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Is ketosis harming me?

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Created July 23, 2014 at 10:51 PM

Hello,

I ate a really bad diet the last days as I do often from time to time, so I decided to go into ketosis to a) lose all the water weight b) controll my appetite again c) lose some weight. I started yesterday with eggs and bacon and very little tomatoes and champignons, then for lunch ground beef and a little sprinkle of goats cheese. 1400-1500 kalories, 7g carbs. The following night (just some hours ago) I woke up with the worst feeling in my life - shaking, worst somach cramps and nauseau like from another planet. Really, I was absolutely sure I was going to die. Later I ate half a tablespoon of Manuka honey (the only thing sweet in the house) because I though my blood sugar was messing around. It's getting better now, but still shaking.

What is this? I'm not in ketosis after just one day, is this really the typical 'ketosis flu'? Do I have to worry about being diabeteic or so? Should I stop or just up my carbs a little? I know I can't go into ketosis with over like 20, 30 g carbs per day :/

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459 · July 30, 2014 at 4:59 AM

Well I'm also 150, but I'm a 5'10" male so I can see where you're coming from. What you should keep in mind though, is that if you want this thing to work out for you in the long run, you shouldn't be restricting too much in terms of calories because if you make yourself too hungry then you'll probably fail on this diet. The beauty of it is that if you do it correctly, you shouldn't have to worry about the number of calories. Too few calories will lead to weakness and fatigue. Aim for a slow and steady weight loss of 1-2 pounds per week.

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247 · July 29, 2014 at 9:28 PM

I never understood the concept of carb cycling..isn't it pretty much the same as when I'm in ketosis but do one day with alot of carb once a week or every 2 weeks and then go back?

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247 · July 29, 2014 at 9:27 PM

Thank you! :) Well I'm 5ft2" and about 150lb, 21 and female and I don't do much exersize - I red that 1500 should be enough..

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0 · July 29, 2014 at 8:54 PM

Being in a state of ketosis may cause a lack of energy.your body needs carbs to function properly.I would suggest carb cycling.Eat low carb for 4 to 7 days then reintroduce carbs (refeed) and continue like this

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459 · July 29, 2014 at 6:03 PM

Vomiting and dizziness? That's not normal in ketosis or in anything else. If you are dizzy and feel like vomiting, I think you might just be having some other problems. Make sure to drink sufficient fluids (preferably water) and get sufficient electrolytes from your food or drinks. You could buy lite salt which has 50% sodium chloride and 50% potassium chloride in just about any store, if your diet is low in potassium. You want to stay well-hydrated when in ketosis. I'm not saying that's why you feel dizzy but it is something to keep in mind. Sounds like you're really low on calories btw.

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247 · July 29, 2014 at 1:14 PM

Thanks! I eat more bacon and macadamias (1200-1700 kcal a day) and less ground beef and my protein stays lower this.

Yes I constantly feel like vomiting, very dizzy etc. Weird, I thought this was normal on ketosis :/

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459 · July 29, 2014 at 12:35 PM

Good job on upping the fat and lowering the protein. If you have nausea, are you certain it is caused by ketosis? I have never experienced that from ketosis, well at most I've had some fatigue when I'm not hungry and I forget to eat, but as soon as I eat something it goes away. If by nausea you mean you feel like vomiting, then I don't really know why you are feeling that way; I only feel like that when I eat way too much.

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459 · July 29, 2014 at 12:30 PM

It means you should NOT eat anywhere near this much. I was just stating the tolerable upper limit. Do not try to consume anywhere near the tolerable upper limit of anything, for your own good.

If you ate that much protein, you would likely get some serious kidney damage over time. Hence, why protein is not a good energy source since it can only provide a few of our calories before causing serious damage when consumed in excess.

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247 · July 29, 2014 at 8:44 AM

I tested today and I am finally in moderate-deep ketosis. I upped my fat and I'm trying to not go over 1-1,5g protein/kg (about 70-100g). It's been a week now, but still the nauseau kills me :/ Any idea?

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247 · July 25, 2014 at 3:59 PM

Thank you!! If the body can use 354g protein a day does it mean I could eat this much? No right? I eat about 150g or so

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0 · July 25, 2014 at 6:36 AM

When you eat bad foods, you body assumes for your next meal the insulin response it used for the last one. Is it possible that what you are experiencing is hypoglycemia because your body was expecting carbs?

Diabetes can have either an exaggerated or under performing insulin response so without knowing what your blood sugar was it is hard to say either way.

Try to stick with ketosis but if you do eat a higher amount of carbs again... The next time ease your carbs down into ketosis. Maybe cut 25-50 carbs off your daily total (most people eat about 150-300).

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459 · July 24, 2014 at 9:57 PM

To be clear I didn't say you had rabbit starvation, I was trying to warn you or anyone else who might try to avoid fat while going low-carb, that such a diet can be really bad due to the amount of stress it puts on the body, specially on the liver and kidneys.

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459 · July 24, 2014 at 9:39 PM

Actually rabbit starvation occurs in people that eat lean meat for a while, even though it contains a bit of fat, such as is the case with caribou, rabbit, lean cuts of beef or poultry, etc. But the meat doesn't have to be 100% fat free. This is because too much protein "results in excess levels of amino acids, ammonia (hyperammonemia), and/or urea in the bloodstream, with potentially fatal consequences" while simultaneously feeling fatigued and tired due to lack of usable energy (your body can only use up to about 365 grams from protein per day max, no matter how much of it you eat).

