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Candida and ketosis

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So Paul Jaminet makes the claim in PHD that Candida Albicans, among other fungal infections, can actually feed on ketones as they are water soluble. This pretty much goes against the mainstream school of thought that blood glucose levels should be as low/stable as healthily possible and ketosis is certainly a rather efficient mechanism to stabilize and lower one's blood glucose. I personally find it hard to believe this given that people with diagnosed cases of Candida Albicans do so much better on diets that eliminate "safe starches", sugar, grains, etc.

Does anyone have any thoughts on this claim or could someone quote some research that either reinforces or contradicts PJ's assertion?

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14 · August 05, 2013 at 10:53 PM

Correction,it was Henry Lindlahr who said the above,but Dr Warburg is the one who proved in the 20's that Cancer and Yeast feed on sugar exclusively

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14 · August 05, 2013 at 3:08 AM

...And if you really have a yeast problem,and go Keto?then you will be dealing with those "Waste Products" gradualy arresting themselves,as well

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14 · August 05, 2013 at 2:48 AM

With the Evil,Nature Provides the Cure Furthermore, the growth and development of bacteria and parasites is inhibited and finally arrested by their own waste products. We have an example of this in the yeast germ, which thrives and multiplies in the presence of sugar in solution. Living on and digesting the sugar, it decomposes the sugar molecules into alcohol and carbonic acid. As the alcohol increases during the process of fermentation, it gradually arrests the development and activity of the yeast cells" [not if you keep feeding it!].

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14 · August 05, 2013 at 2:46 AM

PaleoGod a little correction it's continued sugar consumption that enables candida 2 pleomorph and entrench itself into its Mycelial fungal forms,not the opposite.Again,i am seeing the tissue war or toxins and die off coming out my rear.when i was eating carbs and sugar,i was passing nothing except yellow stool no Mucus or colony plaques-i am a soldier in the trenches with this FUC$@R,so i know of what i speak.But let's let Dr Warburg have the final say....

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14 · August 05, 2013 at 2:45 AM

PaleoGod a little correction it's continued sugar consumption that enables candida 2 pleomorph and entrench itself into its Mycelial fungal forms,not the opposite.Again,i am seeing the tissue war or toxins and die off coming out my rear.when i was eating carbs and sugar,i was passing nothing except yellow stool no Mucus or colony plaques>i am a soldier in the trecches with this FUC$@R,so i know of what i speak.But let's let Dr Warburg have the final say....

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24538 · August 03, 2013 at 9:24 AM

We have 2 primary metabolic pathways because they have worked as a survival strategy. It doesn't do any good to apply moral judgements as to whether one is better than the other, each has its strengths and weaknesses, either can keep you alive and in good health, and that is pretty much the end of the story.

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24538 · August 03, 2013 at 9:24 AM

We have 2 primary metabolic pathways because they work a survival strategy. It doesn't do any good to apply moral judgements as to whether one is better than the other, each has its strengths and weaknesses, either can keep you alive and in good health, and that is pretty much the end of the story.

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24538 · August 03, 2013 at 9:19 AM

As long as you are the owner of a liver and/or an alive human being, your blood will never be out of sugar. I don't follow the logic here. I can eat zero carbs for an extended period of time and still have a blood sugar of 95-100.

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14 · August 03, 2013 at 7:04 AM

some links 4 your happy evolution everyone,part of which is using your BS intuitive filters 2 imbue messeges not messengers(Gurus)anymore.Ask your body not your Doctor....your body is your doctor http://www.jasonlincolnjeffers.com/ketogenic-diet.html http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/foods35.php http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/intro1.php Peace...Out

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14 · August 03, 2013 at 6:54 AM

Ketone Bodies can not be used either by candida or cancer(both fungus/yeasts-Paul J is full of shit)and they are the Preferental(not alternative)Fule 4 the body.If the brain needed glucose as it's primary fule so badly then why is Dimenta/alzheimers epidemics(My Dad included i am seeing the ravages of Carb destruction going on in him)The problem is the storage hormone Insulin(the storage hormone) being used as the main metabolic driver when glucagon(The metabolic hormone)should be.But Glucagon is not utilized if you are a sugar burner.Solution?...become a fat burner!

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3631 · July 31, 2013 at 9:24 PM

@happynow ok, i didn't read it yet, but for the lazies, why isn't blood glucose a consideration, in the "second case" ?

