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Dysbiosis (Gut Flora) Clarification Question

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Created May 13, 2013 at 5:38 PM

I had been strict paleo + pastured dairy for about two years. Great health during that time. Did a deployment to the middle east, and have been extremely sick for the six months I've been back (hair loss, joint pain, flu like symptoms, etc.)

Did all kinds of labs for the usual infectious diseases and everything has been normal. I've determined it's probably dysbiosis, since I ate whatever I could for the time I was gone.

I've got a pretty good idea of what to eat to help restore the balance, though I've read a lot conflicting info.

The biggest things in my diet that I've gotten conflicting info on are coconut products, whey protein, dextrose, heavy cream, pork, and coffee.

Anyone's input with some n=1 experience or knowledge that could help with clarification would be greatly appreciated.

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15400 · May 14, 2013 at 7:31 PM

Stephen, totally agree. Vitamin A is essential.

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10994 · May 14, 2013 at 2:16 PM

And this: http://www.nleducation.co.uk/resources/reviews/vitamin-a-the-key-to-a-tolerant-immune-system/#_ftnref3 . Thoughts?

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10994 · May 14, 2013 at 2:07 PM

Hey vb, I ran across this article and thought you might have some insight into what you think about it: http://www.nutraingredients.com/Research/More-support-for-vitamin-A-against-inflammation .

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15400 · May 14, 2013 at 5:07 AM

@Coconut - when people tell you this, I guess it means I spend too much time on Paleohacks. I was planning to leave after my complete recovery. Now I think maybe earlier?

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1925 · May 14, 2013 at 1:46 AM

VB doesn't know me but funny thing is, I feel like I know her, rather too intimately... great, now I sound like a stalker..

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15400 · May 13, 2013 at 7:15 PM

Bacteria is plural, right? Then "eat".

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15400 · May 13, 2013 at 7:14 PM

I am actually thinking about writing a book - "You are what your gut bacteria eats." Too bad I hate writing.

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10994 · May 13, 2013 at 7:12 PM

+1 because when it comes to gut flora/ dysbiosis you probably know the most of anyone here.

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1649 · May 14, 2013 at 9:25 PM

I agree that you should be sure that you don't have some kind of parasite or something in the gut BEFORE you just go with the blanket diagnosis of dysbiosis. I would get a comprehensive stool test, possibly through metametrix. That will show not only any possible parasites or other infection, but will also show the make-up of your bacterial colony. For me, I have had gut problems foreevvvaaa. I tested and hoped to God that I had some kind of infection, but alas, I did not. I do however have a very poorly populated gut and am working to fix that. It is a very slow work in progress though. Good luck!

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15400 · May 13, 2013 at 6:30 PM

How do you know you have dysbiosis? How do you know you don't have any parasites? Which ones have you been screened for - there are so many of them.

I cannot share my n=1 because it is too long. But this is what I think:

Dysbiosis is caused by something. It could be SIBO or something else. SIBO is caused by something. SIBO creates a perfect environment for parasites.

Have you been screened for pathogenic bacteria, such as Staph, E. Coli, etc.? There are many different kinds as well.

So if I were you, I would complete elaborate testing for every pathogen/parasite out there. And for your gut flora - if you are deficient. Once you know what you have, it is very easy to restore your gut flora. You just need to make sure you don't have parasites, otherwise it won't work.

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1925 · May 14, 2013 at 1:46 AM

VB doesn't know me but funny thing is, I feel like I know her, rather too intimately... great, now I sound like a stalker..

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15400 · May 13, 2013 at 7:14 PM

I am actually thinking about writing a book - "You are what your gut bacteria eats." Too bad I hate writing.

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10994 · May 14, 2013 at 2:07 PM

Hey vb, I ran across this article and thought you might have some insight into what you think about it: http://www.nutraingredients.com/Research/More-support-for-vitamin-A-against-inflammation .

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15400 · May 13, 2013 at 7:15 PM

Bacteria is plural, right? Then "eat".

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10994 · May 14, 2013 at 2:16 PM

And this: http://www.nleducation.co.uk/resources/reviews/vitamin-a-the-key-to-a-tolerant-immune-system/#_ftnref3 . Thoughts?

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15400 · May 14, 2013 at 5:07 AM

@Coconut - when people tell you this, I guess it means I spend too much time on Paleohacks. I was planning to leave after my complete recovery. Now I think maybe earlier?

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10994 · May 13, 2013 at 7:12 PM

+1 because when it comes to gut flora/ dysbiosis you probably know the most of anyone here.

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15400 · May 14, 2013 at 7:31 PM

Stephen, totally agree. Vitamin A is essential.

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327 · May 13, 2013 at 5:59 PM

be careful you don't have gulf war syndrome

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5802 · May 14, 2013 at 9:39 PM

Here is a good protocol to give you an idea of what to start eating, what to add when, possible reactions. (This is for SIBO - small intestine bacterial overgrowth - but it's applicable to all gut issues).

http://www.eat-real-food-paleodietitian.com/support-files/SIBO-gut-healing-protocol.pdf

The reason you are probably seeing conflicting info is that different people have different rxns to these things.

Pork should be be fine, from the beginning, as long as it is "clean." (US Wellness Meats has some great pork products).

Whey is probably the most processed thing on here, and you should probably not eat it the first few weeks. I have heard that for people with sensitive guts, whey isolate seems to be a better choice than whey concentrate (and of course more expensive).

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