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Feeding GLUTEN to all our cats?

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Created October 31, 2013 at 2:53 PM

More and more as I peruse the cat food isle and read the ingredients I find "wheat gluten" listed among the primary ingredients (canned food at least). Not wheat flower but concentrated gluten. Wheat is bad for us (at least most of us) and the main reason is the gluten. I'm finding it more and more difficult though to keep gluten out of my cat's diet. In fact, it would seem the industry wants to make it a staple in cat diets.

Cats are obligate carnivores. The only thing they should be getting from the wheat plant is a bit of greens, most of which they will barf up rather than digesting and metabolizing it. Could the industry really be poisoning our cats by using concentrated gluten as a filler to meet their crude protein benchmarks or am I just overreacting because it does such nasty things to my own body?

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598 · November 03, 2013 at 7:00 PM

We feed him canned food twice daily but do leave a plate of high quality dry food out for when he gets hungry in between his two daily meals.

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598 · November 03, 2013 at 3:37 PM

'Ya got me there. However, performing scientific experiments on my pet isn't exactly what I'd consider good practice.

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2353 · November 01, 2013 at 7:10 PM

That would be the scientific method.

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598 · November 01, 2013 at 5:25 PM

This may be very selfish, but I fear that feeding him meat will result in him getting into our dinner. Currently he leaves our food alone - hardly any interest. For this reason, my girlfriend will probably object heavily. It also sounds like a lot of work and quite expensive.

That said, I think i'll try it here and there. Do you feed him undercooked chicken? I know they're not meant to digest cooked meats and they lack some vital nutrients for cats...

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0 · November 01, 2013 at 4:57 PM

I had been feeding my cats a couple of good brands made in the USA (never China), Wellness and Blue, but one of my cats was diagnosed with terrible allergies to something he was eating (ear problem). I switched them all over a "hypoallergenic" prescription food called Royal Canin PV, which is both canned food and crunchies made of peas & venison. It's only been a few weeks but I've already noticed that their fur is getting fluffier. No grain at all in this food. Expensive, but not as expensive as all those vet bills I was getting.

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0 · November 01, 2013 at 4:47 PM

This is a useless post and adds nothing to the conversation, other than annoying people. Are you a troll?

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598 · October 31, 2013 at 8:17 PM

I have to wonder if she asked this to suggest I was silly for worrying about my cat's diet. I do love Mouser...

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198 · October 31, 2013 at 7:23 PM

Some folks can focus on more than one thing at a time, hence the question about taking good care of his pets. I don't think he stated that this was his all encompassing worry.

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598 · October 31, 2013 at 6:05 PM

Well, we've been avoiding any cat food with gluten and most anything with grain-based ingredients. The cat is doing fine. What, should I feed him gluten for a week and see if he's okay with it? lol...

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598 · October 31, 2013 at 6:04 PM

My biggest concern? I literally do not understand your question. I am, however, a very lucky guy.

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40 · November 03, 2013 at 3:06 PM

@Methodician Sorry for some reason Paleohacks isn't letting me reply as a comment.

I think it depends on the cat. My cat's strangely chill so I've managed to train him to not bother my meals. It's selfish but reasonable, I hesitated on that too xD

In terms of cost, I actually found it cheaper to feed him whole meat instead of cat food. I don't get fancy cuts or anything. His staple is whatever cheap chicken part I find at the supermarket that isn't organ (I feed organ once a week as a vitamin "supplement". I'm afraid too much organ meat might overwhelm his body with selenium and other minerals) which comes down to 3euro/kg or less (lasting a week) while cat food was 6e/kg or more.

I occasionally slightly boil just to get rid of surface bacteria, but it's mostly to give me peace of mind. Cat guts handle bacteria much better than human's and the concern with supermarket meat is mostly bacteria, not parasites. Some people bake their meats for a few minutes but it's more convenient for me to boil. The only issue with cooking too much is that it makes the bones sharp when cut and therefore dangerous if the cat bites through it and swallows without chewing enough.

I feed him before I have breakfast and after I have dinner but feeding him before dinner for you might help your cat avoid interest in dinner as well.

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1005 · November 11, 2013 at 4:00 AM

Eew no! Cats are carnivores, and gluten is just as toxic to cats as it is to humans, if not more! It makes them sick! Commercial cat food is loaded with gluten and other grains because it's cheap, but it just keeps the cats fat and alive. Feed your cats a raw food diet (could be tricky for your kitteh to transition, as cats tends to be picky eaters and creatures of habit) or feed your cat commercial raw food. (yes, it does exist, just check the ingredients)

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0 · November 04, 2013 at 4:45 PM

I took my dogs off grains when I did it myself. They are so much healthier for it. It just saddens me I didn't know what I know now when I had cats and other dogs, years ago. I was feeding a dog with diabetes vet recommended dog food with corn in it. :(

My min pin changed the most of the two. He lost weight (needed to), his dandruff went away, a skin colored mole-ish looking thing over his eye disappeared, and he is way happier, running around, more playful, and he's 11.

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0 · November 03, 2013 at 6:55 PM

One of my cats was diagnosed with diabetes a few years ago. Developed from a life of eating dry cat food. Cats natural diet not only contains no grains but practically no carbs. Their optimum diet is below 7% carbs but in nature it's even less. In nature they eat mice and birds and other small animals (all protein and fat).

Take it from me, you should not feed your cat dry food at all. Even grain free can be as high as 30% carbs and other starches will spike blood sugar just as much as grains. Now I have to inject my cat with insulin twice a day for the rest of his life

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598 · November 03, 2013 at 7:00 PM

We feed him canned food twice daily but do leave a plate of high quality dry food out for when he gets hungry in between his two daily meals.

