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Should We Be Demanding Recent Lipid Panels from the Various Diet Gurus?

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Updated October 31, 2014 at 4:03 AM
Created March 28, 2013 at 6:13 PM

If we're handing them our money and/or risking our health by taking their advice, does it seem fair that they should post a recent lipid panel in good faith so we can at least have some grasp of the safety or efficacy of their approach?

Should we make this thread a repository of all of them? Please post a link to any you find or any gurus you think should be added to the list. If any of you correspond with these folks and agree with the importance of transparency, please request one.

Here are the ones I've found thus far:

Gary Taubes (3/11)
TC: 204
LDL: 116
HDL: 68
TGs: 64
Source: http://garytaubes.com/2011/04/before-sugar-were-talking-about-cholesterol/

Jimmy Mooore (1/13)
TC: 419
LDL: 332
HDL: 75
TGs: 60
Source: http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/jimmy-moores-n1-experiments-nutritional-ketosis-day-211-240/17390

Harley Johnstone (5/11)
TC: 186
LDL: 116
HDL: 58
TGs: 62
Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftbHme_Q5Gs

S. Boyd Eaton (~1/13)
TC: 171
LDL: 101
HDL: 61
TGs: 41
Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6ORzcIybag

Paul/Shou-Ching Jaminet (~5/12)
TC: Low 200s
LDL: 90-130
HDL: 60-100
TGs: ~50 Source: http://perfecthealthdiet.com/reader-results/comment-page-1/#comment-76742

Chris Kresser (2010)
TC: 213
LDL: 138
HDL: 61
TGs: 42
Source: http://vimeo.com/12515512

Stephan Guyenet (9/08)
TC: 252
LDL: 131
HDL: 111
TGs: 48
Fasting insulin: 2.3 uIU/mL
Fasting glucose: 88 mg/dL
HbA1c: 5.8%
Sources: http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2009/06/when-friedewald-attacks.html
http://wholehealthsources.blogspot.com/2008/09/few-numbers.html

Peter Attia(7/2011)
TC:
LDL: 59
HDL: 85
TGs: 81
Source: http://eatingacademy.com/how-low-carb-diet-reduced-my-risk-of-heart-disease

Mark Sisson
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Robb Wolf
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Dean Ornish
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Ray Peat (Maybe Danny Roddy would be sufficient here?)
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Petro Dobromylskyj
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Nora Gedgaudas
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Ron Rosedale
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Michael Eades
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William Davis
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Martin Berkhan
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Sally Fallon
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Chris Masterjohn
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Loren Cordain
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Matt Stone
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Robert Lustig
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Mehmet Oz
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Jack Kruse
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Edit: I'm not a guru, have not and will never make a thin dime off of information that I believe should be free, and generally recommend things that are only a few degrees off of conventional, but to make this fair: http://i48.tinypic.com/2ry0xs4.jpg

Travis Culp
TC:190
LDL:98
HDL:84
TGs:39
Source:http://i48.tinypic.com/2ry0xs4.jpg

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1211 · May 16, 2013 at 11:47 PM

CD, is that calculation correct, it isn't adding up for me

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1981 · March 30, 2013 at 2:36 AM

Hahahah +1 for "shirtless and caving in on himself with rage".

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10490 · March 29, 2013 at 9:26 PM

+1 for "out themselves on stuff we can verify." Not so sure we'd be able to tell a Photoshopped document, or that they couldn't just print out a document that looks like it could have been printed at a doctor's office.

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319 · March 29, 2013 at 5:12 PM

Lol I'm confused why your confused.

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39841 · March 29, 2013 at 4:28 PM

I'd ask him about it even if he were selling me a car. Wait, what?

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26182 · March 29, 2013 at 3:08 PM

MarkES, I did hte Math, and Attia would be 59+85+(59/5) = 177.8 not 160. But look at my panel below. Friedewald would have my TC at 142.6 where as the VAP had 174.

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26182 · March 29, 2013 at 3:04 PM

@MarkES. It is pretty clear that Attia used a VAP. And since he did not include his TC, I choose not to assume it. 160 seems low though.

