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This message is for the quilt (or anyone else whom can answer and I apologize for the highjack of an earlier thread). I am assuming you live in the FL area being you spoke with Dr.Baunam personally. I am set for an appointment with Dr Baunam soon (female hair loss) but don't want to waist my money if he is not up to date with his science. Do you have recommendations for a doctor more knowledgeable in female premature hair loss as as well as a holistic physician? Thanks

p.s. I have gone Paleo with notable difference to athletic performance but no improvement to hair. In fact it is worse. I am pretty certain this is a hormonal issue from 10 years of overtraining/undereating.

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2944 · June 17, 2013 at 7:16 AM

Blows my mind a bit how a cured meat product can affect hair so much but hey, whatever works for people...

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0 · August 20, 2011 at 2:11 AM

Nudge, keep me posted on what Robb has to say. Be aggressive in getting your amenorrhea taken care of. I will definitely keep you posted on the grain situation. I started adding a bit of flat bread to one meal a day. Flip p.s. I wish there was a way to post our e-mail so the whole wide world can't see it so we could keep each other posted easier.

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193 · August 19, 2011 at 10:47 AM

amenorrhea is still an issue which i thought might have responded to the high fat diet i am eating. i would be interested to hear if adding a little grain, like wild rice, back into your diet has any positive effect on the hair loss. I take a good multivitamin and magnesium supps every day, which should help, but havent seemed to make a difference either. Thank you for your suggestion to contact Robb Wolf - i think i will. It would be great to keep each other updated with any findings on our journeys :) thanks again

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193 · August 19, 2011 at 10:43 AM

a ton of fruit and veg (little grains - more beans/lentils). now switching to paleo i am eating 70% fat from meat/coconuts/butter/ghee/olive oil etc etc with meat/fish, a moderate amount of veg, and a small amount of berries. I feel great, my weight is extremely stable at 130 lbs and 21% body fat which makes me very happy as i dont want to think about my weight any more - i just want to enjoy great food and feel good. its only since noticing my hair (which has always been thinner and fragile than average) is coming out every time i wash/brush it, that i am a little alarmed, and obviously my

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193 · August 19, 2011 at 10:38 AM

like that again). they simply told me to put 10-14 lbs back on and the periods would come back. while being vegetarian at the time, i found my weight was never very stable, and i would yoyo 5-6lbs every couple of days, so sometimes i was near the weight they wanted, and nothing happened. i was also in no way underweight at this point - 5ft 8" at 135-138 lbs, within the 'normal' BMI range etc so i really didnt see their point of becoming what i believe to be a little overweight for my build to get my periods back. what i believe was wrong was my diet of low fat, no meat, little fish and mostly

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193 · August 19, 2011 at 10:31 AM

would have made that big an impact on my body, and i think i would have known if i was suffering from depression? i dont feel depressed and dont want to let doctors tell me i need to go on meds for something i think is natural and everyone goes through and deals with?) after putting it down to stress, and then hearing that i had lost around 60 lbs in a year, they then put it down to my body going into shock, and that i even had an eating disorder (which i really didnt, although looking back now, i know i was a little extreme in my portion control to lose the weight, and would/could never eat

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193 · August 19, 2011 at 10:26 AM

Thanks for taking the time to write back - its certainly helpful and comforting to hear from someone who shares the same problems :) Unlike you, i really am no athlete, and although i am fit and lean, do not work out or train to athlete standards - i only went to the gym religiously before to lose the weight - now i just do low impact exercise, more for my mind than my body really. after seeing my blood results, the doctors put my amenorrhea down to stress (my father had passed away while i was going through the weight loss, and although this was obviously a stressful event, i dont beleive it

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0 · August 18, 2011 at 12:23 PM

Hi animalcule, Can you chime in on the latest enquire by Nudge?

