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Have you healed your gastritis /ulcer ? PPI vs H2 blockers?

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Created June 02, 2012 at 4:00 AM

I have my second endoscopy results. My gut is fine and my villi grew back so I no longer have the celiac, but my gastritis is not healing . I was diagnosed with gastric erosion back in October 2011, and now, even though it does not hurt, the situation has gotten worse. If I don't do anything, I am heading for some serious troubles.

Just so you know - I have been eating a very clean Paleo diet. Lots of bone broth, grass-fed lamb, vegetables, tubers. I don't think anybody could eat a better diet. No grains, no gluten, no chocolate.

I was taking PPIs from November 2011 till March 2012, because my doctor said I had to. However, I was losing my energy on them and stopped taking them. My energy levels are back, but my gastric erosion is worse.

I am also taking herbs (which helped me with fatigue) and dgl (just started).

I am going to try Manuka honey for H. Pylori but my regular doctor suggests PPIs and does not want me to take antibiotics because I don't have too much of bacteria growth.

I have tried coconut oil. My body hates it and I get really sick after taking it. I was not able to find an olive oil that is not cross-contaminated yet.

MY QUESTIONS:

  1. If you absolutely had to have some medicine, would you take PPI or H2 blockers?

  2. Have you ever healed your gastritis/ulcer?

If you did, could you please tell me what helped you?

Thanks.

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697 · January 08, 2013 at 4:37 AM

Hey VB, have you healed your ulcer? If you did what did you do to heal it?

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15400 · December 16, 2012 at 12:29 PM

Apparently, I was misdiagnosed. I am not celiac - I am gluten intolerant due to SIBO. In my case it mimicked celiac disease, but I don't have a genetic autoimmune disorder. I just need to figure out what to do about my SIBO - it is hard to get rid of. You should not take DGL or marshmallow root if you have SIBO, because it aggravates it.

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15400 · August 21, 2012 at 3:04 AM

I am no longer taking PPIs - horrible side effects. I cannot digest too much fat. Not fat free, but I do not eat a lot of fat. No dairy either.

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15400 · August 20, 2012 at 5:09 PM

I had a horrible experience with Omerprezole. If you start feeling something is wrong - drop them immediately.

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15400 · August 20, 2012 at 5:08 PM

Thank you SO MUCH!!! I have already figured that PPIs were horrible for me - they basically already wreaked havoc and I am dealing with consequences. You are totally right about everything. I am just trying to clean up the aftermath. Thanks again.

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15400 · June 07, 2012 at 6:35 PM

I will try that.

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809 · June 06, 2012 at 3:30 AM

I know paleo is huge onfat intake, but try lowering the amount of fat you consume, and see if this helps--high fat intake can cause digestive issues.Also, you mentioned that your paleo is very clean, so I hope you're dairy-free, if not, get rid of all dairy too. If you have to take the PPis do so, but space them out as much as possible, and ween yourself off them asap

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15400 · June 02, 2012 at 5:10 PM

I have tried FODMAPS but they don't work for me - I only have one vegetable to eat on FODMAPS and my body hates bananas.

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15400 · June 02, 2012 at 5:09 PM

Also, I get sick on zero carb diet. I do fine on only-vegetables diet. Not sure why, just the way my body functions. I will also try Digest Gold - I have already ordered it. I am eating all foods (that make me feel good) - mostly vegetables. The only foods that don't agree with me are fatty meats and fish.

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15400 · June 02, 2012 at 4:39 PM

He said if the PPIs don't help in two weeks, then I should go with antibiotics.

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15400 · June 02, 2012 at 4:21 PM

Thanks for your reply.

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15400 · June 02, 2012 at 4:21 PM

He wants me to take PPIs.

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15400 · June 02, 2012 at 4:20 PM

I do, but the doc did not prescribe them. I will call him again and ask.

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15400 · June 02, 2012 at 4:20 PM

Thanks Melissa, but I have never taken any NSAIDs in my life. My doc did not prescribe any antibiotics because last time I had gastroscopy there was no H.Pylori present. I do not have any pain or anything and eat pretty much everything I want (Paleo), but the doctor is concerned that my chronic gastric erosion is not getting any better. I will try buckthorn berries - right now they are available frozen.

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15400 · June 02, 2012 at 4:58 AM

And I don't drink AT ALL.

