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Ketosis and Raw Honey.

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I do not eat raw honey every day but sometimes I will have two cups of coffee in the morning (only once or twice a week, normally I only have water or plain green tea) and I will sweeten it with raw honey (one teaspoon each cup) together with heavy cream. Will the honey ruin my ketosis, will that little damage my weightloss results?

Note: I also have not been eating anything but meat lately and will reintroduce vegetables closer to my goal weight.

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1585 · August 15, 2012 at 7:34 PM

I stopped with sweetening my coffee some time ago nd got rid of the sweeteners in my life. I simply have heavy cream in my coffee alone and I love it. If I do eat sweets which is rare thee days I eat the wild blueberries and lingon I hav .picked in the forwst the surrounds my home :)

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665 · July 13, 2012 at 2:47 AM

Uggla, how is your honey experiment going? I like to sweeten my coffee also, but not more than two tsp per day ~ 12 grams of carbs per day. But besides pure carbs the fact that we are using RAW honey should be taken into consideration, it has minerals, vitamins and enzymes, so maybe does not influence blood sugar the same way as sucrose does?

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665 · July 13, 2012 at 2:42 AM

Not sure why this is marked as an answer. Seems like question was: How small amount RAW honey influences ketosis? Answer: everything tastes sweeter after you get rid of sugar?

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35 · July 09, 2011 at 4:33 PM

Glad that upping the cream made for a satisfying experience for you, Uggla. Cream is your friend if you're trying to kick the sugar habit.

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2297 · June 01, 2011 at 2:48 PM

I'd sat from what you just listed, your diet looks pretty good. I usually cook with 1 tablespoon butter (roughly), so make sure to cook with enough. When you have your chicken leg/breast lunch, you might want to add some more fat to that, either with olives, or eating the chicken with some butter (maybe 2 tablespoons?) on it. Or just eat butter straight, that's what I do. The only thing, is that I'm used to eating fat for me, and I eat around 2,500 to 3,000 cals a day, so I might be suggesting a little high of a number. But I still think adding some fat to a chicken based lunch is a good idea.

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1585 · June 01, 2011 at 9:48 AM

What do you suggest I add to my diet? I have about 3 to 6 tablespoons of cream each day in coffee or tea (I dropped the honey), also cooking with butter and coconut oil. I eat about 4 eggs cooked in butter for breakfast now, 2 porkchops with fat or chicken leg or breast for lunch, olives for snacking. Sometimes I eat tuna with the eggs for breakfast, or I will have 2 salmon filets for lunch. But that's about the sum of it. I have given up my dinners for the time being. I just feel better not eating in the night I have bad stomach issues otherwise.

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1585 · June 01, 2011 at 9:47 AM

What do you suggest I add to my diet? I have about 3 to 6 tablespoons of cream each day in coffee or tea (I dropped the honey), also cooking with butter and coconut oil. I eat about 4 eggs cooked in butter for breakfast now, 2 porkchops with fat or chicken leg or breast for lunch, olives for snacking. Sometimes I eat tuna with the eggs for breakfast, or I will have 2 salmon filets for dinner. But that's about the sum of it.

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1585 · June 01, 2011 at 7:00 AM

I did it! I used more cream in my coffee and BAM! it was ok, I still enjoyed it. Thanks for the advice to up the cream Roger.

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2297 · June 01, 2011 at 2:38 AM

Also, I work with so much detail because I've studied biochemistry, so I'm excited I can apply what I've learned of metabolism and biochemistry to myself. Not everyone needs to know or work with so much detail to be effective in being in ketosis.

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2297 · June 01, 2011 at 2:36 AM

Seeing your post about being overwhelmed, let me rephrase what is at the root of my "too much protein" idea. Essentially, meat really never would have been encountered as lean meat (lean pork, chicken breast, etc.), but instead as an entire animal with a good amount of fat stores. The fat stores would have been likely eaten first, along with some of muscle tissue, resulting in a high fat:protein ratio. Bone marrow was also eaten, providing even more fat in the diet.

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2409 · May 31, 2011 at 7:02 AM

Creamed coconut that I get here, has 6g of carbohydrates per 100g (and 70g of fat) so worries not.

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1585 · May 31, 2011 at 6:30 AM

Thank you for this! You posted some really great information. I posted above on Bens comment that I just stopped eating veggies about 1 and a half weeks ago. Before I was eating spinach mushrooms, cauliflower, cucumber, broccoli, and red peppers mostly. I was also eating feta cheese (which I know cheese is not paleo really) I also have heavy cream every now and then. And Hot sauce!!!!!

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1585 · May 31, 2011 at 6:26 AM

What do you suggest I add to my diet?

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1585 · May 31, 2011 at 6:23 AM

Bristlebeard thank you for the coconut comment!

