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Have you tried Kefir?

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Created March 29, 2012 at 6:32 PM

Hi all, after reading Chris Kessner's post on Kefir, I thought I would try the Organic Lactose Free kind I found at Whole Foods. I was wondering what kind of experiences you have had with it. It's only been two days but my stomach has been grumbling and making noises from it and not sure if that is a good sign, or bad. Any thoughts? Also, has anyone had bloating? Thanks so much! BTW, I am strict paleo and have been for 3 years, but thought trying the lactose free, with all the talk of the health benefits associated with it, was worth a shot. Thanks!

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8100 · November 20, 2013 at 4:50 PM

You don't need to spend $23 for kefir grains and instructions. Kefir grains are easily obtainable for free from friends (my grains double weekly, and I end up composting the excess because I ran out of "friends"). Alternately, look on Craigslist or eBay.

There are plenty of instructions on the Internet. It's not rocket science. Strain the kefir, feed the grains fresh milk, keep the jar clean. It doesn't cost more than the price of your milk, and a little of your time each day.

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0 · November 19, 2013 at 2:58 AM

Have you tried the water kefir as some folks have commented on? Also, I'm intrigued by the idea of starting super slow--just 1 T per day--or using different milks such as goat or coconut.

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0 · November 19, 2013 at 2:48 AM

Have you tried taking super small amounts for a week and then slowly adding more?

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0 · November 19, 2013 at 2:47 AM

Nance, Is there any reason you've stuck with the water kefir and not the dairy? You're ability to now eat wheat sounds quite promising to me.

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0 · November 19, 2013 at 2:46 AM

From Nance's post it sounds like after using the water kefir she's now able to tolerate some dairy. Have you re-tried dairy?

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0 · November 19, 2013 at 2:44 AM

Thanks so much for this! I've been bloating and was going to quit. After reading this I may just go ahead, buy some grains and start really, really slow. Have you attempted any grains? I realize that's not paleo, but I can't digest wheat and one day want to return to making sourdough and being able to enjoy it in moderation. Hoping Kefir will help.

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4873 · January 21, 2013 at 3:47 PM

Two thumbs up on the water kefir! It is cheap, easy, and with a little fresh ginger, or unsulfered dried fruit ...sooo delicious.

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1363 · January 21, 2013 at 1:26 PM

I didn't even know you could do water Kefir, I've been waiting till I get ahold of some goats milk. Thanks for posting this.

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6229 · April 01, 2012 at 2:06 AM

go easy - kefir has the highest # and quantity of species of probiotics. Start with a few teaspoons and maybe build up to a half a cup.

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65 · March 30, 2012 at 5:38 PM

What should I make, water or dairy kefir? Are there any differences in terms of health benefits? I tolerate dairy just fine..

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5043 · March 30, 2012 at 5:42 AM

I agree, there's really not much that you can do to screw it up and homemade has more beneficial bacteria than store-bought if I understand correctly.

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5043 · March 30, 2012 at 5:15 AM

They do last forever as long as you treat them right. Just be careful with water kefir if you use sealed bottles or you could have an geyser in your kitchen. It's entertaining, but messy.

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65 · March 30, 2012 at 4:19 AM

and.....dumb question, but do the grains "last" forever?

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2504 · March 30, 2012 at 2:31 AM

Thanks for the tip, Nance, will follow the rules. Landria-some great places to try are: Marlowe SF, Cotogna, Limon (or limon rotisserie), Bar Crudo. Happy eats.

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37187 · March 30, 2012 at 2:09 AM

! CAUTION ! If you use less sugar or use juice in the liquid the grains are in you can damage or kill your grains. The sugar is for them, not you! Have someone who eats SAD taste it and they won't think it's sweet--a friend of mine made a terrible face. Use 1 tbsp sugar per cup of water; don't put grains in partial/full juice unless they are spare ones you don't mind losing. After you strain kefir and put your grains in fresh sugar water you can mix the **kefir only** with juice and brew at room temp for 24 hours. If sealed it will produce carbonation. Burp the bottle every 12 hrs.

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1528 · March 30, 2012 at 1:48 AM

Goat kefir is the best! I drink 1/4 c. every day for the probiotics.

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4347 · March 30, 2012 at 1:39 AM

@Paleo Rick- I find kefir is one of the easiest things to culture. If you have good kefir grains, all you do is stir them into milk, cover with cheesecloth and a rubber band, and let it sit for 24 hours or so (or up to 48). I make kefir for my kids and hubby, and water kefir for myself, and it's always turned out perfectly. (For reference, kefir costs, with store-bought organic milk, about $1.50/qt here.)