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15400 · June 02, 2012 at 4:57 AM

I have been on Paleo since October. A very very strict Paleo. Not sure what to do.

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809 · June 02, 2012 at 4:26 AM

* PP inhibitors* sorry aabout the grammar/spelling there

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56616 · June 02, 2012 at 2:59 PM

I've had several ulcers, but I'm pretty convinced mine were caused by NSAIDs. I would take the antibiotics and then do a zero carb only meat/fish/broth diet for at least a week. Then the second week I would introduce some simple juices. I would particularly recommend sea buckthorn juice if you can get ahold of it. I think it really helped heal my last ulcer. Bromelain is also something to try. People often recommend HCL/ACV for reflux, but it is not a good idea if you have ulcers. Instead I would take Enzymedica - Digest Gold or Now Super Enzymes after meals. As you start eating more foods, I would recommend following FODMAPs/SCD recommendations (simple sugars are more easily digested than starches and I feel starches always made my symptoms worse) and taking a commercial probiotic (FOS FREE). Don't mess with fermented foods yet, they can contain molds and are not as effective as commercial probiotics. Once you stop having symptoms you can explore more questionable foods.

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15400 · June 02, 2012 at 5:10 PM

I have tried FODMAPS but they don't work for me - I only have one vegetable to eat on FODMAPS and my body hates bananas.

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15400 · June 02, 2012 at 5:09 PM

Also, I get sick on zero carb diet. I do fine on only-vegetables diet. Not sure why, just the way my body functions. I will also try Digest Gold - I have already ordered it. I am eating all foods (that make me feel good) - mostly vegetables. The only foods that don't agree with me are fatty meats and fish.

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15400 · June 02, 2012 at 4:20 PM

Thanks Melissa, but I have never taken any NSAIDs in my life. My doc did not prescribe any antibiotics because last time I had gastroscopy there was no H.Pylori present. I do not have any pain or anything and eat pretty much everything I want (Paleo), but the doctor is concerned that my chronic gastric erosion is not getting any better. I will try buckthorn berries - right now they are available frozen.

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11557 · June 07, 2012 at 5:27 PM

For me, it was cutting dairy/alcohol and temporarily pulling out almost all starches (read: practically no veg) that helped me get over my last ulcer and move forth. I was pretty much just drinking mugs of broth all day and eating bits of boiled, plain meats- not a thrilling diet, and definitely not something that needs to be kept up for a long time, but it helped for temporary healing. Since that week, I haven't had an ulcer since even though I eat pretty similar to what I was before my last ulcer. My semi-hypothesis was that it was the last bit of healing from gluten intolerance and lactose intolerance- I have heard of other similar stories, so maybe there's something to it.

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15400 · June 07, 2012 at 6:35 PM

I will try that.

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10 · October 11, 2012 at 6:25 PM

You have not cured your celiac by healing the villi. Celiac disease is a genetic autoimmune disorder. You may have healed your intestines, but you are not cured. I have celiac disease and what appears to be gastritis. I have another doctor's appointment at the end of the month (I finally get to see my regular GP, which makes him the 4th doctor I've seen for this). I will probably be headed for the endoscope to confirm it, or to prove something else. I tested clean for h. pylori, but there is a type of gastritis I've researched that is highly associated with celiac disease. It's called lymphocytic gastritis. It has to be diagnosed via an endoscopy (not colonoscopy). You may want to ask your doctor about it. I am going to ask mine, and take the research along to show him the link. Though, I couldn't find any direct cure or treatment other than the basic 40mg a day of Omeprazole.

P.S. I am also taking DGL, marshmallow root, slippery elm, and L-Glutamine. I took 40mg of Omeprazole for thirty days and felt very good on it, but I maintained a simple diet while on it. I slipped once and had some spicy beef and it sucked. I couldn't sleep because of the burning. I'm still eating simply, but I get annoying, slight irritation without cause. I've even cut out black pepper completely.

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15400 · December 16, 2012 at 12:29 PM

Apparently, I was misdiagnosed. I am not celiac - I am gluten intolerant due to SIBO. In my case it mimicked celiac disease, but I don't have a genetic autoimmune disorder. I just need to figure out what to do about my SIBO - it is hard to get rid of. You should not take DGL or marshmallow root if you have SIBO, because it aggravates it.

