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Hack My Joints. Fasting?

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Updated December 17, 2014 at 4:06 AM
Created February 28, 2013 at 3:31 PM

Hello, paleo-folks!

I've been pretty strict with paleo for the last year, and dabbled with it for 1-2 years prior. Before high school, I was an inactive, obese kid who's only pleasure in life was to eat junk food and play videogames. When high school came around, I became very active and got down to a healthy weight. Since 2009, I've experienced numerous movement-related injuries. Many of them have yet to heal completely. Currently, I'm dealing with arthritis in the thumbs, ligament-laxity in both wrists, snapping triceps syndrome, bilateral shoulder impingements, lower back pain, and plantar fasciitis. In HS, I thought I was "invincible" when it came to weight lifting and sports, and I never had access to a competent coach or trainer, so everything I did was done with horrible form, leading to all these injuries. Formerly supple and fluid, all my joints are weak, painful, and crack-y!

What gives? They are taking years to heal, and the injuries keep coming!

I've seen three orthopedic doctors, one PM&R doctor, one osteopathic sports medicine/internal medicine doctor, one medical genetics doctor, and a physical therapist. All the orthos suggested "rest and take NSAIDs and ice" as if I haven't been made sedentary already from my injuries. It's been suggested I have Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome, but the genetics doctor said I don't have the normal signs for it, such as super stretchy skin all over or hyper-flexibility. The only doc that helped was the PM&R doc, who gave me prolotherapy. Unfortunately, it was only partially helpful, and it got too expensive to continue.

I've taken glucosamine, chondroiton, and MSM foor years to no avail. I currently take a low-dose multi, vitamin c, vitamin d, zinc in the AM, magnesium in the PM, fish oil, gelatin, and I get my sulfur from raw garlic. I eat lots of veggies, meats, eggs and egg yolks, berries, butter, coconut oil, and the occasional handful of almonds. I occasionally have cheese, and never have grains. However, I barely eat organic due to costs, although I plan on changing this.

I walk a mile, 5 days a week. I also do core-related work, using proprioceptive drills, strength, and endurance. (Think Stuart McGill's work: planks, bird-dogs, learning how to lock the spine during different movements, doing bodyweight good-mornings/hip-hinges an squats, one-legged balance, etc.) I've tried to re-introduce barefoot-style running, but a gentle quarter-mile left my knees sore for a week.

From my understanding, hGH helps develop collagen in the body, such as in the joints and skin. I've been looking for ways to maximize my exogenous hGH, and recently I've participated in fasting. I used to do 1 to 2 days of 2-hours fasts, but now am trying out 24/24 fasting-feeding days, fasting 3 days a week and feeding 4 days a week.

Does anyone think this can potentially save my joints? Anyone have any other input? Someone hack my joints, please! It's gotten to the point where I'm considering using research peptides to maximize my body's natural hGH.

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743 · March 12, 2013 at 9:47 PM

Hey, guys. update. Just found a study that shows fasting reduces blood-markers for collagen-synthesis. The fasted rats had about a 50% lower blood-marker than the fed rats. http://www.jbc.org/content/260/7/3955.long So, intermittent fasting for healing joints is contradictory.

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743 · March 03, 2013 at 11:31 PM

How would I go about checking my acidity/alkalinity? And I think my O3/O6 should be fine. I avoid PUFAs and take fish oil.

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743 · February 28, 2013 at 9:03 PM

I have to comment too. Eating 6 times a day is a myth. Fasting has many studies behind it. My diet is dialed down, but thank you for that portion though. I could use my fish in my diet. IDK what the purpose of upping my carb-intake with rice and low-gluten durum wheat would be. And vitamin D, I take plenty and get outside daily.

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548 · February 28, 2013 at 6:38 PM

"There's nothing positive about fasting, it's just a myth." Excuse me? A live extension of 40% by IGF-1-free rats in comparison to normal rats is nothing? That is so unbelievably much that it's the greatest life extention in any mammals with any methods.

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202 · February 28, 2013 at 6:19 PM

Don't fast, that's not gonna help anything. There's nothing positive about fasting, it's just a myth.

Without being any expert on joint disorders, I would say go for a really clean antiinflammatory diet. get your vit D level checked. avoid panfried and fried foods. eat stuff like white rice, boiled tubers, for carbohydrates, goat milk (has all nutrients you need, especially lots of calcium for bones), goat cheese (good protein), raw salmon (omega 3), raw coldpressed coconut oil, butter and olive oil (undamaged essential fatty acids), white fish (good protein), fresh orange juice, ripe fruits (sugar,vit c) sushi (omega3). as far as wheat goes maybe stick to low-gluten durum wheat like pasta and cous-cous

Avoid stuff like fried foods (damaged fats), cow milk (caseomorphine), fried eggs (oxidized cholesterol), aspartam, monosodiumglutamate (yeastextract/hydrolyzed protein) which are neurotoxins, beans, nuts, lentils (too much fiber and antinutrients), modern wheat bread (too much gluten), whole grains (too much fiber which is undigestable by humans and is inflammatory, plus it has antinutrients), the same goes for vegetables, too much fiber and undigestable by humans. therefore stick to ripe fruits, remember stuff like tomatoes and bell peppers are also fruits, all seed-bearing.

Of course other than that, maybe supplement vit D if you need, I would focus on nutrition instead of supplements. Of course getting good sleep is vital, as is overall low-stress lifestyle, moderate exercise like walking should be prefered, naturally as follows no drugs or alcohol, I would also avoid caffeine. Don't drink a lot of water, drink orange juice and goat milk instead, which are a lot more nutritious than plain water

Just my 2 cents

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743 · February 28, 2013 at 9:03 PM

I have to comment too. Eating 6 times a day is a myth. Fasting has many studies behind it. My diet is dialed down, but thank you for that portion though. I could use my fish in my diet. IDK what the purpose of upping my carb-intake with rice and low-gluten durum wheat would be. And vitamin D, I take plenty and get outside daily.

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548 · February 28, 2013 at 6:38 PM

"There's nothing positive about fasting, it's just a myth." Excuse me? A live extension of 40% by IGF-1-free rats in comparison to normal rats is nothing? That is so unbelievably much that it's the greatest life extention in any mammals with any methods.

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30 · March 03, 2013 at 11:19 PM

Have you checked into acid/alkaline balance? In addition, Omega 3/6 out of balance?

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743 · March 03, 2013 at 11:31 PM

How would I go about checking my acidity/alkalinity? And I think my O3/O6 should be fine. I avoid PUFAs and take fish oil.

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