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1585 · May 31, 2011 at 6:22 AM

Thank you everyone for the comments! I know the dangers of sugar and I am well aware that it is naughty, honey is one of my only naughty devices, I just love coffee but can't stand it unsweetened if that makes any sense. I am well aware how silly and weak that sounds but it's the truth. So in this case maybe it's best to avoid coffee all together? Treat it like ice-cream or a snickers bar.

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1585 · May 31, 2011 at 6:16 AM

Hi Ben, I eat two to 3 boiled eggs in the morning, 2 pork chops or 1 chicken breast for lunch cooked in coconut oil, salmon or tuna or beef for dinner. I was eating vegetables mainly mushrooms, cauliflower, cucumber, broccoli, and red peppers. I also was eating feta every now and then

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1585 · May 31, 2011 at 6:15 AM

Ben I eat two to 3 boiled eggs in the morning, 2 pork chops or chicken breast for lunch cooked in coconut oil, salmon or tuna or beef for dinner. I was eating vegetables mainly mushrooms, cauliflower, cucumber, broccoli, and red peppers. I also was eating feta every now and then.

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2297 · May 31, 2011 at 3:00 AM

There are trace carbs in cream (lactose and the like), although the concentrations are lower that 0.5g per Tbsp cream. That's just the cutoff value for Nutrition Facts data. It's not like you'll be ingesting enough carbs from cream to kick you out of keto. And coconut cream definitely has sugars in it, so it wouldn't be surprising for it to taste sweet. For keto people, coconut cream/dried coconut should be watched due to the ~10g carbs per serving. Just something to think about.

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19469 · May 30, 2011 at 10:50 PM

Agreed. If you put heavy cream or even coconut cream into coffee/tea why bother with adding honey at all? On a side-note, I like a little dash of cinnamon to help bring out the "sweetness".

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15966 · May 30, 2011 at 10:35 PM

if youre eating nothing but meat you may not be in ketosis. how many grams of protein you think youre eating per day? If its high enough, and since you say youre eating only meat it could be pretty high, gluconeogeneis will keep you out of ketosis.

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11986 · May 30, 2011 at 9:38 PM

I agree with your observation that everything tastes sweeter without sugar. It's an interesting phenomenon. Even water tastes slightly sweet to me (I don't eat any sugar/starch/carbs at all, not even vegetables). If someone doesn't have a sugar addiction, though -- and some people don't -- then I don't see what harm a small amount of sugar once or twice a week will do. I couldn't do it without going on a binge, but I'm pretty sure many people can.

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1585 · May 30, 2011 at 12:59 PM

Yes, no starchy vegetables. No vegetables at all at the moment.

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253 · May 30, 2011 at 6:44 AM

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35 · May 30, 2011 at 9:30 PM

That amount of sugar may not kick you out of ketosis, but you can and should kick the sugar habit. If you simply go cold turkey on sugar, your sensitivity to sweetness will heighten. Having gone over a year without intentionally eating refined sugar, tomatoes now taste sweet to me. I tried a little 2% lowfat milk today, and it tasted very sweet to me.

And fat is the new sugar. If you put enough of that heavy cream in your coffee (I use at least 20% cream in my coffee), I don't see why you would need any sugar to have a very satisfying experience.

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665 · July 13, 2012 at 2:42 AM

Not sure why this is marked as an answer. Seems like question was: How small amount RAW honey influences ketosis? Answer: everything tastes sweeter after you get rid of sugar?

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35 · July 09, 2011 at 4:33 PM

Glad that upping the cream made for a satisfying experience for you, Uggla. Cream is your friend if you're trying to kick the sugar habit.

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1585 · June 01, 2011 at 7:00 AM

I did it! I used more cream in my coffee and BAM! it was ok, I still enjoyed it. Thanks for the advice to up the cream Roger.

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2409 · May 31, 2011 at 7:02 AM

Creamed coconut that I get here, has 6g of carbohydrates per 100g (and 70g of fat) so worries not.

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1585 · May 31, 2011 at 6:23 AM

Bristlebeard thank you for the coconut comment!

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1585 · May 31, 2011 at 6:22 AM

Thank you everyone for the comments! I know the dangers of sugar and I am well aware that it is naughty, honey is one of my only naughty devices, I just love coffee but can't stand it unsweetened if that makes any sense. I am well aware how silly and weak that sounds but it's the truth. So in this case maybe it's best to avoid coffee all together? Treat it like ice-cream or a snickers bar.

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2297 · May 31, 2011 at 3:00 AM

There are trace carbs in cream (lactose and the like), although the concentrations are lower that 0.5g per Tbsp cream. That's just the cutoff value for Nutrition Facts data. It's not like you'll be ingesting enough carbs from cream to kick you out of keto. And coconut cream definitely has sugars in it, so it wouldn't be surprising for it to taste sweet. For keto people, coconut cream/dried coconut should be watched due to the ~10g carbs per serving. Just something to think about.

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19469 · May 30, 2011 at 10:50 PM

Agreed. If you put heavy cream or even coconut cream into coffee/tea why bother with adding honey at all? On a side-note, I like a little dash of cinnamon to help bring out the "sweetness".

