7660f5a0ec906d3922d79b20f3434ecc
3

How bad is MSG?

by (788)
Updated about 20 hours ago
Created May 08, 2012 at 12:19 PM

It is artificial and has been known to cause problems, but on what level would you put this cheat? In my mind I have some sugar/vegetable oil on the low end of the spectrum and gluten/wheat at the very top.

I have been finding mixed evidence about how harmful it is even in the paleo community. So, let hear personal opinions.

How big of a cheat is MSG for you?

374925bd0c30305e4027c25e8815b298
103 · July 10, 2013 at 8:01 PM

And this is a problem I have with people who believe that MSG is evil: they don't discriminate between MSG and free glumatic acid. As such, Organic homemade broth is the same to them as the GMO PUFA oil cooked, gluten covered rice bran meat that also happens to have msg. Okay, that's two problems.

374925bd0c30305e4027c25e8815b298
103 · July 10, 2013 at 8:01 PM

And this is a problem with people who believe that MSG is evil: they don't discriminate between MSG and free glumatic acid. As such, Organic homemade broth is the same to them as the GMO PUFA oil cooked, gluten covered rice bran meat that also happens to have msg. Okay, that's two problems.

374925bd0c30305e4027c25e8815b298
103 · July 10, 2013 at 7:49 PM

"But where are paleo eaters eating MSG anyway" You can find MSG on it's own and the stuff is almost as sneaky as wheat, so if you're putting things in your mouth that were not completely prepared by you, you're probably eating the stuff.

5e92edc5a180787a60a252a8232006e9
340 · June 11, 2012 at 2:19 PM

This is what I heard from people who consume MSG unwittingly.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46
41452 · June 11, 2012 at 1:16 PM

Because it's a flavor enhancer, why not eat it? Certainly could be that damage, inflammed and leaky guts can't handle it, but then, studies haven't supported the idea that such a sensitivity exists.

7660f5a0ec906d3922d79b20f3434ecc
788 · June 11, 2012 at 11:24 AM

I was planning on frequenting Pho places.

7660f5a0ec906d3922d79b20f3434ecc
788 · June 11, 2012 at 11:24 AM

For me it is because I wanted to frequent Pho places.

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5
5381 · June 11, 2012 at 4:34 AM

Why eat it, when glutamic acid, and glutamine are naturally occuring. Whats the health benefit (/point)?

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46
41452 · May 27, 2012 at 1:12 PM

Nocebo effects and rationalizing that because you get sick it must be hidden MSG?

Eedf46c82d0356d1d46dda5f9782ef36
4464 · May 08, 2012 at 5:58 PM

I know it's on wiki so it MUST be true but this is just wrong. My wife will have a migraine within half an hour of consuming MSG, even if she didn't know she ate any. She has to be very careful in restaurants or with anything in a package or pre-made sauce.

0d0842381492a41b2173a04014aae810
4875 · May 08, 2012 at 5:32 PM

+1 for it being a neurotoxin. See Dr. Blaylock's talks on excitotoxins for more on that subject.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4
20411 · May 08, 2012 at 2:43 PM

BBQ Fritos are back on the menu, boys!

Total Views
3.5K

Recent Activity
D5d982a898721d3392c85f951d0bf0aa

Last Activity
67D AGO

Followers
0

Get Free Paleo Recipes Instantly

17 Answers

D5d982a898721d3392c85f951d0bf0aa
4
2417 · June 11, 2012 at 2:34 AM

I'm still not sold on it being evil. I think it's a red herring for a lot of people. Glutamates abound in life. Mmmm, glutamates. The dose makes the poison and all.

But where are paleo eaters eating MSG anyway? I know my Dorito days are behind me...and gluten kicked me out of Chinese restaurants years ago...it's in processed food. Why is it even an issue?

7660f5a0ec906d3922d79b20f3434ecc
788 · June 11, 2012 at 11:24 AM

I was planning on frequenting Pho places.

7660f5a0ec906d3922d79b20f3434ecc
788 · June 11, 2012 at 11:24 AM

For me it is because I wanted to frequent Pho places.