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40 · November 03, 2013 at 2:58 PM

@Methodician Sorry, for some reason Paleohacks wont let me just add a comment..

In terms of cost, I actually found it cheaper to feed him whole meat instead of cat food. I don't get fancy cuts or anything. His staple is whatever cheap chicken part I find at the supermarket that isn't organ (organ once a week as a vitamin "supplement") which comes down to 3euro/kg or less while cat food was 5E/kg or more. I occasionally slightly boil just to get rid of surface bacteria, but it's mostly to give me peace of mind. Cat guts handle bacteria much better than human's and the concern with supermarket meat is mostly bacteria, not parasites. Some people bake their meats for a few minutes but it's more convenient for me to boil. The only issue with cooking too much is that it makes the bones sharp when cut and dangerous if the cat bites and swallows. I feed him before I have breakfast and after I have dinner but feeding before dinner would probably help your cat avoid interest in dinner as well.

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832 · November 01, 2013 at 5:25 PM

Just like in people food, there are choices in cat food too. We feed grain-free, kitty is healthy and never throws up.

http://www.acana.com/products/regionals/wild-prairie-cat-kitten/

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40 · October 31, 2013 at 11:39 PM

Yes the industry is definitely poisoning our cats. I adopted my cat Axel from a shelter and he arrived to me sick. The shelter had told me he was sent to the vet for a week 2 days before I went to pick him up. I was told to feed him specific foods to help his digestion for reasons til this day unknown (what antibiotics was the kitten given? Only god knows now) and so I did despite the ingredients list scaring me. Note this food was recommended by the vet, and yet the carb content was incomprehensible. Don't get me started on the fact it was dry food. The days I fed him that food, he would vomit occasionally and his excrement smelled very bad. Also, he got sick again, with the same illness he had before I got him. Note that this was not an old cat, he was 4 months then. I brought him to another vet who told me to get behind the counter antibiotic eye gel for humans. I also started feeding him slightly under-boiled meats. Every day he got better until he was cured and never got sick again, never vomited, and had not extremely odorous stools. Who would have thought?

With the little info we have on human nutrition, you can imagine how much less we have on cats'. It's a risk to take but I've been taking a paleo approach for my cat and he's been going great. There are many other success stories online about such things. Some go as far as advocating a raw diet. It depends on you, it's a risk to take. You have to experiment a little, see what works for your cat. I suggest lean meats and whatever you might think he would eat in the wild. I personally give him most often pieces of chicken with bones, since cat teeth are meant to chew small animals' bones. When he was younger I made sure the pieces had bones soft enough for him to chew and swallow properly (while he was losing his baby teeth) I say don't even think about it too much. You'd be surprised at what he can make his way through. As long as it's lean, and not too saturated with fat he would eat.

I could go on forever about this but I'll end it here. Feed him raw or partially boiled/baked meats if you're worried about bacteria. Adopt a paleo approach (think what he would hunt in the wild) and he'll be fine and healthy. If you want more suggestions, don't hesitate to ask! And good luck with your kitty~

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598 · November 01, 2013 at 5:25 PM

This may be very selfish, but I fear that feeding him meat will result in him getting into our dinner. Currently he leaves our food alone - hardly any interest. For this reason, my girlfriend will probably object heavily. It also sounds like a lot of work and quite expensive.

That said, I think i'll try it here and there. Do you feed him undercooked chicken? I know they're not meant to digest cooked meats and they lack some vital nutrients for cats...

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8065 · October 31, 2013 at 7:50 PM

I wonder the same thing about dogs. While they are carnivores, they eat other things to, but they certainly don't need grains! There are raw food diets for dogs and I remember some vet has the "Catkins" diet for dogs and cats that is low in carbs. Makes more sense to me. But I can't convince my husband, so our dog continues to receive canned food and kibble, and she has some digestive issues. I think she needs a doggy version of GAPS!

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198 · October 31, 2013 at 7:32 PM

Pet food is generally filled with grains to cut the cost of feeding your pet, using gluten is an even bigger scam for protein content. If everyone had to pay for high quality meat protein based food, I think we would be overrun with cats and dogs in the street. And if you are unlucky enough to source food from China who knows what else is in the food.

I was looking into buying a hand cranked meat grinder from Amazon and noticed how many people are buying these to make cat food. You might want to consider that if you are as passionate about your cat as you appear. I'm allergic to the little guys so I pay more attention to dog food as I have a big Airedale to feed. I use Canidae which also has cat food.

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2303 · October 31, 2013 at 4:10 PM

Is this really your biggest concern? If so, you are one lucky guy.

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198 · October 31, 2013 at 7:23 PM

Some folks can focus on more than one thing at a time, hence the question about taking good care of his pets. I don't think he stated that this was his all encompassing worry.

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598 · October 31, 2013 at 6:04 PM

My biggest concern? I literally do not understand your question. I am, however, a very lucky guy.

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598 · October 31, 2013 at 8:17 PM

I have to wonder if she asked this to suggest I was silly for worrying about my cat's diet. I do love Mouser...

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0 · November 01, 2013 at 4:47 PM

This is a useless post and adds nothing to the conversation, other than annoying people. Are you a troll?

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2353 · October 31, 2013 at 3:44 PM

How's your cat been reacting to the cat food you've been feeding it?

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598 · October 31, 2013 at 6:05 PM

Well, we've been avoiding any cat food with gluten and most anything with grain-based ingredients. The cat is doing fine. What, should I feed him gluten for a week and see if he's okay with it? lol...

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598 · November 03, 2013 at 3:37 PM

'Ya got me there. However, performing scientific experiments on my pet isn't exactly what I'd consider good practice.

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2353 · November 01, 2013 at 7:10 PM

That would be the scientific method.

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