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459 · July 24, 2014 at 5:15 PM

I know, drinking olive oil takes some getting used to. The one I buy is really spicy so at first it was a bit overpowering. I had 3/4 cup yesterday, today I think I'll lower it to 1/2 cup and add a stick of butter to mix things up a little bit.

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459 · July 24, 2014 at 5:07 PM

Oops I missed this part: "I started yesterday"

For some reason I thought the OP had been doing this for a bit longer....

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247 · July 24, 2014 at 5:03 PM

doesn't it also need nearly no fat? I think fatty ground beef and cheese might not be enough for ketosis (and the plus in proteins spikes blood sugar) but it isn't as little in order to get me to serious 'rabbit starvation'?

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41442 · July 24, 2014 at 4:49 PM

Rabbit starvation takes weeks to induce symptoms.

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247 · July 24, 2014 at 4:33 PM

wow! I thought I was eating alot of fat (myfitnesspal was usually aroung 60-70% fat), but obviously not :D okay, bought macadamias and will eat 2, 3 spoons of coconut oil and more olive oil (thanks chronic for the tip with the veggies, couldn't get down a cup of evoo ever!) :)

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83 · July 24, 2014 at 3:42 PM

Non-starchy vegetables cooked in fat, or steamed or boiled then add fat, or raw salad veggies drenched in olive/avocado oil along with whole olives, avocado. Most nuts are also high fat/moderate protein/low carb.

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459 · July 24, 2014 at 3:19 PM

It doesn't have to be pure fat, you could eat avocados, macadamia nuts, olives, or hazelnuts for extra nutrition in addition to some superb monounsaturated fat. Or fatty meats, like pork belly for example. But please eat some more fat, don't starve yourself, and don't be afraid of fat when you're on a keto diet or you will fail, guaranteed.

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459 · July 24, 2014 at 3:08 PM

Yes, eat more fat, believe it or not, that fat in the bottom of your pan is just not enough, seriously. You need to eat some calories or else you will feel like garbage. Assuming you consume, say 2500 calories total (as an example) you could consume an entire cup of olive oil which has 1910 calories (http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/fats-and-oils/509/2) and still have 590 calories left to go before reaching 2500. That's right, a whole cup of oil, I am quite sure you are not consuming anywhere near that much. Heck a whole stick of butter has only 810, not even half your daily calorie needs.

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247 · July 24, 2014 at 1:58 PM

I am absolutely not afraid of fat! I use alot of ghee when cooking and the cheese has really alot of fat, the ground beef is dripping fat, too. Maybe you're right saying I should eat MORE fat - but it feels unnatural to me to just eat spoonfuls of coconut oil because I always think 'This wouldn't be available in nature! But grok still was in ketosis eating meat etc.'. Do you have any suggestions how to get more fat but lower protein at the same time? Just eating pure fat?

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0 · July 24, 2014 at 1:37 PM

If you're diabetic, you should not try to go into ketosis until your blood sugar issues are resolved.

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8065 · July 24, 2014 at 8:34 PM

It sounds like dehydration to me. Look up "hyponatremia"

http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/hyponatremia/basics/symptoms/con-20031445. You have to drink a LOT of fluid to replace what gets flushed out when you deplete your glycogen stores AND you need good sodium and potassium levels to balance the electrolytes.

I agree with Gastronomer that you need to replace the carbs with fat, there wasn't much in what you report that you ate. Don't try to restrict calories, eat to your appetite. If you truly go safely into ketosis, your appetite will control your calorie intake.

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459 · July 24, 2014 at 1:05 PM

Add carbs? Lol. How about you try a real ketogenic diet first? That's not a ketogenic diet, where's the fat? Seriously if you're going to do keto, do it right. Eat some fat, don't be afraid. There's no olive oil, butter, or any fat in your current diet there, just lean protein. Eat a stick of butter or drink at least half a cup of olive oil. If you're eating eggs, tomatoes and 85%+ lean ground beef and nothing more then you are not in ketosis. You're doing a great job watching your carbs, but a ketogenic diet is not protein-based like yours, it should be fat-based. Eating high-protein while also eating low-carb and low-fat results in something called "rabbit starvation", look it up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbit_starvation

"Symptoms include diarrhea, headache, fatigue, low blood pressure and heart rate, and a vague discomfort and hunger (very similar to a food craving) that can only be satisfied by consumption of fat or carbohydrates."

Funny when people on "keto" are afraid to eat more fat, but have no problem wolfing down sugar (or honey, same thing).

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41442 · July 24, 2014 at 4:49 PM

Rabbit starvation takes weeks to induce symptoms.

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247 · July 24, 2014 at 1:58 PM

I am absolutely not afraid of fat! I use alot of ghee when cooking and the cheese has really alot of fat, the ground beef is dripping fat, too. Maybe you're right saying I should eat MORE fat - but it feels unnatural to me to just eat spoonfuls of coconut oil because I always think 'This wouldn't be available in nature! But grok still was in ketosis eating meat etc.'. Do you have any suggestions how to get more fat but lower protein at the same time? Just eating pure fat?

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17103 · July 24, 2014 at 9:44 AM

That doesn't sound like the low carb flu. You'd get low energy, feel tired, but wouldn't get cramps and nausea. Maybe you picked up a stomach bug.

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