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The only reason I have not contacted him is because I feel at 41 years old, the damage has been done. (unresolved amenorrhea, hair loss, osteoporosis and etc.) Get your body straightened out now! What do your doctors say about the no period thing? Don't listen to the myth that not having a period is normal when you are an athlete. That's what the docs told me and now I am dealing with the consequences of that faulty thought. Whheew! That was long and I hope to have filled in some blanks. Flip

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0 · August 18, 2011 at 12:17 PM

but being I had broke my foot in Feb. which didn't allow me to train for 6 weeks, gained 10 pounds and still no hair re growth, leaves me frustrated. With regards to the amenorrhea which I have had for 10 years and am perplexed by this as well. Even on vivelle and prometrium.......no periods. I am certain something happened to my hypothalamus from years of overtraining and undereating. On a positive note for you, you are young. Your body will bounce back if you continue to be kind to it. My last suggestion would be to contact Robb Wolf and see if he has any input........(cont.)

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0 · August 18, 2011 at 12:13 PM

Hi Nudge, I wish I did have answers but I don't. In fact I recently posted elsewhere that I am at one year with this mysterious hair loss diffusion. I plan on adding a small amount of grain back into my diet because like you my blood work shows hormones a little low but all else is great. In addition, I know many other women with totally wacky diets and hormone profiles but no hair loss. I am with you on gaining a bunch of weight to see if my hair grows. I wouldn't hesitate if there were evidence that this would make a difference with hair growth but being ......(continuued)

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7967 · June 05, 2011 at 10:21 PM

I am finding that a nutrient-rich paleo diet, lots of fat, plenty of starch, and not too much cardio is helping my hair, hormone balance, and general health. Good luck!

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39821 · June 05, 2011 at 3:08 AM

That's interesting, Doris, how much were you taking?

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70 · June 05, 2011 at 2:45 AM

Baunman didn't really have much to say about the D3 but did think I should try the mult vit. Viviscal???? I don't think I should stop either being I have osteoporosis. D3 seems to be super important for bone metabolism.

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70 · June 05, 2011 at 2:29 AM

Baunman didn't really have much to day about the D3 but did think I should try the mult vit. Viviscal???? I don't think I should stop either being I have osteoporosis. D3 seems to be super important.

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70 · June 05, 2011 at 2:27 AM

Gosh, I hear you! I have super long hair and it had always looked wavy, blond and healthy. Now long, thin and limp. I didn't appreciate it. I agree, we are our own worst critics.

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7967 · May 30, 2011 at 9:11 PM

Oh and I didn't add in my post that while I do not have balding, the hair loss/thinning is much worse on one side of my head, which looks so odd! People rarely notice it though, we're our own worse critics...

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7967 · May 30, 2011 at 9:10 PM

I have had this problem since 2007, and it's been growing back in since about December 2010! Dr. did say I obviously had hair loss but I had already self-diagnosed the type... it's the only definition that fits. I know, it's totally not fair, I love my hair and had just grown it really long when it started thinning so badly I have had to keep cutting it. And it only started because I became a vegetarian and started eating lots of whole grains to try to be healthier. :(

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70 · May 30, 2011 at 8:42 PM

Thanks for the reply! How many months did it take for the shed to stop? Did you get a dr. to diagnose your chronic telogen effluvium or self diagnosed. This sucks! I have been fit my whole life. :/ So I thought.......

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9948 · May 28, 2011 at 10:11 PM

You can listen to him on a podcast with Jimmy Moore http://paleohacks.com/questions/40602/what-do-you-know-about-leptin-resistance#axzz1NgX8ZabS

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70 · May 28, 2011 at 10:09 PM

I've done lots of blood work but it really seems like my body had adjusted to the 10 years of virtually no hormones and now trying to fix it seems bad. When I started shedding hair and Sept.2010 I knew my body was pissed! I am wondering if any of the Robb Wolf crew should be sought out for a consult? Cortisol in normal range 11.8 IGF-1 normal 227 C-rp (high) 2.57 (this elevated from 5 months ago) Vit-D 39 out of 20-80 value *you're smart (last post)

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70 · May 28, 2011 at 10:05 PM

I've done lots of blood work but it really seems like my body has adapted to the 10 years of no virtually no hormones and trying to fix it now might be a bad idea. I don't even think Robb Wolf could answer that! Corisol in normal range 11.8 IGF-1 normal 227 C-rp (high) 2.57 (this elevated from 5 months ago) Vit-D 39 out of 20-80 value *you're smart (last post)

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70 · May 28, 2011 at 9:59 PM