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4347 · March 30, 2012 at 1:34 AM

You can get them here: http://www.culturesforhealth.com/ I bought my starter grains from our local health food store, but they're from that company. I can't do dairy kefir, so this works nicely. (and it's EASY)

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37187 · March 30, 2012 at 1:04 AM

@rodger, I purchased organic live grains (not dehydrated, though I guess they can work fine too) via amazon.

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70 · March 30, 2012 at 1:00 AM

Hmm, good to know. I saw some that were not lactose free but since I do slim to none, I was nervous to try it. I bet the raw is different though. Wish I could find some here in Atlanta!

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70 · March 30, 2012 at 12:59 AM

Awesome, will take it slower for sure! Thanks!

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70 · March 30, 2012 at 12:59 AM

Will look into the water kefir. This kefir stuff is all so new to me; I have a lot to learn! Thanks!!

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70 · March 30, 2012 at 12:58 AM

Hmm, good to know to take it slow. I've been drinking probably waaay too much. I like it, but never thought about the adjustment part and I have felt a little bloated. Thanks for the feedback everyone. It's very helpful! landria

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70 · March 30, 2012 at 12:56 AM

HA, Thanks so much for the sweet offer. I don't live in SF (I use to years ago!) but we are actually heading there with the family on Sat. Sorry to go off the subject here but would love to hear if you have any SF paleo friendly restaurants you could recommend. Thanks so much! landria

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65 · March 29, 2012 at 11:46 PM

Do you know where to buy kefir grains?

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2504 · March 29, 2012 at 9:58 PM

Thanks for the tip, Nance. They taste so sweet to me, so I'm going to experiment with possibly using less sugar, and more natural flavors (like fresh pressed juice) to see if they taste better. Also experimenting with different second fermentation additions to see if that helps. Thanks for the tip!

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287 · March 29, 2012 at 9:51 PM

Ooops... should be jack kruse (dot) com blog; the-leaky-gut-prescription

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287 · March 29, 2012 at 9:47 PM

I also tried it for the fermented benefits and got the same result you did - grumbling, gurling noises and some stomach discomfort. Since I'm trying to heal a leaky gut I posted a question on Jack Krause's blog about my experience with Kefir and he seems to be counter what I read.. so now I'm confused. I might try what some suggest here - starting just a few tablespoons and see if I can handle it in doses.

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37187 · March 29, 2012 at 9:34 PM

@HA, just drink a tbsp per day at first. Your gut will reprogram your brain (I think that's what happens) and oila! It will start tasting great to you. I drink some fresh, unsweetened and also drink fizzy juice-flavored sodas. They both taste good to me.

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457 · March 29, 2012 at 8:29 PM

Hey! I live in Santa Clara and have been looking everywhere for extra kefir grains would you have any left to share? Please E-mail me at Jennifer noble 09 at gmail dot com. Please please please lol.

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565 · March 29, 2012 at 7:11 PM

I tried kefir for about 2 weeks. I was bloated like crazy. I never have heart burn, but I did while ingesting kefir. I gave it 2 weeks to see if my gut was adjusting the cultures, etc. But, it never got any better. No more kefir for me.

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37187 · March 29, 2012 at 6:59 PM

I haven't tried dairy kefir, but I've been making/drinking water kefir for over 6 months and it changed my life. Literally.

I always thought I was lactose intolerant, but now I safely enjoy home-made yogurt plus butter and heavy cream. My problems with wheat, which were terrible even after 5 grain-free months, became non-symptomatic with water kefir unless I have repeated exposures and even then only mild GERD vs. systemic responses.

When mixed with juice and sealed/brewed again it makes a fizzy home-made soda. I don't know where to find retail water kefir, but organic kombucha might be an available item.

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65 · March 29, 2012 at 11:46 PM

Do you know where to buy kefir grains?

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70 · March 30, 2012 at 12:59 AM

Will look into the water kefir. This kefir stuff is all so new to me; I have a lot to learn! Thanks!!

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4347 · March 30, 2012 at 1:34 AM

You can get them here: http://www.culturesforhealth.com/ I bought my starter grains from our local health food store, but they're from that company. I can't do dairy kefir, so this works nicely. (and it's EASY)

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65 · March 30, 2012 at 4:19 AM

and.....dumb question, but do the grains "last" forever?

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5043 · March 30, 2012 at 5:15 AM

They do last forever as long as you treat them right. Just be careful with water kefir if you use sealed bottles or you could have an geyser in your kitchen. It's entertaining, but messy.