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1211 · March 29, 2013 at 1:06 PM

Attia's TC=160 using Friedewald (he indicated standard panel), TC=LDL+HDL+TG/5=59+85+81/5

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3150 · March 29, 2013 at 11:44 AM

I'd be more interested in seeing inflammation markers as well as thyroid panel and hormone status. We should also keep in mind that relying on a certain snapshot of their blood status could vary depending on lots of things so we could go wrong by judging them with this. Overall I think it's a cool idea, they are so influential in the net that their recommendations can lead a major swing on dietetic behaviours for lots of people like us so knowing the outcomes of what they preach should be a good thing for all us, even for them.

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3150 · March 29, 2013 at 11:44 AM

I'd be more interested in seeing inflammation markers as well as thyroid panel and hormone status. We should also keep in mind that relying on a certain snapshot of their blood status could vary depending on lots of things so we could go wrong by judgint them with this. Overall I think it's a cool idea, they are so influential in the net that their recommendations can lead a major swing on dietetic behaviours for lots of people like us so knowing the outcomes of what they preach should be a good thing for all us, even for them.

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1981 · March 29, 2013 at 2:47 AM

Not really. Not when they're providing other evidence for their statements. Most on this list are pretty good at articulating why they advocate what they do, and providing references for us to look into in more depth, if we're inclined to do so.

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39841 · March 29, 2013 at 1:09 AM

You don't think we're entitled to see the lipid panel of a person who is charging money to analyze our lipid panels and make suggestions?

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39841 · March 29, 2013 at 1:02 AM

Hey Jeff, how's it going?

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15226 · March 29, 2013 at 12:27 AM

Nice to see you back around here more Travis!

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39841 · March 28, 2013 at 11:58 PM

I'll always choose some accountability over zero accountability. This community doesn't police itself, which is why it's such a mess. It's gone from research collaboration to industry. I'd like to get it back to where it was.

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375 · March 28, 2013 at 11:32 PM

If your panels kinda suck, and if one of your loyal acolytes requests them, and if consequently you feel sufficient pressure to supply them, then you have two choices: (1) supply them and lose guru status, and (2) supply some nice, unverifiable numbers that people want to hear. How many charlatans are you really going to out with this request? and your numbers are good, then you supply it.

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375 · March 28, 2013 at 11:26 PM

@Travis - is this really a test that everyone has taken? I'm 36, I've had continuous insurance, I visit doctors frequently (though I haven't had a dedicated physical from a GP for ~10 years), but no one has ever suggested that I get a lipid panel.

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39841 · March 28, 2013 at 11:25 PM

It's not boasting if you supply it when one of your loyal acolytes requests it.

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39841 · March 28, 2013 at 11:12 PM

Thanks a lot, I'll edit the OP. I guess some of these can be placeholders until some proper scans come in.

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375 · March 28, 2013 at 11:08 PM

Excellent point. This information is only useful if it's true. If lipid panels aren't an ideal predictor of overall health, then demands for their revelation will only damage honest people whose results differ from the optimum, as defined by the court of public opinion and observational studies.

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375 · March 28, 2013 at 10:57 PM

I'm with CD on this one - if you boast about your good grades after claiming grades are irrelevant, then you're probably a charlatan. But hey, on the other hand, maybe you just really like to hear yourself talk.

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39841 · March 28, 2013 at 10:51 PM

That's a healthy degree of cynicism right there. If they scan it in, I bet we'll be able to tell if the picture is shopped.

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39841 · March 28, 2013 at 10:31 PM

I'm actually really surprised that I can't find more of them. I thought when I got the idea for this that it would be half completed. Maybe there's too much hero-worship and too little accountability.

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2626 · March 28, 2013 at 10:26 PM

Logically speaking, if someone who is successful got all A's, that neither proves nor disproves their claim about grades and success. However, if the got poor grades and were successful, then that proves that grades are not required for success and provides some evidence toward the claim that they don't matter for success.

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2097 · March 28, 2013 at 10:25 PM

no but id sure buy into your "how to lower your cholesterol in 12 steps" plan ! :) lol or maybe it was 11 steps well either way ..SOLD!