Corisol in normal range 11.8 IGF-1 normal 227 C-rp (high) 2.57 (this elevated from 5 months ago) Vit-D 39 out of 20-80 value

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70 · May 28, 2011 at 9:55 PM

Quilt, (I just found this site and have no idea who you are but know your smart). Believe me, I have done an exhausting amount of research and I am stumped. Bauman is not my first go to, in fact he is the 5th dr I will see with no diagnosis. You bring up a great point on hormones. I have had hypothalamic amenorrhea for 10 years. At the age of 40 and diagnosed with osteoporosis I was put on bioidentical hormones. I almost feel as if my body had adapted to this overtrianing/undereating/amennorihic destructive behavior and when I added the hormones, things started going very wrong.

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70 · May 28, 2011 at 9:46 PM

Hmmmmm.... that is interesting. I will certainly ask about that because I regularly take both. Thanks

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25467 · May 28, 2011 at 4:34 PM

The real root cause but if you need. Transplant he is the guy to see. Genetic hair loss is rare in women. It's almost always hormonal change. In men it's driven by hi dht levels. Id tell you to visit him but then see a doc who specializes in bioidentical hormone replacement and get that work up done first. That is likely where the treasure is buried. If youre the rare women who has high dht and genetic causes......then Bauman is great for a transplant. He is cutting edge on that side. Talking doesnt hurt. It may enlighten you

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25467 · May 28, 2011 at 4:31 PM

What you do with it is critical. And I think you need to research the issues you have more in depth instead of relying on him to tell you what to do. If you ask the right questions you generally get better answers and insight. Moreover, when I hear ladies are having hair loss the first isSue to deal with is hormonal balance and not your hair. Hair loss is a symptom of a bigger issue. My bet is your insulin levels are high and you have an elevated cardiac crp and low vitamin d level. I also bet your cortisol is raised. Those are far more likely why it's happening. Bauman will not get to

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25467 · May 28, 2011 at 4:27 PM

He is not as update as the science in his field is but that science is not being used clinically by hair restoration specialists. There are only about a 100 of those types of doctors in the USA and they all heavily use drugs that effect the five alpha reductase pathway. What you need to know is that this drugs can cause significant issues with ones hypothalamus long term as the recent study out of Boston university showed that dr Bauman was completely unaware of when we spoke. That is why I became bothered a bit by his approach. I think he is knowledgable and a consult is cheap

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7967 · August 18, 2011 at 3:33 PM

I think recommendations to gain more weight when you're at a perfectly normal (assuming your body fat levels aren't low) BMI at say 5'7" and 130 lbs are ridiculous.

My general advice to any woman with these types hormonal issues is to AVOID VLC. I came into paleo much like Nudge, fresh of a disastrous stint as a vegetarian and with all kinds of hormonal issues, but not amenorrhea (however, I have been weight stable within 10 lbs since I was 14, and never exercised much). For some reason I went VLC and while it helped some of my issues, it didn't improve others, or even made them worse. I think I lost more hair on VLC than I did as a vegan. :/

Ketosis is a stress to the body, and when your system is already too stressed to maintain a menstrual cycle, I think the focus should be different much different than a paleo diet designed for fat loss, etc.

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70 · June 05, 2011 at 2:25 AM

Thanks for all of the replies. I did see Dr. Baunam and he was very kind, the staff was great and well, the science wasn't there. In fact, I mentioned that I was not interested in a transplant or putting chemicals on my head but was hoping to finally get a diagnoses, as I have already been to 5 doctors telling me 5 different things. His reply was that I really needed an endocrinologist or ob gyn to check my hormones, blood but did say I have female pattern thinning. (generic statement) Again, super kind and definitely NOT pushy with his products. Bauman thinks monoxodil and his lazer cap ($3000) could really help. In addition, the group measured the density of the hair to provide a base line when I go back in 3 months.

I am disappointed that I didn't get a diagnosis but have faith if I train less intense, eat more, rest more and continue a Paleo life I might stop/reverse the hair loss.

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7967 · June 05, 2011 at 10:21 PM

I am finding that a nutrient-rich paleo diet, lots of fat, plenty of starch, and not too much cardio is helping my hair, hormone balance, and general health. Good luck!

