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Thanks for your advice[on my tiredness], but its not working? I still feel really tired?

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Created April 18, 2012 at 7:59 AM

http://paleohacks.com/questions/110117/why-do-i-feel-tired-all-the-time-and-i-have-brain-fog#axzz1rC4sPgeB

was my older question. i'll paste it below.

I have increased my carbs, but I haven't noticed any benefit. But I will keep this up because it is more convenient to consume carbs than avoid them. It may not be related, but after eating potatoes(maybe rice, i havent been keeping track) afterwards I get bloating and gas. Ive had that before, and I think the amount of times that happens is correlated to my carb/potato intake(ill have to double check on that though)

Doctors blood tests:

adrenals and thyroid- came up good. B12- above normal levels, so good. iron- good levels viral infections- none detected[the doctor thought this would be a highly likely cause of fatigue because im a teenager]

I don't know why, but I decided to cut the chocolate[70% cocoa]. I've been off it for about two or three days, and it wasnt it the previous question cause i didnt think it was relevant, but i had some pimples on my face. now its stopped appearing and i think it wouldnt. the only ingredients in it are coooa mass, cocoa butter, sugar, soy lecithin and tiny amount of vanilla flavor. i couldnt be bothered searching it up, but i have a hunch its the soy lecithin. its been really tempting to eat it especially when i cant find any other food but ive stopped. anyway it didnt seem to make a difference on my fatigue.

Also, another thing, I havent really been doing sprints lately because I cant be bothered. Maybe thats why Im so tired?

I'd really appreciate some more advice. High(er) carb and seeing the doctor didnt help, and that was pretty much what everyone said.

Here's my previous question:

"Why do I feel tired all the time? and I have brain fog?

I'm a 15 yr old guy. I've been paleo for about 1 or 2 years. Before that I was on the standard industrial diet, but I wasn't fat. I reckon now I'm pretty healthy, except that I feel tired all the time. I also have this brain fog that I can't get rid of. I've tried to find the cause of this, but it's very difficult. Going paleo helped a lot, but it's still there. It's manageable now when before it was a major issue.

It can't be a hydration issue- i drink about 2 cups (400 ml) of water every so often maybe 30 minutes to an hour. In total I estimate that I drink about 3-4 litres of water a day. I find that if I forget to drink water or I get to tired to refill, I feel massively worse, I may not need that much, but it's just a precaution because I've once drank only about 1-1 1/2 litres of water a day and I felt 5x worse than I usually do. I think switching to paleo made me need more water.

It can't be a vit D3 issue- while in the winter in New zealand (auckland, which is 37 degrees south, which is approximately equivalent to california?) I feel worse. right now summer has ended, and I have been going out regularly to midday sun without sunblock. VitD3 does help, but I'm pretty sure I'm not deficient.

It may be chemical poisoning, but I've cut pretty much all chemicals (bathroom products, processed foods, cleaning products) but I don't filter my water or eat organic, so I may be getting poisoned there. However, my friends drink the same water, eat a lot worse, and have chemicals like deodorants and soaps and stuff on them, and they arent tired. I don't take any medication/drugs by the way.

It may be vit B/B12, but I eat meat a lot more than my friends do, but they arent tired. It may be EMF radiation, but I don't use a microwave and I don't have a cellphone, which my friends use regularly. I do however use a laptop sometimes (most of the time im on a desktop). I also use wireless internet. and I have an Mp3 player I carry all the time. It may be sugar or caffiene- the main source of sugar I eat would be dark chocolate (70% cocoa) because I need that caffeine to keep going. I eat about 200 grams of that a day. But I heard studies proved dark chocolate was healthy, especially with the healthy fat in it. I also sometimes eat white rice/potatoes because of parents it is impractical to go 100% paleo. So I try and eat the "safe starches".

It may be stress/sleeping issues- but although I was stressed most of my life, I'm not stressed now. Also while I may be sleeping approx 10 minutes less a day, I catch up on the weekends. which is more than I can say for my friends, who again aren't tired. It may be adrenal fatigue due to the stress, but even with the stress removed, it helps, but its still there.

It may be candida etc due to sugar, but I eat a lot less sugar than most people. I don't think it's excercise because I do weights and sprints regularly (high intensity) Maybe everyone feels this tired, but I'm the only one complaining about it, so its unlikely.