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2626 · March 28, 2013 at 10:24 PM

I love this question. Ideally I think the fledgling diet guru should be willing to pay for VAP tests for a representative sample of their early followers, but the least they could do is substantiate their claims about what the diet's done for them.

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39841 · March 28, 2013 at 9:54 PM

Seems fair. I mean, would you buy "How to Go from Bald to a Thick Mane of Hair" from me?

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2097 · March 28, 2013 at 9:15 PM

tax returns and latest paypal purchases too ! :)

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2097 · March 28, 2013 at 8:58 PM

lmao @ my lil pony..ehehe 2 funny :)

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41471 · March 28, 2013 at 8:41 PM

Don't take it personally either, I'm downvoting and voting to close a lot of questions lately. I'm just grumpy. :)

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41471 · March 28, 2013 at 8:39 PM

I'm a vote to close, it's stirring up shit and been discussed before and don't really feel like using the ineffective search function on PH to find the previous questions.

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1655 · March 28, 2013 at 7:32 PM

@CD Um, and then what? So we catalogue our lipid panels, and..? What you presumably want is a crowdsourced intervention study :-) but there are, let's say, major problems in the way.

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19120 · March 28, 2013 at 7:31 PM

Seriously? Argumentative? I mean ... you probably could reword the title and drop the first paragraph to be 0% argumentative, but I don't think the iota of argumentativeness is really what merits closing this as argumentative or subjective. Gotta have some flair, right? ;-)

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26182 · March 28, 2013 at 7:23 PM

Wouldn't cataloging be the opposite of N=1? Shouldn't we all catalog our panels?

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39841 · March 28, 2013 at 7:19 PM

I prefer the latter.

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26182 · March 28, 2013 at 7:13 PM

@Travis, sounds like we should write one together. Lowering your Lipid Panel for Dummies -- or -- Lowering your Lipid Panel by Dummies!

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26182 · March 28, 2013 at 7:12 PM

@VB a little bit of everything. By volume leafy greens and vegetables, tubers or rice, meat. By calories meat, tubers, vegetables. But I really don't restrict myself from eating anything. I also consume dairy and fruits as I see fit.

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39841 · March 28, 2013 at 7:10 PM

CD: Nice panel; where can I buy your book?

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39841 · March 28, 2013 at 7:10 PM

Because it's a test that everyone has taken and they have it sitting in front of them right now.

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1655 · March 28, 2013 at 7:08 PM

@Travis But why stop at lipid numbers? Why not demand HbA1C, Lp(a), fasting glucose, a thyroid panel, a full trace mineral panel and a myriad of other biomarkers? The lipid panel is just a small part of the overall picture of health, why do you want to focus solely on it?

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15400 · March 28, 2013 at 7:06 PM

@CD - what do you eat? I really want to know!

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10490 · March 28, 2013 at 7:01 PM

I do not see how this question could possibly be subjective and argumentative. Do I agree with Travis on this one? Not exactly. Do I find it argumentative? No, absolutely not. Geez, people.

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1655 · March 28, 2013 at 6:58 PM

He's selling you a book so that he can get money to buy yummy grass-fed steaks :-) The real question is why are you buying that book. If you want to expand your knowledge, that's fine. If you want to fine the One True Way (tm), well, you may be in for a disappointment.

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39841 · March 28, 2013 at 6:56 PM

I tried to get a wide sample of different diet types. I think he's no more or less legitimate than a lot of these people.

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39841 · March 28, 2013 at 6:56 PM

Now we're talkin' VB

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26182 · March 28, 2013 at 6:55 PM

Lumifer, I agree it's a good point, but I do not see a benefit of asking them. I can provide the same run training to 50 people, some will become elite others won't. A big part of being a good coach is having athletes with good genetics. Same holds true for cholesterol tests.

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15400 · March 28, 2013 at 6:54 PM

Definitely. Not only their lipid panels, but also their complete blood work test results, urine samples and stool culture. If they had a colonoscopy - I want to watch it on Youtube. We have the right to know. I am interested in Dave Wolfe's DNA Stool analysis with GI effects by Metametrix. The proof is in the pudding. Or rather something that resembles a big pile of pudding.