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11986 · May 30, 2011 at 9:38 PM

I agree with your observation that everything tastes sweeter without sugar. It's an interesting phenomenon. Even water tastes slightly sweet to me (I don't eat any sugar/starch/carbs at all, not even vegetables). If someone doesn't have a sugar addiction, though -- and some people don't -- then I don't see what harm a small amount of sugar once or twice a week will do. I couldn't do it without going on a binge, but I'm pretty sure many people can.

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5242 · May 30, 2011 at 10:02 AM

If you're not eating any starchy vegetables then I wouldn't expect that amount of honey to knock you out of ketosis.

Try it and see :) If it does knock you out it shouldn't take very long to get back in.

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1585 · May 30, 2011 at 12:59 PM

Yes, no starchy vegetables. No vegetables at all at the moment.

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2297 · May 31, 2011 at 2:55 AM

Usually, to be knocked out of ketosis, you need around 60g or carbs or more. So if you are only eating protein and fat, and having a teaspoon of Honey, you won't be kicked out of ketosis.

Using the data provided here, one tablespoon (28g) has 17g of carbs. So you could actually sweeten your coffee with a tablespoon, if you wanted. I'm keto, and I often eat spinach and cream together seasoned with some pepper, tastes kinda good, and I'm getting some greens in my diet. You might want to try to add some broccoli, lettuce, or other very low carb vegetables. Or not, whatever works for you.

Another thing, is that if you are inducing ketosis, as in transitioning from a carb-containing diet, the honey might keep you from entering it.

Also, as ben61820 mentioned, a high protein intake can actually prevent you from being in ketosis, due to the body using the high supply of amino acids from the proteins for gluconeogenesis.A high amount would be 1.5x(Body weight in pounds). I was eating upwards of 300g per day (I'm 210 lbs), and I noticed when I brought my protein down to around 200g a day, and my fats up to roughly 190g, I felt a lot better, and I started testing more positive for ketosis (I'm using Ketostix, they test for ketone concentration in urine).

Moral of the Story: They honey is fine. If you're not in ketosis, then you might have to adjust your macros.

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2297 · June 01, 2011 at 2:48 PM

I'd sat from what you just listed, your diet looks pretty good. I usually cook with 1 tablespoon butter (roughly), so make sure to cook with enough. When you have your chicken leg/breast lunch, you might want to add some more fat to that, either with olives, or eating the chicken with some butter (maybe 2 tablespoons?) on it. Or just eat butter straight, that's what I do. The only thing, is that I'm used to eating fat for me, and I eat around 2,500 to 3,000 cals a day, so I might be suggesting a little high of a number. But I still think adding some fat to a chicken based lunch is a good idea.

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1585 · June 01, 2011 at 9:48 AM

What do you suggest I add to my diet? I have about 3 to 6 tablespoons of cream each day in coffee or tea (I dropped the honey), also cooking with butter and coconut oil. I eat about 4 eggs cooked in butter for breakfast now, 2 porkchops with fat or chicken leg or breast for lunch, olives for snacking. Sometimes I eat tuna with the eggs for breakfast, or I will have 2 salmon filets for lunch. But that's about the sum of it. I have given up my dinners for the time being. I just feel better not eating in the night I have bad stomach issues otherwise.

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1585 · June 01, 2011 at 9:47 AM

What do you suggest I add to my diet? I have about 3 to 6 tablespoons of cream each day in coffee or tea (I dropped the honey), also cooking with butter and coconut oil. I eat about 4 eggs cooked in butter for breakfast now, 2 porkchops with fat or chicken leg or breast for lunch, olives for snacking. Sometimes I eat tuna with the eggs for breakfast, or I will have 2 salmon filets for dinner. But that's about the sum of it.

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2297 · June 01, 2011 at 2:38 AM

Also, I work with so much detail because I've studied biochemistry, so I'm excited I can apply what I've learned of metabolism and biochemistry to myself. Not everyone needs to know or work with so much detail to be effective in being in ketosis.

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2297 · June 01, 2011 at 2:36 AM

Seeing your post about being overwhelmed, let me rephrase what is at the root of my "too much protein" idea. Essentially, meat really never would have been encountered as lean meat (lean pork, chicken breast, etc.), but instead as an entire animal with a good amount of fat stores. The fat stores would have been likely eaten first, along with some of muscle tissue, resulting in a high fat:protein ratio. Bone marrow was also eaten, providing even more fat in the diet.

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1585 · May 31, 2011 at 6:30 AM

Thank you for this! You posted some really great information. I posted above on Bens comment that I just stopped eating veggies about 1 and a half weeks ago. Before I was eating spinach mushrooms, cauliflower, cucumber, broccoli, and red peppers mostly. I was also eating feta cheese (which I know cheese is not paleo really) I also have heavy cream every now and then. And Hot sauce!!!!!

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