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24538 · July 31, 2013 at 8:35 PM

"http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10981686 Virulent strains of Candida maymake and release pyruvate causing neighboring human cells to turn the excess pyruvate into ketones which benefit the Candida." from http://onibasu.com/archives/cl/45375.html

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24538 · July 31, 2013 at 8:22 PM

This is the most important conversation I've seen about this. Andrea it might help to copy in a quote or two. "First, you have to keep in mind that there are two environments we are concerned with: inside the gut with access to food but not blood, and inside the body with access to blood but not food. In the first case, they'll feed on dietary carbs/fiber. In the second case,on ketones. So coconut oil which is ketogenic promotes systemic candidiasis."

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30 · August 06, 2012 at 8:39 PM

I'm obviously a little late to this game, but I'm with Bill on this one - and my list of improved issues is even longer!

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5 · May 26, 2012 at 8:29 AM

Where did you find his protocol for eating if you have a fungal infection?

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1186 · May 18, 2012 at 6:12 PM

Which natural remedies?

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943 · December 12, 2011 at 5:22 PM

Alexandra: after doing some digging myself, I've discovered that Paul makes the assertion that immunity to fungal infections is highly dependent on the ability to produce reactive oxygen species (ROS) and that this ability is a function of glucose availability. You can read what he has to say here (http://perfecthealthdiet.com/?p=4878) but he doesn't provide any specific references to material that backs up this assertion.

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1880 · December 08, 2011 at 9:22 PM

I'd like to hear more about this too as I've always believed that candida feeds on sugars and yeasts. How could ketosis from low carb exacorbate this?

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943 · December 06, 2011 at 2:01 PM

No offense, but you sound like my GI doctor prior to doing a Metametrix stool test that showed a Candida Albicans overgrowth in my GI tract. I had used broad spectrum antibiotics under ill advice and was left with the overgrowth. Needless to say I was rather unhealthy prior to that, as well.

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2544 · December 06, 2011 at 4:36 AM

All I can say is thanks to Paul Jaminet, my fungal infection is gone or dormant. The addition of starch/glucose was such a huge health turnaround for me. Dandruff gone, dermatitis gone, IBS gone.

I only got dandruff when going VLC.

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30 · August 06, 2012 at 8:39 PM

I'm obviously a little late to this game, but I'm with Bill on this one - and my list of improved issues is even longer!

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5 · May 26, 2012 at 8:29 AM

Where did you find his protocol for eating if you have a fungal infection?

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11478 · October 08, 2012 at 10:49 PM

Before I was diagnosed with T2 diabetes, I suffered from recurring balanitis thrush. Being a dumb man, and not wanting to drop my underpants infront of my GP, I rotated pharmacists to make sure that I could get my hands on enough canestan to make my life tolerable.

Within days of hitting a ketogenic diet, my BG levels normalized, and the the thrush disappeared over night. The one time in the last 18 months that I fell off the wagon, I could feel it coming back.

So (in my case at least), thrush prefers glucose to ketones.

Uncontollable thrush is, in my opinion, is one of the tell tale signs of chronic hyperglycemia.

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20 · October 08, 2012 at 9:33 PM

Here's a reponse from Paul I found on this subject: http://onibasu.com/archives/cl/45375.html. He lists several studies to support his viewpoint.

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3631 · July 31, 2013 at 9:24 PM

@happynow ok, i didn't read it yet, but for the lazies, why isn't blood glucose a consideration, in the "second case" ?

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24538 · July 31, 2013 at 8:22 PM

This is the most important conversation I've seen about this. Andrea it might help to copy in a quote or two. "First, you have to keep in mind that there are two environments we are concerned with: inside the gut with access to food but not blood, and inside the body with access to blood but not food. In the first case, they'll feed on dietary carbs/fiber. In the second case,on ketones. So coconut oil which is ketogenic promotes systemic candidiasis."

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140 · December 07, 2011 at 4:00 AM

I concur with Bill. Doctors were no help. My problems were worsening on a zero carb diet. As I added in some carbs, along with some natural remedies, I got rid of it.

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1186 · May 18, 2012 at 6:12 PM

Which natural remedies?

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10 · July 31, 2013 at 6:37 PM

Thanks Craig! You couldn't have answered this in a better fashion. That is exactly what happens if you only eat protein and vegetables. Second your glucose will always be there one way or the other through glycogen synthesis.cortisol does produce hyperglycemia and induces more stress!