374925bd0c30305e4027c25e8815b298
103 · July 10, 2013 at 7:49 PM

"But where are paleo eaters eating MSG anyway" You can find MSG on it's own and the stuff is almost as sneaky as wheat, so if you're putting things in your mouth that were not completely prepared by you, you're probably eating the stuff.

91c2e2a35e578e2e79ce7d631b753879
2
2081 · May 09, 2012 at 8:14 PM

MSG causes me excruciating muscle pains, especially in my shoulders, neck, jaw and back. If someone proved the regular ingestion of it over a period of 6 weeks would make me look like Marilyn Monroe, I wouldn't knowingly eat anything with it.

99aca1e07394135ea1e040582ce54b4d
2
334 · May 08, 2012 at 6:20 PM

I hate the stuff, mostly because of how it makes me feel. If I eat it, I generally end up waking several times during the night with a raging thirst.

5e92edc5a180787a60a252a8232006e9
340 · June 11, 2012 at 2:19 PM

This is what I heard from people who consume MSG unwittingly.

3b38bcc91dbfc6a114f4bdce544103d3
2
404 · May 08, 2012 at 5:45 PM

Never allowed! I guess my biggest concern in my household with MSG IS the fact that if we have it we shortly are fighting over the bathroom, so in MY HOUSE its not allowed period. Its a poison to us. The end result is not fun! No pun indended.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46
2
41452 · May 08, 2012 at 3:25 PM

Not a concern at all really, in my mind. In experiments with folks who think they're sensitive to MSG has never shown they react any more than with placebo. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glutamic_acid_%28flavor%29#Safety_as_a_flavor_enhancer and associated references.

Eedf46c82d0356d1d46dda5f9782ef36
4464 · May 08, 2012 at 5:58 PM

I know it's on wiki so it MUST be true but this is just wrong. My wife will have a migraine within half an hour of consuming MSG, even if she didn't know she ate any. She has to be very careful in restaurants or with anything in a package or pre-made sauce.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46
41452 · May 27, 2012 at 1:12 PM

Nocebo effects and rationalizing that because you get sick it must be hidden MSG?

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5
5381 · June 11, 2012 at 4:34 AM

Why eat it, when glutamic acid, and glutamine are naturally occuring. Whats the health benefit (/point)?

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46
41452 · June 11, 2012 at 1:16 PM

Because it's a flavor enhancer, why not eat it? Certainly could be that damage, inflammed and leaky guts can't handle it, but then, studies haven't supported the idea that such a sensitivity exists.

3327924660b1e2f8f8fc4ca27fedf2b2
2
2904 · May 08, 2012 at 1:10 PM

MSG makes me feel like I took L-Carnitine because I feel really warm inside. Almost stimulant-like warm. Not sure what that means, but I haven't eaten MSG (to my knowledge) in at least 2 years.

MSG is a legitimate neurotoxin.

0d0842381492a41b2173a04014aae810
4875 · May 08, 2012 at 5:32 PM

+1 for it being a neurotoxin. See Dr. Blaylock's talks on excitotoxins for more on that subject.

5759bd89db5f73cabe0a6e8f8e6e1cb9
2
1467 · May 08, 2012 at 12:57 PM

I wouldnt consider it a 'cheat'. I consider it a poison and worse than wheat in the spectrum on foods but that's more my personal reaction and you are right about there being mixed evidence on the dangers of msg.

But I guess it comes down to how immune you are to these things.

I get cold sores within hours of msg in my food. I also get itchy skin so for me it's not an option to have msg.

5e92edc5a180787a60a252a8232006e9
1
340 · June 11, 2012 at 2:27 PM

As you can see from the responses above, MSG's effect is highly individual. Some people do not ract to it. Some do severely. For some, it's noticeable but not a source of discomfort. The effect is similar to reaction to artificial (or natural) sweeteners: stevia, splenda, aspartame, Equal, Sweete'n'Low, sugar alcohol, etc.