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2506 · August 20, 2012 at 4:37 PM

Have you indeed been tested for H. pylori? If you are certain you have it and want to tackle it through natural means then you'll have to throw a lot of things at it to have any chance of success. Do internet searches on mastic gum. Some folks have used it successfully to kill off H. pylori. But I read somewhere mastic can only kill the bacteria in an acidic environment, so taking a PPI will work against you. And using mastic (and manuka honey, etc) will take perhaps 2-3 months to eradicate H. pylori. Of course if you go the conventional route using antibiotics then you must take a PPI or an H2 blocker to eliminate gastric acid, and the treatment is only 10-14 days.

I was diagnosed with H. pylori after an endoscopy. I was suffering from weird abdominal issues including acid reflux from quite some time. The antibiotic treatment regimen was absolutely awful. But now 3 weeks later I am amazed at how all my symptoms have faded out. I think my gastric acid production has recovered as well as my gut flora, at least to an appreciable extent.

_Lazza

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10 · August 20, 2012 at 1:46 PM

Read the labels on PPIs . They are NOT meant for long term use. Most have fluorine in them which CAUSES digestive problems [destroys enzymes and blocks absorption]. See www.slweb.org and click on FTRC link for 300+ list of fluoinated drugs that wreak havoc in the body. PPI warning label states that overuse can cause GASTRITIS! Do not take antibiotics [NEVER take fluoroquinolones like Levaquin, Cipro, Factive etc] unless you have the Hpylori for sure. They kill off all the good gut bacteria and can also CAUSE gastritis. GAPS may help but also check out genetic testing of the MTHFR mutation [www.mthfr.com] as malabsorption of folic acid & B-12 can contribute to Gastritis. Loading up on regular vitamins will not help as you cannot absorb them. Special methylated versions or injections may be necessary but really helps.

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15400 · August 20, 2012 at 5:08 PM

Thank you SO MUCH!!! I have already figured that PPIs were horrible for me - they basically already wreaked havoc and I am dealing with consequences. You are totally right about everything. I am just trying to clean up the aftermath. Thanks again.

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10 · July 11, 2012 at 8:18 AM

I had tremendous health issues overs the years, and finally worked out it was due to my stomach. Had h pylori infection, took antiobiotics for that, but still have stomach issues but to a lesser extent. I am taking PPI - Omerprezole 20mg twice a day, and hopefully it heals my stomach.

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15400 · August 20, 2012 at 5:09 PM

I had a horrible experience with Omerprezole. If you start feeling something is wrong - drop them immediately.

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418 · June 02, 2012 at 3:29 PM

Take the antibiotics. Why don't you want to?

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15400 · June 02, 2012 at 4:39 PM

He said if the PPIs don't help in two weeks, then I should go with antibiotics.

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15400 · June 02, 2012 at 4:21 PM

He wants me to take PPIs.

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15400 · June 02, 2012 at 4:20 PM

I do, but the doc did not prescribe them. I will call him again and ask.

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2799 · June 02, 2012 at 1:29 PM

A friend of mine had good luck with mastic gum extract.

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15400 · June 02, 2012 at 4:21 PM

Thanks for your reply.

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809 · June 02, 2012 at 4:25 AM

I was on PP inhibitors with extremely bad acid reflux disease, and border line ulceritis. I hate to sound like I'm advertising a product, but after all Paleo is not one, its a lifestyle...anyways. I was on prescription PPIs for 2 yrs, expensive too. 2 months of Paleo= all issues gone. I reduced my alcohol intake signofocntly too, but I attribute this improvement to the lack of gut irritation and overall inflamantion since the dietary switch. Tremendous. I know mine was not a full blown ulcer, but ny issue was serious, with bad side effects which had me barely functioning throughout the day.

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15400 · August 21, 2012 at 3:04 AM

I am no longer taking PPIs - horrible side effects. I cannot digest too much fat. Not fat free, but I do not eat a lot of fat. No dairy either.

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809 · June 06, 2012 at 3:30 AM

I know paleo is huge onfat intake, but try lowering the amount of fat you consume, and see if this helps--high fat intake can cause digestive issues.Also, you mentioned that your paleo is very clean, so I hope you're dairy-free, if not, get rid of all dairy too. If you have to take the PPis do so, but space them out as much as possible, and ween yourself off them asap

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15400 · June 02, 2012 at 4:58 AM

And I don't drink AT ALL.