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10 · April 17, 2013 at 5:42 AM

I started feeling much better after I added carbs/simple sugars to my diet. I did the 0 carb and sugar for two months and lost 40 pounds. At least I know for sure now what foods I'm allergic to. I feel so much better after adding reasonable amounts of carb and fruit that even my thrush is dissapearing. I do know for a fact that the high protein diet makes your bowel overacidic. I also read scientific proven research that says that if you dont feed candida it worsens, as well as you will ALWAYS have glucose in your blood,(dont have the time to explain, just read) either through glycogen convertion or other wise the low glucose levels causes more cortisol to be produced which in turn can produce hyperglycemia. In other words unless you are diabetic your blood glucose level might go up some but is not the cause for candida to overgrow and it shouldnt be higher than 200. Small hint that might help...at least it did in my case...candida symptoms are confused with a hypothyroid condition that when is not corrected slowly diminishes the immune system and many times allow candida to overgrow....just saying..Boost your immune system with a healthy Balanced diet and you will beat candida..

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0 · October 03, 2014 at 4:04 PM

this shocked me bad, as i'm 3 weeks into a protein fat diet, ketogenic... and my candida has gone flippin' NUTS as if i'm living on licorice alsorts and juujuubees.... the possibility that candida lives off ketones made me feel hopeless at being able to regain my health

so i read the links by harriter88 and it made me feel better (except the reference to dianetics!?!) because it says it could be a HEALING reaction, that it's getting worse before it gets better

there is no alternative to cutting out carbs, to help heal yeast, and i was about to cry

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0 · May 21, 2014 at 10:49 AM

I agree with harriter88 100%. White rice converts directly into glucose in the bloodstream. I have clients who hear these things and they rationalize that they're going to attain ketosis despite an intake of bread, pasta, rice, and even drink alcohol, but that is simply impossible for the body to do. I know. I suffered from systemic candida for over twenty-five years. I don't anymore because of a grain-free ketogenic diet.

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0 · March 27, 2014 at 2:28 AM

@PatternMatching i had been strictly paleo for 3 years before i went on the ketogenic diet. i stayed on it for over 1 year. during that time i cooked daily with coconut oil. i went on the ketogenic diet because i was reading so much great things about it, mostly on sott.net, and i was also experiencing increased fatigue and overall malaise. i thought that this might have been because i was eating too many starch vegetables like winter squash, beets or carrots and so i started reducing them over time. at some point i was literally eating 100% organic grass-fed burger patties with slabs of organic butter on it for breakfast. and yet i was feeling worse and worse and i was GAINING weight, although i was literally eating 0 carbs. i started experiencing head pressure and stiff neck and fatigue was also increasing. and yet i had a hard time believing that it could be that i was on the wrong diet. only after reading about paul jaminet on marksdailyapple.com

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/candida/#axzz2x7qxv2sJ

where he suggests to actually ADD carbs did i give it a shot. i bought some sweet potatoes, cooked them and ate them. the change was dramatic: the fatigue improved and the head pressure and head pulling sensations literally stop instantly and over the next 3 to 4 days i lost all the extra 5 or 10 pounds which had accumulated on my waste while on the ketogenic diet.

but that was not the end of the story. i later discovered why i had candida in the first place: it was due to having had mercury tooth fillings for over 20 years. mercury is often responsible for a candida overgrowth. so right now my goal is to be able to eat ketogenically. i do believe it is the optimum diet. but before i can do that, i need to take care of the candida. and before i can do that i need to take care of the mercury. but until that happens, it looks very much like the "evil" carbs have actually a medicinal value for me. something i did not want to believe for the longest time.

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221 · August 04, 2013 at 9:32 PM

Ketosis was the best thing I did to deal with my yeast problems. Everytime I went into ketosis or fasted I had a massive detox reaction. I tend to agree with the above poster that candida can sometimes be an immune system weakness.

The problem is that you would be amazed to discover how many vitamins and nutrients and just pure resources are used by your body to control blood sugar. What does a healthy immune system need? B vitamins, vitamins A and D, zinc, magnesium, Chromium, other trace minerals, etc. Kiss them all goodbye as soon as you take a bite of some starch.

Not to mention everytime you eat a plant food, either the fiber or the polysaccharides or the various other toxins will increase intestinal permeability, and your body needs things like zinc and cholesterol - also used to control blood sugar - and other nutrients to repair it after every single meal. IF it doesn't have these things eventually you will develop leaky gut and autoimmune problems.