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7967 · May 30, 2011 at 5:30 PM

I had chronic telogen effluvium (diffuse hair loss involving hairs shedding out at short lengths, not balding) which started when I was vegetarian/vegan, continued and maybe even worsened as I tried low-carb paleo, and has finally stopped now that I eat a whole-foods paleo-style diet with plenty of starch. I might be able to grow my hair long again, woo hoo! The Perfect Health Diet blog has mentioned hair loss associated with VLC diets...

Good luck.

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0 · August 18, 2011 at 12:23 PM

Hi animalcule, Can you chime in on the latest enquire by Nudge?

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70 · June 05, 2011 at 2:27 AM

Gosh, I hear you! I have super long hair and it had always looked wavy, blond and healthy. Now long, thin and limp. I didn't appreciate it. I agree, we are our own worst critics.

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7967 · May 30, 2011 at 9:11 PM

Oh and I didn't add in my post that while I do not have balding, the hair loss/thinning is much worse on one side of my head, which looks so odd! People rarely notice it though, we're our own worse critics...

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7967 · May 30, 2011 at 9:10 PM

I have had this problem since 2007, and it's been growing back in since about December 2010! Dr. did say I obviously had hair loss but I had already self-diagnosed the type... it's the only definition that fits. I know, it's totally not fair, I love my hair and had just grown it really long when it started thinning so badly I have had to keep cutting it. And it only started because I became a vegetarian and started eating lots of whole grains to try to be healthier. :(

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70 · May 30, 2011 at 8:42 PM

Thanks for the reply! How many months did it take for the shed to stop? Did you get a dr. to diagnose your chronic telogen effluvium or self diagnosed. This sucks! I have been fit my whole life. :/ So I thought.......

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1227 · May 28, 2011 at 12:50 PM

I started noticing hair loss when I started supplementing with Vitamin D3 along with fish oil. (I'd been taking the fish oil for several years). I stopped both supplements and my hair stopped falling out. I'll be interested in what Dr. Baunam tells you.

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39821 · June 05, 2011 at 3:08 AM

That's interesting, Doris, how much were you taking?

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70 · June 05, 2011 at 2:45 AM

Baunman didn't really have much to say about the D3 but did think I should try the mult vit. Viviscal???? I don't think I should stop either being I have osteoporosis. D3 seems to be super important for bone metabolism.

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70 · June 05, 2011 at 2:29 AM

Baunman didn't really have much to day about the D3 but did think I should try the mult vit. Viviscal???? I don't think I should stop either being I have osteoporosis. D3 seems to be super important.

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70 · May 28, 2011 at 9:46 PM

Hmmmmm.... that is interesting. I will certainly ask about that because I regularly take both. Thanks

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29 · June 17, 2013 at 1:06 PM

Do you rub the spam into the hair or just eat it?

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193 · August 17, 2011 at 3:36 PM

Hi Flip - i was wondering how you were going in your hormonal recovery? I am 26 and through stress/exercise/quick weight loss (4 stone in a year) have been suffering with amenorrhea for the best part of 3 years. I am not underweight (although i was when i first lost my periods), and have been back at a healthy weight/diet for 2 years although my amenorrhea has not changed. I too have hair loss issues, which seem to have got worse since i have followed a paleo diet (which i have been doing for 2 months now). before then i was vegetarian for a year which gave me various health issues which were the reason why i found out about the benefits of paleo etc and thus switched. I have seen doctors who have done full hormone/blood checks - the outcome is always 'yes, your levels are a little low but nothing to worry about - im sure if you put more weight on it'll sort itself out'. i am 5,7" and 130 lbs - this doesnt seem underweight at all to me, and i dont see why i should have to gain a load of weight that will only make me unhappy...i no longer exercise excessively (i haven't for a long time - only walking/yoga now). apart from hair loss, i have no other negative effects since switching to a paleo diet, and totally believe this is the best way to eat and live. i eat 10% carb/20% protein/70% fat and am very happy with this ratio. I just want to see my hair loss/amenorrhea improve...i was wondering if you had any info/advise you could share on your own experience?