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15400 · June 02, 2012 at 4:57 AM

I have been on Paleo since October. A very very strict Paleo. Not sure what to do.

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809 · June 02, 2012 at 4:26 AM

* PP inhibitors* sorry aabout the grammar/spelling there

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@Eunice458 I stopped PPI a month ago. I had just started feeling perfectly good with the PPI when I stopped. But I stopped too early before my stomach was healed and that was a mistake. I should have kept taking it a few weeks/one month while I was feeling good. I also did the mistake to stop cold turkey instead of doing it every other day for a week, then every three days for a week, ...

When I stopped I had a lot of acid coming back and a lot of pain in my stomach, the rebound effect I guess or/and the fact that I was not healed.

Now I keep doing my diet, taking 1 tab DGL licorice 20-30 min before each meal, slippery Elm (2 tabs) between meals, and Pepzin GI 35mg three times a day. These are the only supplements that I feel work almost immediately. I take carrot juice with either spinach, celery, fennel, parsley, or beets, or a mix of those almost every day; I don't feel that it helps directly but it tastes good and it does not hurt, After a month, without the PPI and with the diet and the supplements, I feel much better, I have almost no stomach pain and no acid anymore. I feel good during the day but at night I still have a little bit of acid, but much less than before. I am confident that I am on the way to recovery from gastritis given one more month.

I tried a lot of other things that did not work or even hurt: I got diarrhea and bad breath with cabbage juice (I might try it again though). I got stomach pain with mastic gum and manukka honey. I got constipation and feeling not so good with prelief, I suspect it hurt my stomach but I am not sure, on the other hand it removes the acidity very well. I felt that ginger was irritating as well as all herbs and spices, so I gave them up completely. I felt dizzy and not so good with Zantac, even though it removes the acidity very well as well. My main worry with Zantac is that there might be a rebound effect as well, different than PPI but still there (I saw some article on internet, not sure I understood correctly). I tried "Reflux Relief" by Gaia but it did not help and I felt not so good with it, moreover it contains licorice that is not DGL and spearmint which is known to be bad for reflux. I tried Tums, it gives me immediate relief but then there is a small rebound 30-45 minutes later and I am worse, I believe it is the calcium carbonate to which the stomach reacts to. I did not try aloe vera juice as it is too acid (Ph 4.0) but I tried aloe vera distilled (not sure about the Ph), and I did not feel it was doing anything.

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@ines6375 are you still taking PPI?

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I have gastritis and I improved tremendously in one week by following Jamie Koufman advice from her book. She advice to follow a very strict diet for 2-4 weeks, then make it less strict for a few months.

As a summary I eliminated fat (meaning no nuts, no oils, no cheese, no red meat), foods with Ph less than 5 (no fruits except bananas, melon and watermelon, no yoghourt), foods known to pose problems (garlic, onions, spices, bell peppers, cucumber, tomatoes, coffee, chocolate, alcohol, sparkling water), medication bad for the stomach (including vitamins and fish oil).

What I eat: oatmael with banana, melon, watermelon and sometimes pears, rice, potatoes, carrot-celeri-red beet juice, stew with vegetables (parsnip, carrot, turnip, potatoes) and chicken, salads (no dressing), green beans, lentils, beans, chickpeas, chicken breast, lean fish and seafood, coconut water, ...

I do not smoke.

I take PPI every morning 30 minutes before breakfast.

I drink water with Ph 8.8 in between meals.

I am aware this is a paleo forum. The problem with following a paleo diet when one has gastritis is that the gastritis makes it hard to digest fat.

And if you remove the fat and the starches/cereals from your diet, it is very hard to get enough calories.

I think the diet is essential. I took PPI for a month and a half with little improvement until I started the diet, then every day I felt a little better.

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5650 · October 11, 2012 at 6:57 PM

i was taking zofran and prilosec daily for my gastritis but haven't had to since about one week in doing paleo. i used to throw up every day because of all the bile and stomach acid. i haven't had an upper GI scope since last november, but i don't see a need to check to make sure it's healed.

i believe in absolutely no starches until you are healed so i'd nix those.

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