, curry, nuts, salmon, avocados, citrus, etc. My reactions are very inflammatory. Basically if I am exposed to any of these foods I break out with cystic acne, get joint pain, abdominal pain, and have a cerebral reaction which leaves me extremely fatigued and depressed for a couple of days. It took me a long time to pinpoint all of my triggers. I had the Igg and Ige allergy testing done to help identify some, and used an ellimination diet to weed out the others. From my lab work I also learned that I had an overgrowth of Candida and parasites, which is typical of people with leaky gut. I also learned that I was extreme hypochlorydic and needed to start supplementing Hcl with my meals to lower my stomach acid so I could properly digest fat and protein. In a nutshell, I am/was a mess. I believe my leaky gut is the root cause of my adrenal fatigue (which I am taking cortisol for now), hypothyroid, and PCOS. All of this because I was gluten sensitive and didn't know it until the damage was done. I am currently working with a functional doctor to get back on track. He recommended this probiotic for helping repair the gut http://www.vsl3.ca/about.html ( I wasn't able to take others because I reacted to them, but not this one), also glutamine and of course avoidance of reactive foods. A year ago I worked with a naturopath to work on the the parasites and candida via a variety of supplements and candida diet. Personally, my exprience with fruit has been that it's best that I avoid it. Though I crave apples so badly sometimes I have to give in because part of me feels like I may be deficient in nutrients due to my limited diet and they are one of the few sweet treats I can have. Apples, cherries, and pears are the only fruit I can tolerate, though I have to be extremely careful and only eat one serving, otherwise I will binge and throw my blood sugar out of balance and have a melt down. I've read that candida can cause these intense cravings for sugar. Like you, I do better without the fruit, but I worry about missing out on some of the antioxidants, though I live off of kale, collards, chard, rutabage, broccoli, beets, turnips, and of course meat. I recently started eating sprouted buckwheat groats in the morning, I know it's a paleo no no, but I've been doing really well on them, it's nice to have another option for getting my carbs and the inositol in them is good for PCOS. This is long and mostly about me, me, me, but I wanted you to know that there is someone else struggling with the same dietary restrictions. I've met two other people with similar cases. My advice, take a good multi-vitamin and eat what you crave in moderation.

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15400 · February 26, 2012 at 7:56 AM

Sounds very much like me. Thanks for this. I really feel better now. By the way, I cannot take multi-vitamins (even the best ones) - I break out in hives every single time. I will look into that probiotic. THANKS AGAIN!!!

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78407 · February 25, 2012 at 10:39 PM

I have the same adrenal/thyroid issues. My take on the ultimate cause:heavy metal poisoning. Do you have any amalgam fillings?

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6889 · February 25, 2012 at 9:54 PM

I just realized I should post this as an answer and not a comment, so comment deleted and reposted here:

Yeah I do have an alternative. And I cannot believe that I, of all people, am about to say this, but... keep the fruit, ditch the vegetables. I was having the same problem with being intolerant to things... I can't eat gluten, then dairy was bothering me, then eggs, then... you get the point. Energy kind of low. Then about 2 weeks ago I ran across a sale on organic navel oranges and figured why not. And I couldn't stop eating them. And I feel AWESOME. And for some reason now I can eat dairy again? Eggs too. No, I don't know why, but I'm seeing where this goes... and I'm buying more oranges.

ETA: I should also point out that I don't think it has to be oranges exactly. Because I have also seen some improvement with apples and bananas. I just happened to notice the largest difference with oranges because I had so many of them from the sale.

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15400 · February 26, 2012 at 9:36 PM

I have a gastric erosion that is one step away from ulcer. I had a sweet potato today and it did not bother my stomach so I am adding it to the list of foods I can eat.

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6889 · February 26, 2012 at 3:56 PM

Glad to help. Also, if citrus fruits bother your stomach, is it possible you have an ulcer? I went through something very similar (posted here: http://paleohacks.com/questions/66542/vitamin-c-which-is-best-tolerated ) If so, what I found helped me was mastic gum first thing in the morning. I also wanted to point out I was including potatoes in with vegetables as well. I still cannot eat them at all, even though I can now eat fruit and dairy. I hope to eventually, but for now, they just sit in my stomach for ages. Might as well be cement as much as they digest.

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15400 · February 26, 2012 at 7:53 AM

I remembered: I have been eating only fruit and meat for one week. I do not remember how I felt. If fruit-free won't work for me, I will try to up on fruit. I cannot have oranges - my stomach is killing me every time I eat a citrus fruit. But thanks for taking your time to actually writing it out as an answer, not a comment.