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39841 · March 28, 2013 at 6:54 PM

"Politely Requesting" was making my title too long.

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10994 · March 28, 2013 at 6:52 PM

I was wondering why people were voting to close it. A) you're a mod and can reopen it, b) it's not subjective and argumentative, c) you'll be able to see the names of the people who closed it, and being a mod, could f' them up if your heart so desired. Reasons not to vote to close: pick one.

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39841 · March 28, 2013 at 6:52 PM

That's an excellent question. Everyone should demand that from their doctor. I will do so next time.

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1655 · March 28, 2013 at 6:48 PM

"If someone gave me any advice about lipid panels while concealing their own, I would find that extremely suspicious." -- Do you know the lipid panel numbers of your primary physician? :-)

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39841 · March 28, 2013 at 6:47 PM

If it only works for him, why is he selling me a book?

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1655 · March 28, 2013 at 6:47 PM

You want foolproof cookbook recipes, and a lot of these people post, basically, notes from a long roadtrip. Following gurus or unquestioningly accepting whatever an authority figure tells you isn't a good idea, anyway. In any case, people's individual biochemistry is noticeably different -- just because, say, Mark Sisson finds what works for him does not mean it will work for you.

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26182 · March 28, 2013 at 6:46 PM

haha, the benefits of being a moderator :)

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39841 · March 28, 2013 at 6:44 PM

CD: I assure you, this shall not be closed.

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39841 · March 28, 2013 at 6:43 PM

Thanks, CD. I had a feeling I had seen another one posted around here.

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26182 · March 28, 2013 at 6:43 PM

People, asking a hard question is not "Subjective and Argumentative". If this question gets closed for being argumentative, than this website has officially jumped the shark.

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26182 · March 28, 2013 at 6:40 PM

agree on both counts. But of course then I would not call them a guru (hence the quotes I used in my answer).

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10994 · March 28, 2013 at 6:40 PM

No, but I'll take one if you pay for it. Eh?

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39841 · March 28, 2013 at 6:38 PM

lol...do you have a lipid panel?

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39841 · March 28, 2013 at 6:37 PM

If someone told me that a massive LDL pool with a slow turnover was find and dandy and not more subject to oxidation than a smaller one, I would call them a charlatan. If someone gave me any advice about lipid panels while concealing their own, I would find that extremely suspicious.

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26182 · March 28, 2013 at 6:34 PM

If someone told me grades were irrelevant, and then boasted about their "Straight A's" -- I would call them a charlatan. Same, if someone said cholesterol is not the problem, inflammation is, then I would expect them not to post their scores.

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10994 · March 28, 2013 at 6:34 PM

You left Stephen Ross off the list. Just a typo I'm sure.

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39841 · March 28, 2013 at 6:31 PM

If you can't take care of your own n=1, how are you qualified to give advice to n=1,000,000?

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39841 · March 28, 2013 at 6:29 PM

Yes, I would ask them what their grades were in that case.

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1981 · March 29, 2013 at 12:18 AM

I don't think we are entitled to the information, but if they chose to provide it, it certainly has the potential to be one more source of support for their various approaches.

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39841 · March 29, 2013 at 1:09 AM

You don't think we're entitled to see the lipid panel of a person who is charging money to analyze our lipid panels and make suggestions?

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1981 · March 29, 2013 at 2:47 AM

Not really. Not when they're providing other evidence for their statements. Most on this list are pretty good at articulating why they advocate what they do, and providing references for us to look into in more depth, if we're inclined to do so.

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1655 · March 28, 2013 at 6:29 PM

I a bit confused why would you care about some particular n=1? You should care about your own -- everyone is different.

And yes, some of the people mentioned would say that they don't care about their lipid numbers as long as other things (notably, inflammation) are fine.

And the risk of taking someone's advice is entirely your own.

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39841 · March 28, 2013 at 6:47 PM

If it only works for him, why is he selling me a book?

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26182 · March 28, 2013 at 7:23 PM

Wouldn't cataloging be the opposite of N=1? Shouldn't we all catalog our panels?