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37187 · March 30, 2012 at 1:04 AM

@rodger, I purchased organic live grains (not dehydrated, though I guess they can work fine too) via amazon.

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65 · March 30, 2012 at 5:38 PM

What should I make, water or dairy kefir? Are there any differences in terms of health benefits? I tolerate dairy just fine..

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1363 · January 21, 2013 at 1:26 PM

I didn't even know you could do water Kefir, I've been waiting till I get ahold of some goats milk. Thanks for posting this.

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4873 · January 21, 2013 at 3:47 PM

Two thumbs up on the water kefir! It is cheap, easy, and with a little fresh ginger, or unsulfered dried fruit ...sooo delicious.

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0 · November 19, 2013 at 2:47 AM

Nance, Is there any reason you've stuck with the water kefir and not the dairy? You're ability to now eat wheat sounds quite promising to me.

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2544 · March 30, 2012 at 2:40 AM

I love kefir and I noticed tons of benefits when I consumed it... unfortunately it gave me some nasty sebhorreic dermatitis. Everytime I go back to it, it happens again. Could be a yeast sensitivity in me or I have a fungal infection still. I wish I could drink it still!

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0 · November 19, 2013 at 2:48 AM

Have you tried taking super small amounts for a week and then slowly adding more?

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32518 · March 29, 2012 at 7:45 PM

I make my own from raw goats milk. Yum!

I am lactose-intolerant, but have no issues with the kefir.

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70 · March 30, 2012 at 1:00 AM

Hmm, good to know. I saw some that were not lactose free but since I do slim to none, I was nervous to try it. I bet the raw is different though. Wish I could find some here in Atlanta!

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1528 · March 30, 2012 at 1:48 AM

Goat kefir is the best! I drink 1/4 c. every day for the probiotics.

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3280 · March 29, 2012 at 7:36 PM

I do dairy kefir and love it...now. Go slowly, starting with about a tablespoon per day. I went too fast at first, and got stomach upset and bloating from it. But once I slowed down and let my body adjust, things went much better. No problems now. It helps me digest milk, which I was intolerant to my whole life. It has a host of immune system benefits, too, so I highly recommend it.

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70 · March 30, 2012 at 12:59 AM

Awesome, will take it slower for sure! Thanks!

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0 · November 19, 2013 at 2:44 AM

Thanks so much for this! I've been bloating and was going to quit. After reading this I may just go ahead, buy some grains and start really, really slow. Have you attempted any grains? I realize that's not paleo, but I can't digest wheat and one day want to return to making sourdough and being able to enjoy it in moderation. Hoping Kefir will help.

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273 · November 19, 2013 at 10:19 PM

I also really enjoy dairy kefir and haven't noticed any issues with it. It's a great source pf probiotics, much more than yogurt, and there is likely very little lactose left in a good quality product, due to the fermentation process. I wish I could find raw milk kefir in Canada, but raw milk is illegal here :-(

I also enjoy water kefir (reminds me a bit of kombucha), another great probiotic source.

I actually wrote a bit about the difference between yogurt and kefir.

http://www.thebarefootgolfer.com/2013/07/15/kefir-versus-yogurt-what-is-the-difference/

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1005 · January 22, 2013 at 4:45 AM

I love the taste of kefir, but unfortunately I have issues with cow's dairy :(

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0 · November 19, 2013 at 2:58 AM

Have you tried the water kefir as some folks have commented on? Also, I'm intrigued by the idea of starting super slow--just 1 T per day--or using different milks such as goat or coconut.

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619 · January 21, 2013 at 10:14 PM

I consume at least a cup of raw-milk kefir each day with some of the kefir grains blended in. I like to add some coconut oil and protein powder when I drink it after workouts, or carb it up with berries and let it ferment.

There is very little similarity between store-bought and home-made. Especially if you're visiting a farm for your milk each week or so, the home-made variety is going to pack all sorts of punch you can't find on a store-shelf. It costs me $6.50 per gallon of milk and 15 minutes in the kitchen every other day.

I never experience bloating, but if I don't restrain myself and drink more than a couple cups, I'll be pooping rabbit pellets for a couple days.

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2417 · March 30, 2012 at 2:50 AM

I feel like my kefir making period was better for my tummy than my yogurt making period. For what that is worth. I did kefir at home for over a year before my cheap good dairy source dried up. It's so, so very easy to make. I wouldn't buy it.

