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Ketosis: Do coconuts keep you out of it?

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Updated September 28, 2010 at 8:46 PM
Created February 16, 2010 at 2:18 AM

I've been playing with a ketogenic diet for 6 weeks now and have never quite gotten into a deep state (according to the stix, which I know are not always accurate).

I was eating a lot of coconut oil and some coconut butter (not as much as the oil since it has sugar), but then I read in a few places that the medium-chain saturated fats in coconut mimic carbohydrates in the body and therefore end up as preferential fuel rather than one's own body fat. This could possibly prevent ketosis.

Anyone have thoughts or resources?

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0 · May 09, 2010 at 12:52 PM

Alan, thats interesting. I actually find myself showing massive amounts of ketones directly after working out.

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0 · April 30, 2010 at 11:33 AM

If you have been VLC for a while your body will adjust your ketone production more accurately and they won't spill over into urine any more. I have been zero carb high fat for years and show absolutely no colour change on the sticks, not even a trace.The body gets very good at ketone production and ketone use. You will find that especially after working out you will have no excess ketones in the urine.

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0 · April 30, 2010 at 11:26 AM

I have even read where coconut oil will assist fat loss. As always YMMV.

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0 · March 12, 2010 at 5:09 PM

Coconut oil doesn't limit weight loss at all, unless one is eating carbs with it.

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0 · February 20, 2010 at 2:10 AM

@gilliebean I would say no. I have not found that coconut oil adversely affects my fat loss at all. Even if it were to slow it down, including it makes it easier to avoid other indulgences such as fruit, alcohol, etc.

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0 · February 16, 2010 at 7:40 AM

Should a paleo who is trying to shed body fat limit the amount of coconut oil they consume in the same what that they limit alcohol and really sweet fruits?

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195 · February 16, 2010 at 4:39 AM

Even if MCTs are burned preferentially, they certainly do not keep one out of ketosis. On the contrary, MCTs produce ketones even in high carb dietary contexts. The sense in which MCTs "mimic carbohydrates" has to do with the fact that they are used for energy very quickly. LCTs have to go through the lymphatic system before making their way to the blood and the liver, whereas MCTs hit the portal vein and transport to the liver right away -- thus they behave in some ways more like a carb than a fat.

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0 · April 30, 2010 at 11:26 AM

I have even read where coconut oil will assist fat loss. As always YMMV.

Be4b60059db3511771303de1613ecb67
0 · March 12, 2010 at 5:09 PM

Coconut oil doesn't limit weight loss at all, unless one is eating carbs with it.

4310630972b25b6ed4fbd0fe7a7201d0
0 · February 20, 2010 at 2:10 AM

@gilliebean I would say no. I have not found that coconut oil adversely affects my fat loss at all. Even if it were to slow it down, including it makes it easier to avoid other indulgences such as fruit, alcohol, etc.

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0 · February 16, 2010 at 7:40 AM

Should a paleo who is trying to shed body fat limit the amount of coconut oil they consume in the same what that they limit alcohol and really sweet fruits?

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1693 · March 12, 2010 at 4:54 PM

I consume copious amounts of coconut oil/milk/water and am able to remain in ketosis.

I have been experimenting heavily over the last several months with what products "knock" me out of ketosis. Coconut isn't one of them...

But the #1 thing I found that affects the whole process is, water intake. If I want to truly get an accurate representation, I do a 'water' fast for about 18-20hrs before I use those ketostix.

There have been series of days where I ended up VLC <10carbs in a row, and the ketostix were negative for ketones. On those same days though, I had intense work outs, where I remember consuming upwards of a gallon of H20 during the workout, and even more through out the evening post.

So, trust your previous meal decisions vs what the KetoStix read. And if you want the visual confirmation your are in ketosis (and I can understand that for sure), decrease your water/liquid intake for a day or so and re-test.

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0 · May 09, 2010 at 12:52 PM

Alan, thats interesting. I actually find myself showing massive amounts of ketones directly after working out.

5de2fffda92c0bf2be7ede10cad55546
0 · April 30, 2010 at 11:33 AM

If you have been VLC for a while your body will adjust your ketone production more accurately and they won't spill over into urine any more. I have been zero carb high fat for years and show absolutely no colour change on the sticks, not even a trace.The body gets very good at ketone production and ketone use. You will find that especially after working out you will have no excess ketones in the urine.

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3651 · September 28, 2010 at 8:46 PM

I taken spoonfuls of coconut oil to get into and remain in ketosis. Good stuff.

Not sure you need to get into a 'deep' ketogenic state to reap the benefits. Even with trace ketones you will be burning fat.

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10 · September 28, 2010 at 8:38 PM

Here is what I have experienced with water intake and working out. When I work out (1 hour of cardio kickboxing for example) I gulp a lot of water. I think this "appears" to take me out of ketosos for 2 reasons. First the consumption of large quantities of water "dilute" the ketones. This does not mean that there are less ketones. You are simply releasing them through larger portions of urine, therefore less ketones per unit of measurement. (Ever notice that when the ketosis stix resembles a dark or deep level of ketosos it is usually when you do Not urinate very much?) Furthermore, the fat burning process takes place during stages of REM. So, get this, the following morning proceeding an intense workout I notice an even deeper level ok ketosis..... also splenda, any diet soda, and equal totally take me out of ketosis...stevia doesn't.. Hope this helps

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55 · March 14, 2010 at 2:37 AM

Coconut oil is a great way to get into ketosis. Definitely doesn't interfere. It also totally promotes fat burning and weight loss. Lots of good stuff here: http://bit.ly/1EztvC

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