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4218 · February 25, 2012 at 8:55 PM

There's some interesting conversation along these lines in this thread: http://paleohacks.com/questions/8267/going-very-low-carb-ditching-fruits-nutrient-deficiency#axzz1nPbWvcKc

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15400 · February 25, 2012 at 9:15 PM

Great link! Thank you for this!

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5904 · February 26, 2012 at 6:50 AM

Why do you think that fruit is making your energy levels low? That seems counter intuitive to me. (Not trying to be rude, I really do want to know why you think that)

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17073 · March 21, 2014 at 10:26 AM

Some people are sensitive to sugar. It causes their insulin to spike, and when that happens they feel their energy drop.

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15400 · February 26, 2012 at 8:04 AM

This is not my case, although, for the record, I have to admit, that I feel 100% better on Paleo than S.A.D diet.

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15400 · February 26, 2012 at 8:03 AM

Peter, thank you for your comment. My answer: I do not know what else to do. If you have any suggestions/ideas - I would love to hear them. You know what I eat and don't eat, you know what I have - so you tell me - why on some days I feel so wiped out I cannot even get out of bed and wash dishes? I don't know the answer and I am trying my hardest to survive. Fruit seems to be the most harmless thing to cut out, plus I have read on this board that lots of people feel better once they cut this out. If you are healthy and feel great on Paleo diet - I envy you.

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10054 · February 25, 2012 at 8:25 PM

Adding some tubers to your diet maybe a good idea.

http://paleodietnews.com/2789/the-paleo-diet-and-safe-starches/

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15400 · February 25, 2012 at 9:05 PM

I eat tubers every day. I did not list them under a special heading since they go under vegetables. Thank you for the link!

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I'm in the same boat as you buddy. I am ultra sensitive to all the foods you just described, they flare up my skin issues and fatigue. I'm going to be doing a bone broth fast for 3 days and see where that takes me. Just bone broth and cabbage juice, the ultimate gut healing combo. My diet consists of veggies (non-nightshade), clean meats, sweet potatoes and winter squash for carbs. I try to avoid fruit, I believe the sugars are feeding whatever infestation I have (Candida, h pylori, sibo...I have no idea) I just know that carbs in general cause me gas and a general feeling of being unwell. But alas if I don't eat any carbs at all I feel awful as well.

Hopefully the fast will starve the pathogens and heal my gut enough to where I can digest my food more efficiently. I'm also going to be doing ginger enemas as this will deal a blow to any pathogens residing in my colon. You should definitely look into making bone broth, it is absolutely essential for dealing with a leaky gut. In the mean time avoid fruits and eat a bit of starch at every meal, tubers are your best friend :)

Good luck!

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I'm in the same boat as you buddy. I am ultra sensitive to all the foods you just described, they flare up my skin issues and fatigue. I'm going to be doing a bone broth fast for 3 days and see where that takes me. Just bone broth and cabbage juice, the ultimate gut healing combo. My diet consists of veggies (non-nightshade), clean meats, sweet potatoes and winter squash for carbs. I try to avoid fruit, I believe the sugars are feeding whatever infestation I have (Candida, h pylori, sibo...I have no idea) I just know that carbs in general cause me gas and a general feeling of being unwell. But alas if I don't eat any carbs at all I feel awful as well.

Hopefully the fast will starve the pathogens and heal my gut enough to where I can digest my food more efficiently. I'm also going to be doing ginger enemas as this will deal a blow to any pathogens residing in my colon. You should definitely look into making bone broth, it is absolutely essential for dealing with a leaky gut. In the mean time avoid fruits and eat a bit of starch at every meal, tubers are your best friend :)

Good luck!

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15385 · March 21, 2014 at 12:44 PM

You CAN get pretty much the same nutrients as fruit from other sources, it's just a little easier. One obvious example is vitamin C, you can certainly get it from raw vegetables for example but most people don't eat enough of those. My rule of thumb is that anything that is cooked or packaged doesn't have any vitamin C, unless it has some synthetic vitamin C added, which in my book doesn't count.

There are low-carb, low-sugar, high-vitamin fruits such as berries and kumquats if you want to have them just occasionally.

Just a side note, you should type everything you eat into FitDay or similar for a couple of weeks to see the nutrients. I used to eat pretty much how you are eating and found that my diet was very low in certain minerals such as magnesium, manganese and zinc. These are found in the bran of various grains (which obviously we're not eating) and also in nuts and seeds (which you're not eating), including some dark chocolates. You might consider adding some of these things into your diet and watch for symptoms of magnesium/manganese deficiency.

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