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11682 · March 30, 2012 at 2:03 AM

I added kefir a few weeks ago, and I love it. Before that I was doing probiotic goat yogurt, but I now prefer kefir most of the times. I was reading about kefir on PubMed, and it has many abilities, even wound healing properties. One interesting tidbit is that with yogurt you mostly eat acilobacilus bacteria, but with kefir, the acilobacilus bacteria mostly colonize the kefir grains, while the streptococus ones gets diluted in the milk, so that's what you mostly get when you drink kefir. So it's best to have both yogurt and kefir IMHO.

I know that there are some that are against dairy, but I had no problem with reduced lactose (longer fermentation) dairy from goat or sheep. I avoid cow dairy except for butter and cream.

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0 · March 30, 2012 at 12:28 AM

I recently read Chris Kressors report on the importance of adding Kefir to my diet. We added it simply by purchasing from local SuperMarket. Having no experience or knowledge as to what Kefir was, I read all the instructions carefully, and I understood 1 Tbsp per day, no mention of increasing from that over time. Also it has a warning that when you remove the lid the wrapping should be bulging up. The first container we used was find. The second purchase we noticed the seal was not bulging and simply returned and got a replacement. Now I will check seal before leaving store. Less than $5 per container, I would not risk trying to make my own and consuming something I made wrong.

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4347 · March 30, 2012 at 1:39 AM

@Paleo Rick- I find kefir is one of the easiest things to culture. If you have good kefir grains, all you do is stir them into milk, cover with cheesecloth and a rubber band, and let it sit for 24 hours or so (or up to 48). I make kefir for my kids and hubby, and water kefir for myself, and it's always turned out perfectly. (For reference, kefir costs, with store-bought organic milk, about $1.50/qt here.)

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5043 · March 30, 2012 at 5:42 AM

I agree, there's really not much that you can do to screw it up and homemade has more beneficial bacteria than store-bought if I understand correctly.

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2504 · March 29, 2012 at 7:46 PM

I make my own dairy kefir, and in spite of my dairy problems, have no trouble digesting it. That said, when I first got it, I drank a whole glass of it, and had some (ahem) gastric distress. But now, I drink it gladly. If you live in the SF bay area, I'd gladly give you a little bit of kefir grains so you could start your own kefir making.

I just got my water kefir grains, and haven't made anything too tasty just yet, but I'm hopeful...

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37187 · March 30, 2012 at 2:09 AM

! CAUTION ! If you use less sugar or use juice in the liquid the grains are in you can damage or kill your grains. The sugar is for them, not you! Have someone who eats SAD taste it and they won't think it's sweet--a friend of mine made a terrible face. Use 1 tbsp sugar per cup of water; don't put grains in partial/full juice unless they are spare ones you don't mind losing. After you strain kefir and put your grains in fresh sugar water you can mix the **kefir only** with juice and brew at room temp for 24 hours. If sealed it will produce carbonation. Burp the bottle every 12 hrs.

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457 · March 29, 2012 at 8:29 PM

Hey! I live in Santa Clara and have been looking everywhere for extra kefir grains would you have any left to share? Please E-mail me at Jennifer noble 09 at gmail dot com. Please please please lol.

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2504 · March 29, 2012 at 9:58 PM

Thanks for the tip, Nance. They taste so sweet to me, so I'm going to experiment with possibly using less sugar, and more natural flavors (like fresh pressed juice) to see if they taste better. Also experimenting with different second fermentation additions to see if that helps. Thanks for the tip!

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2504 · March 30, 2012 at 2:31 AM

Thanks for the tip, Nance, will follow the rules. Landria-some great places to try are: Marlowe SF, Cotogna, Limon (or limon rotisserie), Bar Crudo. Happy eats.

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37187 · March 29, 2012 at 9:34 PM

@HA, just drink a tbsp per day at first. Your gut will reprogram your brain (I think that's what happens) and oila! It will start tasting great to you. I drink some fresh, unsweetened and also drink fizzy juice-flavored sodas. They both taste good to me.

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70 · March 30, 2012 at 12:56 AM

HA, Thanks so much for the sweet offer. I don't live in SF (I use to years ago!) but we are actually heading there with the family on Sat. Sorry to go off the subject here but would love to hear if you have any SF paleo friendly restaurants you could recommend. Thanks so much! landria

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8100 · November 20, 2013 at 4:50 PM

You don't need to spend $23 for kefir grains and instructions. Kefir grains are easily obtainable for free from friends (my grains double weekly, and I end up composting the excess because I ran out of "friends"). Alternately, look on Craigslist or eBay.

There are plenty of instructions on the Internet. It's not rocket science. Strain the kefir, feed the grains fresh milk, keep the jar clean. It doesn't cost more than the price of your milk, and a little of your time each day.

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