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91 · August 04, 2013 at 6:17 PM

The thing with candida is that when there is a steady supply of sugars in the body it uses these sugars to thrive and remains in a yeast form. However, when the body switches over to ketosis the candida may or may not be able to use the ketone bodies that is what I am still unsure of but I do know that once it cannot obtain its sugars anymore it changes from a harmless yeast into a deadly fungus that can invade organs and other parts of the body.

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0 · August 04, 2013 at 11:49 AM

This is simply not true. Candida yeast can only feed on sugar because it's anaerobic. Ketones are energy units found in fat which is aerobic. This is a biological fact. Water solubility has nothing to do with what candida yeast can or cannot feed on. Eliminating sugar from your diet and allowing your body to run on ketones rather than glucose is the ideal way to bring balance to your colon health, i.e. establish a healthy ratio of candida yeast to the over 500 other types of bacteria in the gut. It's all about BALANCE. --Jason Lincoln Jeffers, http://www.jljeffers.com/ketogenic-diet.html

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14 · August 03, 2013 at 6:45 AM

Candida Feeds on and thrives on Sugar PERIOD.When you go Keto or paleo Just watch all the waste Products and Morbid matter you will pass.10 years with this Hell i and others like and the Bee Wilder website are the experts the ones who are living with and gradualy healing from it not some dude telling you 2 eat white rice.We are meant 2 b fat burners and fat burning does not happen until all available sugar in the blood has been used PERIOD.

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24538 · August 03, 2013 at 9:24 AM

We have 2 primary metabolic pathways because they have worked as a survival strategy. It doesn't do any good to apply moral judgements as to whether one is better than the other, each has its strengths and weaknesses, either can keep you alive and in good health, and that is pretty much the end of the story.

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24538 · August 03, 2013 at 9:24 AM

We have 2 primary metabolic pathways because they work a survival strategy. It doesn't do any good to apply moral judgements as to whether one is better than the other, each has its strengths and weaknesses, either can keep you alive and in good health, and that is pretty much the end of the story.

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24538 · August 03, 2013 at 9:19 AM

As long as you are the owner of a liver and/or an alive human being, your blood will never be out of sugar. I don't follow the logic here. I can eat zero carbs for an extended period of time and still have a blood sugar of 95-100.

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14 · August 03, 2013 at 7:04 AM

some links 4 your happy evolution everyone,part of which is using your BS intuitive filters 2 imbue messeges not messengers(Gurus)anymore.Ask your body not your Doctor....your body is your doctor http://www.jasonlincolnjeffers.com/ketogenic-diet.html http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/foods35.php http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/intro1.php Peace...Out

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14 · August 03, 2013 at 6:54 AM

Ketone Bodies can not be used either by candida or cancer(both fungus/yeasts-Paul J is full of shit)and they are the Preferental(not alternative)Fule 4 the body.If the brain needed glucose as it's primary fule so badly then why is Dimenta/alzheimers epidemics(My Dad included i am seeing the ravages of Carb destruction going on in him)The problem is the storage hormone Insulin(the storage hormone) being used as the main metabolic driver when glucagon(The metabolic hormone)should be.But Glucagon is not utilized if you are a sugar burner.Solution?...become a fat burner!

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20 · December 28, 2011 at 6:36 PM

Ingest Food Grade Essential Clove Oil. The stuff works wonders with fungus and has been proven to kill Candida.

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14 · August 03, 2013 at 9:43 PM