It's not fair that I feel so tired and cant concentrate all the time, while my friends who eat 50%+ processed food/sugar have loads of energy. Also, my parents, while they are unhealthy(not that unhealthy, imagine the typical slightly overweight middleaged woman for my mom, while middleaged guy who looks thin with a slight pot belly for my dad) do not have this energy problem.

If anyone has any advice as to whats going on, I'd really appreciate it.

edit: Im going to try to add starches. But even when I was high carb once, I still was tired. Maybe it was due to other stuff, so I don't know for sure if starches helped."

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110 · September 07, 2013 at 1:28 AM

I don't know if I'm gluten intolerant or not. I probably should have made it clearer, eliminating chocolate helped my pimples/acne(which to me is not a big deal) but NOT my tiredness/ brain fog. But it's a definite possiblity that I have trace amounts of gluten in my diet elsewhere.

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110 · April 25, 2012 at 4:03 AM

ive tried avoiding all gluten (in fact i havent been eating any gluten for months, maybe some bread like once every two months) but its not made much difference. i dont actually feel worse after eating gluten so i dont think its gluten intolerance. also its very inconvienient to avoid potatoes, tomatoes, rice, butter and eggs. so i havent been doing it. i havent taken any multivitamins yet. im gonna try to eat some yogurt to improve my gut health. i also am looking into supplementing with betaine hcl.

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555 · April 24, 2012 at 10:56 PM

Nice - any updates Samuel?

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1794 · April 19, 2012 at 1:04 PM

Yeah, I thought it was interesting. Give it a shot for sure!

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4002 · April 19, 2012 at 5:06 AM

Keep a food journal too see if you notice a link between certain types of carbs and your GI symptoms... Many health problems start in the gut! SIBO and leaky gut are often associated and some of the symptoms you describe could be the result of these conditions!

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15400 · April 19, 2012 at 4:48 AM

A few cm difference from a few months ago??? That is fast! My friends' son went through this. Basically, it is a growth spur and all your systems are trying to adjust - like your blood vessels, your skeletal, etc. It is very important to eat right during this time. Yes, you will outgrow it. As soon as your growth stops, you will feel better. BUT: AVOID GLUTEN and stick to 100% Paleo all the time. I know you might be gluten intolerant. Being Paleo won't hurt you. Eating gluten might.

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110 · April 19, 2012 at 3:51 AM

i havent. i dont always experience them, and i dont really keep track of what i eat but im pretty sure its not all the time.

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110 · April 19, 2012 at 3:50 AM

im 172 cm and i think im the middle or a growth spurt. im not growing too fast though, cause theres only about a few cm difference from a few months ago.

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110 · April 19, 2012 at 3:47 AM

that is very interesting. I would have to give it a go because after reading into it, i have a strong feeling that this is really likely to be the cause.

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110 · April 19, 2012 at 3:43 AM

in schooltime i sleep about 9 hours. in the weekends or holidays i sleep 11-12 hours. i cant really tell the difference either way but i think im getting enough sleep. in schooltime i bike 2km approx to school and back but im too lazy to do anything now. but i still do some pullups.

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110 · April 19, 2012 at 3:41 AM

Of course i would not know for sure, because i do not know for sure(but i can guess) what other people are feeling. but im 99.99+% sure that its not just in my head.

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110 · April 19, 2012 at 3:40 AM

No- I have never taken a multivitamin, but I assumed(and my doctor said) i should not take supplements because they are all inferior that if I had gotten them(vitamins and nutrients) from my diet.

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15400 · April 18, 2012 at 5:55 PM

I second that. You sound like gluten intolerance. Go for elimination diet. It is basically meat/fish and vegetables (except nightshades) and fruit. Not a crumb, not even a little tiny microscopic one. No dairy, no eggs, no grain. Also, if you are like me, you will need something to stimulate your liver. Not sure what it could be... I will think of something. One month gluten free. I disagree with your doctor, by the way.

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15400 · April 18, 2012 at 5:53 PM

I have been teaching teenagers for over ten years. They sleep for 12 hours, that's true, but then they have more energy than wild horses. Teenagers have more energy than one turbine in a nuclear power plant, let me assure you. He has a problem and it is nothing to do with sleeping.