My guess is that there are very few severe reactions but those who do are much more vocal about it. So the effect on the Average Joe and Mean Sallie are somewhat exaggerated. Like it or not, MSG is widely used in Asian cuisine. If you visit Asian countries, you cannot help but ingest MSG. They're also widely used in prepared dishes in Asian restaurants and stores. Just look at the ingredient list for Kimchi and other foods typically thought to be wholesome. Also, look at the ingredients in your BBQ sauce: that yeast extract is MSG

I personally don't react badly to MSG but I can definitely taste the difference. The immediate effect is the salty and stinging sensation under my toungue: I don't like it and that's why I avoid it.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84
1
17103 · May 09, 2012 at 7:07 PM

It's an excitotoxin, not quite as evil as aspertame, but still, no thanks. On the positive side you can probably counter MSG's nasty effects with GABA if you suspect you've been exposed to it.

18cadec1b925b241781e580e00466bc4
1
10 · May 09, 2012 at 5:11 AM

MSG? no thanks. it gives me stomach pains and the most disgusting ever wind. starts on the dot about 1.5 hours after i had any in my food and lasts around 24 hours.

whatever is in there i avoid it like the plague...

Eedf46c82d0356d1d46dda5f9782ef36
1
4464 · May 08, 2012 at 5:56 PM

It's never caused me problems, but if my wife accidentally eats any it'll cause a migraine.

7fc82eebafd44badc73c520f44660150
1
3280 · May 08, 2012 at 3:52 PM

I read the book on MSG years ago, before going paleo. People who are sensitive to MSG (free glutamic acid) would normally avoid slow cookers because that's pretty much how you make free glutamic acid: heat + acid + time.

Now that I'm paleo, I'm slow cooking all the time and feeling pretty good/

Hmm.

It's easy (at least for me) to get drawn into a hazard-of-the-day mentality. I need to work hard to keep a good perspective and not get too obsessed.

Mike

374925bd0c30305e4027c25e8815b298
103 · July 10, 2013 at 8:01 PM

And this is a problem I have with people who believe that MSG is evil: they don't discriminate between MSG and free glumatic acid. As such, Organic homemade broth is the same to them as the GMO PUFA oil cooked, gluten covered rice bran meat that also happens to have msg. Okay, that's two problems.

374925bd0c30305e4027c25e8815b298
103 · July 10, 2013 at 8:01 PM

And this is a problem with people who believe that MSG is evil: they don't discriminate between MSG and free glumatic acid. As such, Organic homemade broth is the same to them as the GMO PUFA oil cooked, gluten covered rice bran meat that also happens to have msg. Okay, that's two problems.

C56baa1b4f39839c018180bf63226f7d
1
3499 · May 08, 2012 at 3:51 PM

Not good, does cause issues with satiety, circadian rhythm, and hormone balance IME, but there's also the problem that MSG usually comes in forms that are also high in histamines. If you have histamine intolerance, it's a doubly bad idea to eat soy sauce, hydrolyzed vegetable protein, autolyzed yeast extract, etc.

Bfa1c9eacfc94a1b62f3a39b574480c6
1
3690 · May 08, 2012 at 3:25 PM

May induce overeating and perhaps some disproportionate lipogenesis, but I'm not sure if it's due to the effects by itself, or a result of the overfeeding.

If you think about the foods that contain MSG anyway, I can't imagine it being the worst cheat, but to me, I feel even if you ask for no-MSG, the food quality you receive is still pretty dismal (I'm talking asian restaurants in general). If it's not too dismal, everything's probably made in soybean oil at wok-temperatures (very very hot).

Steamed fish is a safe bet for me (despite the soy sauce and maybe oil they add to it).

Hey, you do the best you can right?

589dbc46d802621f759a2a05ec1aa72c
0
119 · July 10, 2013 at 7:40 PM

Based on my own experience, I put aspartame at the head of the worst-ingredients list, with MSG second, then HFCS, pasta, margarine, cola and other soft drinks, drinks, fried flour and fried cornmeal. Other cheats are really not usually a big deal in moderation for me.

F093859f703f565c9a183ba22eae46ee
-1
-2 · July 10, 2013 at 6:22 PM

bbq sauce isnt thought to be wholesome u fkn moron

Answer Question

Login to Your PaleoHacks Account

Get Free Paleo Recipes