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Hack my cyclic ketogenic diet

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Created December 08, 2012 at 12:23 PM

So I have been very pretty good in ketosis lately doing about 25 g/day carbs. However I am worried about the potential dangers of being in ketosis constantly, so I have decided on periodic carb re-feeds. I currently eat broccoli and cauliflower on my low carb days, and was considering adding half a sweet potato one day per week to throw me out of ketosis for a bit.

Is this a good idea? Is once per week enough or should I be eating more carbs? Any other thoughts on ketogenic diets, will it lead to longevity or is it just a means to lose weight and get leaner?

By the way, the rest of my calories come from fatty meat (beef/lamb) plus coconut oil and ghee.

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11478 · January 08, 2013 at 8:55 AM

There are no extra dangers if you are diabetic. Ketosis is one of the most successful methods for managing T1 and T2.

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4883 · January 08, 2013 at 3:36 AM

Remaining in high ketosis for extended periods of time is useful for losing weight, for treating certain diseases, and for lowering blood sugar. But for healthy people, what's the point? You're right that ketogenic diets cause health risks. The most carefully studied risk is kidney stones. The risk that I worry about most is bone demineralization. (The reason I worry is that I'm on a permanent ketogenic diet to treat a disease.) Here's a bibliography on my site of scientific papers about risks: http://ketocure.com/scientific-publications-about-risks-and-prevention/

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4883 · January 08, 2013 at 3:28 AM

Remaining in elevated ketosis for extended periods of time is useful for losing weight, because it suppresses appetite, and for treating certain diseases, and for lowering high blood sugar. But for healthy people, I don't think it's a good idea. You are correct that ketogenic diets cause health risks. The people who tell you otherwise on this page are wrong. Here's a bibliography on my website of some scientific papers that discuss the risks. http://ketocure.com/scientific-publications-about-risks-and-prevention/

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4883 · January 08, 2013 at 3:25 AM

I don't think remaining in elevated ketosis for extended periods of time is beneficial for healthy people. Extended high ketosis is useful for losing weight, because it suppresses appetite, and for treating certain diseases, but i you aren't in one of those categories, I don't see any point in staying in elevated ketosis. You are correct that ketogenic diets cause health risks. The people who tell you otherwise on this page are wrong. Here's a bibliography on my website of some scientific papers that discuss the risks. http://ketocure.com/scientific-publications-about-risks-and-prevention/

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15226 · December 08, 2012 at 3:14 PM

are you trying to lose weight?

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30 · December 10, 2012 at 9:29 PM

As far as dangers, you are probably confusing dietary ketosis with the extremely dangerous condition of ketoacidosis. Check out this article for a summary of the differences: http://ketodietplans.com/faq/ketosis-vs-ketoacidosis/ There are no dangers associated with being in a state of dietary ketosis. Just make sure you are drinking lots of water as dehydration can occur more easily. As far as carbing up, if you're overall goal is merely weight loss, it isn't really necessary. However, if you are trying to improve your overall physique while losing body fat, I highly suggest you use a weight lifting routine coupled with a cyclical ketogenic diet (this includes about a day and a half of high carb each week). This is by far the most effective way to lose body fat while improving physique and maintaining muscle mass.

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8270 · December 08, 2012 at 6:43 PM

What dangers are you worried about? Are you diabetic? If not, there's no "dangers". Plenty of people live in ketosis for extended periods of time with no problems healthwise. However, it can affect athletic recovery (thus the cyclic ketogenic diets). Longevitywise, it's good to reduce creation of AGE's (advanced glycation end products) in the body by reducing the amount of sugars you consume. Note, not the sole solution, but one of them since you can consume AGE's as well as create them in the body.

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11478 · January 08, 2013 at 8:55 AM

There are no extra dangers if you are diabetic. Ketosis is one of the most successful methods for managing T1 and T2.

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694 · December 25, 2012 at 1:44 AM

You should check out the book, "The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Performance" by Volek and Phinney. They provide great explanations to the benefits of being in nutritional ketosis, and the fact that there are no studies out there showing any long term detriments.

If you're really curious about how ketotic you are, you can try using ketone strips that measure your blood levels. It's a good way to tell if you are in the nutritional ketotic range 0.5-3 mmol. Any higher would yield diminishing returns, with toxic levels being greater than 10 mmol.

I'm currently doing my own experiment with a ketogenic diet and have been measuring my blood ketone levels and blood sugars in the AM and PM.

If you're curious you can check it out at at bjjcaveman.com

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2668 · December 10, 2012 at 10:08 PM

experiments are a good thing. a half a sweet potato might not even throw you out of ketosis, though. if you actually want to fill up glycogen stores, you'll need a lot more than that.

i don't think ketogenic diets lead to longevity (disclaimer: i have no interest in extreme longevity), and i don't think they necessarily lead to weight loss either. if they help you eat less and feel better, go for it. experiments are a good thing.

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