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1515 · April 18, 2012 at 2:13 PM

not reading all of this, but i remember mentioning before that you probably got dysbiosis, so carbs/starch are the last thing you should be eating. GAPS intro diet for you, at least to see if it helps.

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555 · April 18, 2012 at 2:08 PM

Samuel - do you currently or have you recently been taking a multivitamin?

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383 · April 18, 2012 at 1:38 PM

I'll +1 this; 12 hours would have been conservative for my brother and I. If you don't have energy for sport then drop it until your body can handle it - presuming of course that you're still moving regularly at a slow pace. Lack of movement is paradoxically exhausting too.

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7275 · April 18, 2012 at 11:40 AM

Samuel, are you gluten intolerant that you know of? I have celiac disease and have been struggling with brain fog and fatigue, too, even though many of my other symptoms cleared up. My gastroenterologist thinks the problem is continued low-grade irritation of the bowels (either by trace amounts of gluten, or something else I'm allergic to). I know quite a few brands of dark chocolate have trace amounts of gluten in them, so if the chocolate is giving you a problem, it could be gluten rather than the soy lecithin. Have you been tested for celiac disease, or food allergies?

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1489 · April 18, 2012 at 9:43 AM

Yeah I suppose with all that growing and changing in your body 24/7 it kind of doesn't really ever get a break for a good few years...even when you sleep you're growing...no rest for the wicked!

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110 · April 18, 2012 at 8:12 AM

the doctor suggested that i had to try to "live with it" as many people with bad medical conditions just try to manage it the best they can. i really dont want to do that. it would be one thing to wait for it to go away, but another to be this tired my entire life.

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1489 · April 18, 2012 at 8:10 AM

what did the doctor suggest?

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220 · April 18, 2012 at 9:04 AM

Mate, I vaguely remember reading something about teenagers going through a patch where no matter how much sleep they get they feel tired all the time. Part of growing up andgoing through changes. I don't remember experiencing it myself, (it's been 16 years since I was a teenager, but I used to be able to sleep for about 12 hours when I was our age, whereas now I'm lucky to last to 7. It might just be something you grow out of...fingers crossed.

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15400 · April 18, 2012 at 5:53 PM

I have been teaching teenagers for over ten years. They sleep for 12 hours, that's true, but then they have more energy than wild horses. Teenagers have more energy than one turbine in a nuclear power plant, let me assure you. He has a problem and it is nothing to do with sleeping.

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1489 · April 18, 2012 at 9:43 AM

Yeah I suppose with all that growing and changing in your body 24/7 it kind of doesn't really ever get a break for a good few years...even when you sleep you're growing...no rest for the wicked!

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110 · April 19, 2012 at 3:41 AM

Of course i would not know for sure, because i do not know for sure(but i can guess) what other people are feeling. but im 99.99+% sure that its not just in my head.

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383 · April 18, 2012 at 1:38 PM

I'll +1 this; 12 hours would have been conservative for my brother and I. If you don't have energy for sport then drop it until your body can handle it - presuming of course that you're still moving regularly at a slow pace. Lack of movement is paradoxically exhausting too.

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1257 · April 18, 2012 at 11:54 AM

I'm guessing that you have a food intolerance to something. I have an intolerance to casein (protein in dairy), and even a little bit of it will result in brain fog and exhaustion. It also give me anxiety and depression.

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146 · April 18, 2012 at 11:11 AM

Sugar is not the problem. It may actually help. It's helped me out a lot. Please, google Ray Peat and Danny Roddy.

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334 · April 18, 2012 at 9:44 AM

I notice that your original question was posted 12 days ago. Perhaps you need to give the changes more time.

I'm far from an expert, but a couple of observations from me:

  1. Are you actually getting enough sleep? I know that when I was a teenager I could easily sleep 12 hours a day.
  2. I know you say you've given it up, but 200g of even 70% chocolate is a heck of a lot of sugar. If you've given up the chocolate but aren't feeling any better yet, could be a candida infection perhaps which needs a lot of time to fix.
  3. If you're not sprinting, are you exercising at all? I do some running (not enough to be chronic cardio but probably more than recommended) and it makes all the difference to my energy levels.
  4. How about increasing carbs by eating more veggies rather than potatoes/rice etc?