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1655 · March 28, 2013 at 6:58 PM

He's selling you a book so that he can get money to buy yummy grass-fed steaks :-) The real question is why are you buying that book. If you want to expand your knowledge, that's fine. If you want to fine the One True Way (tm), well, you may be in for a disappointment.

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39841 · March 28, 2013 at 6:31 PM

If you can't take care of your own n=1, how are you qualified to give advice to n=1,000,000?

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1655 · March 28, 2013 at 6:47 PM

You want foolproof cookbook recipes, and a lot of these people post, basically, notes from a long roadtrip. Following gurus or unquestioningly accepting whatever an authority figure tells you isn't a good idea, anyway. In any case, people's individual biochemistry is noticeably different -- just because, say, Mark Sisson finds what works for him does not mean it will work for you.

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1655 · March 28, 2013 at 7:32 PM

@CD Um, and then what? So we catalogue our lipid panels, and..? What you presumably want is a crowdsourced intervention study :-) but there are, let's say, major problems in the way.

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26182 · March 28, 2013 at 6:26 PM

Your question course assumes that cholesterol is a first order effect for heart disease. A claim that many of these "gurus" would reject. There is a correlation, but not a causal relationship -- at least not a first order causal relationship.

Perhaps inflammation is the first order effect. And high inflammation tied with cholesterol (or cholesterol is high due to high inflammation) is the concern with heart disease.

If some one came to you and said, "Grades are irrelevant to success" Would you ask them what their grades were or whether they were successful? Many of these "gurus" suggest that cholesterol is not the issue, inflammation and/or environmental/lifestyle factors (like smoking) put you at risk of heart disease.

I am not sure which side I sit on yet. I do know that switching to Paleo dropped my LDL and trigs, raised my HDL, and lowered my total cholesterol below 200 for the first time since I was 15. And I have a history of high cholesterol in my family. Like I have said before -- I don't need their numbers, I've got mine.

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For what it's worth:

Pre Paleo:
TC: 248
HDL: 60
LDL 168
Trigs: 100

One Year Post:
TC: 174
HDL: 85
LDL: 78
Trigs: 42

Trig/HDL ratio from 1.6 to .49
TC/HDL ratio from 4.1 to 2.04
LDL/HDL ratio from 2.8 to .91

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26182 · March 28, 2013 at 6:55 PM

Lumifer, I agree it's a good point, but I do not see a benefit of asking them. I can provide the same run training to 50 people, some will become elite others won't. A big part of being a good coach is having athletes with good genetics. Same holds true for cholesterol tests.

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2626 · March 28, 2013 at 10:26 PM

Logically speaking, if someone who is successful got all A's, that neither proves nor disproves their claim about grades and success. However, if the got poor grades and were successful, then that proves that grades are not required for success and provides some evidence toward the claim that they don't matter for success.

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375 · March 28, 2013 at 11:32 PM

If your panels kinda suck, and if one of your loyal acolytes requests them, and if consequently you feel sufficient pressure to supply them, then you have two choices: (1) supply them and lose guru status, and (2) supply some nice, unverifiable numbers that people want to hear. How many charlatans are you really going to out with this request? and your numbers are good, then you supply it.

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39841 · March 28, 2013 at 6:29 PM

Yes, I would ask them what their grades were in that case.

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39841 · March 28, 2013 at 7:10 PM

CD: Nice panel; where can I buy your book?

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26182 · March 28, 2013 at 7:13 PM

@Travis, sounds like we should write one together. Lowering your Lipid Panel for Dummies -- or -- Lowering your Lipid Panel by Dummies!

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39841 · March 28, 2013 at 7:19 PM

I prefer the latter.

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39841 · March 28, 2013 at 6:52 PM

That's an excellent question. Everyone should demand that from their doctor. I will do so next time.

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39841 · March 28, 2013 at 11:25 PM

It's not boasting if you supply it when one of your loyal acolytes requests it.