Yes allow me 2 amend my previous statment regarding fat metabolism not kicking in till all avail sugar is used first.Of course i was speaking generally,Ketosis keeps us in a state where glucose is always present but it's no longer the Master,it's the servant:never spiking our sugar and insulin levels 2 dangerous degrees.Also more info is now supporting the idea that the keto diet produces a indigenous type of glucose within the body(gamma glucose)one that the body does not see as an invading enemy(Alpha Beta Glucose:can we say Frutose or Corn Syrup or White Rice 4 that matter) and one that does not block or interfere with the Fat Burning metabolic"pathway"becoming the"dominant"one(Ketosis)....but then i thought the subject here was the absurd assertion that ketone bodies feed Candida?Cause if you have a Yeast problem,the keto diet(70% fat 30 % protein,NO CARB i.e Fat burner)is the only way back home and 2 health.And if you are not dealing with and Passing waste matter-ie mucus-all colors sizes-bile sludge,stones-Green YELLOW Red again all colors-YELLOW,Thrush-White(Everywhere in mucosa)clay stools etc)and toxins out through your elimination(both kinds),as well as dealing with Acetaldehyde toxin head fog(indescribable)then you are not effectively dealing with your candida at all,or you don't have an overgrowth problem 2 begin with.Coffee enemas are also essential in getting all this morbid matter out of your Liver pancreas & body.There is so Much BS info/dis info(well Poisoning)"out there" about this disease and i am sure the medical estab will continue 2 ignore/deny it,while inventing new names,buzz words/phrases and syndromes 4 it(like the new one 4 alzheimers "chronic Brain Inflammation")Also the Ad infinitum cavalcade of "New "studies show/prove that..."(Mumbo Jumbo Tech talk BS science) 2 support their BS data(Lies)while leaving out the facts(Truth) that would trash their"Studies"It's a good thing that the Lipid Lies are finally being exposed and even entering the mainstream,The Bee Wilder site(If she's even a "real Person"?)resonates with the Highest % of truth.Harriter88 Candida DETOX EXPERT(NO PHD)..by the by Yeast/Candida is also the Root Cause of Chronic Prostatitus(and probably the Big PC as well)...but your urologist won't tell you that.

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/foods22.php

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/foods39.php

http://www.sott.net/article/250689-Food-for-thought-Eat-your-way-to-dementia-sugar-and-carbs-cause-Alzheimers-Disease

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14 · August 05, 2013 at 10:53 PM

Correction,it was Henry Lindlahr who said the above,but Dr Warburg is the one who proved in the 20's that Cancer and Yeast feed on sugar exclusively

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14 · August 05, 2013 at 3:08 AM

...And if you really have a yeast problem,and go Keto?then you will be dealing with those "Waste Products" gradualy arresting themselves,as well

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14 · August 05, 2013 at 2:48 AM

With the Evil,Nature Provides the Cure Furthermore, the growth and development of bacteria and parasites is inhibited and finally arrested by their own waste products. We have an example of this in the yeast germ, which thrives and multiplies in the presence of sugar in solution. Living on and digesting the sugar, it decomposes the sugar molecules into alcohol and carbonic acid. As the alcohol increases during the process of fermentation, it gradually arrests the development and activity of the yeast cells" [not if you keep feeding it!].

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14 · August 05, 2013 at 2:46 AM

PaleoGod a little correction it's continued sugar consumption that enables candida 2 pleomorph and entrench itself into its Mycelial fungal forms,not the opposite.Again,i am seeing the tissue war or toxins and die off coming out my rear.when i was eating carbs and sugar,i was passing nothing except yellow stool no Mucus or colony plaques-i am a soldier in the trenches with this FUC$@R,so i know of what i speak.But let's let Dr Warburg have the final say....

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14 · August 05, 2013 at 2:45 AM

PaleoGod a little correction it's continued sugar consumption that enables candida 2 pleomorph and entrench itself into its Mycelial fungal forms,not the opposite.Again,i am seeing the tissue war or toxins and die off coming out my rear.when i was eating carbs and sugar,i was passing nothing except yellow stool no Mucus or colony plaques>i am a soldier in the trecches with this FUC$@R,so i know of what i speak.But let's let Dr Warburg have the final say....

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6709 · December 06, 2011 at 4:38 AM

Candida Albicans relationship to humans is neutral and is present in aprox 80% of human GI tracts. It does not pose a problem unless your immune system is compromised. Its also possible for it to grow in your mouth or groin area but unlikely unless your immune system is compromised.

The problem is that a human should not be consuming large amounts of sugar. Large amounts of sugar can cause a fungal bloom and problems, as well as a whole host of other problems which we are quite familiar with.

Therefore, eat meat and veggies and you should be fine. Im sure its quite rare that a non immune compromised person on a proper diet (paleo) has a problem with Candida and if they do, its most likely not caused by their diet but some sort of problem.

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943 · December 06, 2011 at 2:01 PM

No offense, but you sound like my GI doctor prior to doing a Metametrix stool test that showed a Candida Albicans overgrowth in my GI tract. I had used broad spectrum antibiotics under ill advice and was left with the overgrowth. Needless to say I was rather unhealthy prior to that, as well.

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