...but perhaps you should look to find a doctor who specialises in functional medicine if you really believe there is something not right.

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110 · April 19, 2012 at 3:43 AM

in schooltime i sleep about 9 hours. in the weekends or holidays i sleep 11-12 hours. i cant really tell the difference either way but i think im getting enough sleep. in schooltime i bike 2km approx to school and back but im too lazy to do anything now. but i still do some pullups.

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25 · May 02, 2012 at 11:00 PM

I'm have a much different profile than you, 47M, Paleo 14 months, but I just went through a bout of exhaustion and foggy-brain for about a month or so. I started tracking everything on FitDay and figured out that I just wasn't eating enough. I was about 200 to 500 Cal short every day for 14 months and my body finally said "enough!".

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3690 · April 19, 2012 at 5:27 AM

Are you eating enough? Unless I missed it, there's no mention of calorie intake. If you're growing centimeters in WEEKS...you gotta eat, eat, eat.

Perhaps all the food you're eating is going towards growing. I'm not sure what the most updated research says about nutrient partitioning is, but growing kids like yourself...you really gotta up those calories.

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15400 · April 18, 2012 at 5:59 PM

Samuel, you are not eating right.

WHAT TO EAT:

  1. meats, fish, poultry, preferably grass-fed

  2. vegetables - kale, collards, cabbage family, broccoli, onions, garlic, carrot, beets - are you eating them on a daily basis? you MUST.

  3. fruit/berries

WHAT NOT TO EAT: ANYTHING ELSE Try it for one month. It should help

Corn and potatoes are not vegetables. I believe you might be gluten intolerant. I did not have any other symptoms other than fatigue.

Also, just to make sure - how fast are you growing? Are you still growing or are you in the middle of a growth spur?

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110 · April 19, 2012 at 3:50 AM

im 172 cm and i think im the middle or a growth spurt. im not growing too fast though, cause theres only about a few cm difference from a few months ago.

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15400 · April 19, 2012 at 4:48 AM

A few cm difference from a few months ago??? That is fast! My friends' son went through this. Basically, it is a growth spur and all your systems are trying to adjust - like your blood vessels, your skeletal, etc. It is very important to eat right during this time. Yes, you will outgrow it. As soon as your growth stops, you will feel better. BUT: AVOID GLUTEN and stick to 100% Paleo all the time. I know you might be gluten intolerant. Being Paleo won't hurt you. Eating gluten might.

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1515 · April 18, 2012 at 2:21 PM

I remember mentioning before that you probably got dysbiosis, and if so, carbs/starch are the last thing you should be eating. I really don't think this has anything to do with your age. Recommending carbs just because you're a teen is a really bad argument. I recommend a high fat "GAPS intro"-style diet, at least to see if it helps. Keep in mind it takes 2+ weeks to get keto adapted.

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1794 · April 18, 2012 at 12:06 PM

I have a reaction to tannins in Dark Chocolate, so that could be it.

Do you have any allergies?

How is your digestion?

You could try this:

http://www.charlespoliquin.com/ArticlesMultimedia/Articles/Article/27/Maximize_Your_Progress_with_Hydrochloric_Acid.aspx

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110 · April 19, 2012 at 3:47 AM

that is very interesting. I would have to give it a go because after reading into it, i have a strong feeling that this is really likely to be the cause.

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1794 · April 19, 2012 at 1:04 PM

Yeah, I thought it was interesting. Give it a shot for sure!

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4002 · April 18, 2012 at 9:29 AM

Have you had a stool test to check for any infections? The bloating/gas your experience may be pointing towards SIBO (small intestinal bacterial overgrowth)? Do you always experience these symptoms when eating starches/sugars?

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4002 · April 19, 2012 at 5:06 AM

Keep a food journal too see if you notice a link between certain types of carbs and your GI symptoms... Many health problems start in the gut! SIBO and leaky gut are often associated and some of the symptoms you describe could be the result of these conditions!

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110 · April 19, 2012 at 3:51 AM

i havent. i dont always experience them, and i dont really keep track of what i eat but im pretty sure its not all the time.

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