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26182 · March 28, 2013 at 7:12 PM

@VB a little bit of everything. By volume leafy greens and vegetables, tubers or rice, meat. By calories meat, tubers, vegetables. But I really don't restrict myself from eating anything. I also consume dairy and fruits as I see fit.

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39841 · March 28, 2013 at 6:37 PM

If someone told me that a massive LDL pool with a slow turnover was find and dandy and not more subject to oxidation than a smaller one, I would call them a charlatan. If someone gave me any advice about lipid panels while concealing their own, I would find that extremely suspicious.

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15400 · March 28, 2013 at 7:06 PM

@CD - what do you eat? I really want to know!

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26182 · March 28, 2013 at 6:40 PM

agree on both counts. But of course then I would not call them a guru (hence the quotes I used in my answer).

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39841 · March 28, 2013 at 7:10 PM

Because it's a test that everyone has taken and they have it sitting in front of them right now.

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26182 · March 28, 2013 at 6:34 PM

If someone told me grades were irrelevant, and then boasted about their "Straight A's" -- I would call them a charlatan. Same, if someone said cholesterol is not the problem, inflammation is, then I would expect them not to post their scores.

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1655 · March 28, 2013 at 6:48 PM

"If someone gave me any advice about lipid panels while concealing their own, I would find that extremely suspicious." -- Do you know the lipid panel numbers of your primary physician? :-)

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375 · March 28, 2013 at 11:26 PM

@Travis - is this really a test that everyone has taken? I'm 36, I've had continuous insurance, I visit doctors frequently (though I haven't had a dedicated physical from a GP for ~10 years), but no one has ever suggested that I get a lipid panel.

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1655 · March 28, 2013 at 7:08 PM

@Travis But why stop at lipid numbers? Why not demand HbA1C, Lp(a), fasting glucose, a thyroid panel, a full trace mineral panel and a myriad of other biomarkers? The lipid panel is just a small part of the overall picture of health, why do you want to focus solely on it?

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39841 · March 28, 2013 at 11:58 PM

I'll always choose some accountability over zero accountability. This community doesn't police itself, which is why it's such a mess. It's gone from research collaboration to industry. I'd like to get it back to where it was.

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375 · March 28, 2013 at 10:57 PM

I'm with CD on this one - if you boast about your good grades after claiming grades are irrelevant, then you're probably a charlatan. But hey, on the other hand, maybe you just really like to hear yourself talk.

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1211 · March 28, 2013 at 11:05 PM

Here's some additional data ...

Paul Jaminet (5/12)
TC: low 200s
LDL: 90-130
HDL: 60-100
TGs: ~50
Source: http://perfecthealthdiet.com/reader-results/comment-page-1/#comment-76742

Chris Kresser (2010)
TC: 213
LDL: 138
HDL: 61
TGs: 42
Source: http://vimeo.com/12515512
VAP; time: 6:20, user: The Healthy Skeptic
Noting that Chris has removed this posting from chriskresser.com and has been openly adjusting his view.

Stephan Guyenet (9/08)
TC: 252
LDL: 131
HDL: 111
TGs: 48
Fasting insulin: 2.3 uIU/mL
Fasting glucose: 88 mg/dL
HbA1c: 5.8%
Source: http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2009/06/when-friedewald-attacks.html
http://wholehealthsources.blogspot.com/2008/09/few-numbers.html
Second link is apparent blog copy, extra 's', of removed original "lipid panel" link confirms missing TC, HDL, and consistent with LDL calculations.

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39841 · March 28, 2013 at 11:12 PM

Thanks a lot, I'll edit the OP. I guess some of these can be placeholders until some proper scans come in.

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11254 · March 28, 2013 at 10:04 PM

No. This just plays into the bad people's hands. It is more self-promotion, even if it is bad. It is more traffic generation over something that is likely irrelevant. If they are making decent, informative posts, podcasts, etc... and showing some honesty and integrity, then I have something to work with, even if they are wrong about a thing or two.

The sociopaths could just straight up lie, and there isn't a way we could verify it.

Let the sociopaths out themselves on stuff we can verify.

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39841 · March 28, 2013 at 10:51 PM

That's a healthy degree of cynicism right there. If they scan it in, I bet we'll be able to tell if the picture is shopped.

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375 · March 28, 2013 at 11:08 PM

Excellent point. This information is only useful if it's true. If lipid panels aren't an ideal predictor of overall health, then demands for their revelation will only damage honest people whose results differ from the optimum, as defined by the court of public opinion and observational studies.

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10490 · March 29, 2013 at 9:26 PM

+1 for "out themselves on stuff we can verify." Not so sure we'd be able to tell a Photoshopped document, or that they couldn't just print out a document that looks like it could have been printed at a doctor's office.

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4306 · March 28, 2013 at 6:53 PM

Demanding? No. but it does sound interesting.

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39841 · March 28, 2013 at 6:54 PM

"Politely Requesting" was making my title too long.

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319 · March 29, 2013 at 1:13 PM

So If a doctor was prescribing you viagra would you ask the doc about his erection quality? How about asking a fertility doctor why she has no children?

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39841 · March 29, 2013 at 4:28 PM

I'd ask him about it even if he were selling me a car. Wait, what?

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319 · March 29, 2013 at 5:12 PM

Lol I'm confused why your confused.

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897 · March 29, 2013 at 6:11 AM

I think so. If these people are advocating a diet that will give them a lipid panel that the vast majority of experts would consider to increase your chance of cardiovascular disease it would only seem right.

Then again, if I was jimmy moore there's no way i'd be releasing that kind of information while trying to promote a diet that caused it.

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2097 · March 28, 2013 at 8:57 PM

Good point ! and actually- we shouldnt have to demand it.. they should provide the proof behind the pudding in their books/blogs/sites without us even asking. Show us how following their own dietary recommendations altered and ameliroated their #'s.. dammit! :)

Grab your torches and lets go GETTEMMMMMMMMM! ..lol..

ive got mine numeros from last June after not having been to a doctor for checkup or tests for 16 years :) theyre in canadian metric or wutvr its called (:P (and they were fine phew!!!)

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39841 · March 28, 2013 at 9:54 PM

Seems fair. I mean, would you buy "How to Go from Bald to a Thick Mane of Hair" from me?

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2097 · March 28, 2013 at 10:25 PM

no but id sure buy into your "how to lower your cholesterol in 12 steps" plan ! :) lol or maybe it was 11 steps well either way ..SOLD!

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2097 · March 28, 2013 at 9:15 PM

tax returns and latest paypal purchases too ! :)

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4176 · March 28, 2013 at 6:54 PM

Yes. And if they disagree with a lipid panel as an indicator of health, then they should offer alternative evidence of good health. I truly appreciate all the free information that most of those folks offer, but it would be nice to know.

Harley Johnstone, huh? I can already hear his giddy My Little Pony laugh at being included in this. Now comes his confused trolling where he is half flattered and then shirtless and caving in on himself with rage.

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39841 · March 28, 2013 at 6:56 PM

I tried to get a wide sample of different diet types. I think he's no more or less legitimate than a lot of these people.

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2097 · March 28, 2013 at 8:58 PM

lmao @ my lil pony..ehehe 2 funny :)

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1981 · March 30, 2013 at 2:36 AM

Hahahah +1 for "shirtless and caving in on himself with rage".

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70 · March 29, 2013 at 11:26 AM

its interesting that 99% of them are guys...i think there may be a tie to what guys eat vs women...not in calories but in substance. dairy may be better for men than women. nuts may be better for women than men. the list could go on and on. i see many cultures love fish eggs for women, not so much catching or celebrating them for men. maybe the saturated fat and lipid argument holds a lot of ground, for males. maybe it does for women as well but i havent seen that exist outside of calories being a factor for women in improving lipids via saturated fat. aka, the lipids would probably improve if 'x' woman had eaten 'x' fat in nuts vs butter. And maybe coconut oil is different as where it would be located would likely be a prime source of fat for both men and women. i always look back at old school bodybuilding success stories, men love their saturated fat for muscle gains, eggs an dairy....women love their salmon and almonds for their oatmeal... just a thought. and the other half is most likely genetics from your grandparents in my opinion.

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