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0 · August 20, 2011 at 2:11 AM

Nudge, keep me posted on what Robb has to say. Be aggressive in getting your amenorrhea taken care of. I will definitely keep you posted on the grain situation. I started adding a bit of flat bread to one meal a day. Flip p.s. I wish there was a way to post our e-mail so the whole wide world can't see it so we could keep each other posted easier.

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193 · August 19, 2011 at 10:47 AM

amenorrhea is still an issue which i thought might have responded to the high fat diet i am eating. i would be interested to hear if adding a little grain, like wild rice, back into your diet has any positive effect on the hair loss. I take a good multivitamin and magnesium supps every day, which should help, but havent seemed to make a difference either. Thank you for your suggestion to contact Robb Wolf - i think i will. It would be great to keep each other updated with any findings on our journeys :) thanks again

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193 · August 19, 2011 at 10:43 AM

a ton of fruit and veg (little grains - more beans/lentils). now switching to paleo i am eating 70% fat from meat/coconuts/butter/ghee/olive oil etc etc with meat/fish, a moderate amount of veg, and a small amount of berries. I feel great, my weight is extremely stable at 130 lbs and 21% body fat which makes me very happy as i dont want to think about my weight any more - i just want to enjoy great food and feel good. its only since noticing my hair (which has always been thinner and fragile than average) is coming out every time i wash/brush it, that i am a little alarmed, and obviously my

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193 · August 19, 2011 at 10:38 AM

like that again). they simply told me to put 10-14 lbs back on and the periods would come back. while being vegetarian at the time, i found my weight was never very stable, and i would yoyo 5-6lbs every couple of days, so sometimes i was near the weight they wanted, and nothing happened. i was also in no way underweight at this point - 5ft 8" at 135-138 lbs, within the 'normal' BMI range etc so i really didnt see their point of becoming what i believe to be a little overweight for my build to get my periods back. what i believe was wrong was my diet of low fat, no meat, little fish and mostly

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193 · August 19, 2011 at 10:31 AM

would have made that big an impact on my body, and i think i would have known if i was suffering from depression? i dont feel depressed and dont want to let doctors tell me i need to go on meds for something i think is natural and everyone goes through and deals with?) after putting it down to stress, and then hearing that i had lost around 60 lbs in a year, they then put it down to my body going into shock, and that i even had an eating disorder (which i really didnt, although looking back now, i know i was a little extreme in my portion control to lose the weight, and would/could never eat

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193 · August 19, 2011 at 10:26 AM

Thanks for taking the time to write back - its certainly helpful and comforting to hear from someone who shares the same problems :) Unlike you, i really am no athlete, and although i am fit and lean, do not work out or train to athlete standards - i only went to the gym religiously before to lose the weight - now i just do low impact exercise, more for my mind than my body really. after seeing my blood results, the doctors put my amenorrhea down to stress (my father had passed away while i was going through the weight loss, and although this was obviously a stressful event, i dont beleive it

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0 · August 18, 2011 at 12:22 PM

The only reason I have not contacted him is because I feel at 41 years old, the damage has been done. (unresolved amenorrhea, hair loss, osteoporosis and etc.) Get your body straightened out now! What do your doctors say about the no period thing? Don't listen to the myth that not having a period is normal when you are an athlete. That's what the docs told me and now I am dealing with the consequences of that faulty thought. Whheew! That was long and I hope to have filled in some blanks. Flip

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0 · August 18, 2011 at 12:17 PM

but being I had broke my foot in Feb. which didn't allow me to train for 6 weeks, gained 10 pounds and still no hair re growth, leaves me frustrated. With regards to the amenorrhea which I have had for 10 years and am perplexed by this as well. Even on vivelle and prometrium.......no periods. I am certain something happened to my hypothalamus from years of overtraining and undereating. On a positive note for you, you are young. Your body will bounce back if you continue to be kind to it. My last suggestion would be to contact Robb Wolf and see if he has any input........(cont.)

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0 · August 18, 2011 at 12:13 PM

Hi Nudge, I wish I did have answers but I don't. In fact I recently posted elsewhere that I am at one year with this mysterious hair loss diffusion. I plan on adding a small amount of grain back into my diet because like you my blood work shows hormones a little low but all else is great. In addition, I know many other women with totally wacky diets and hormone profiles but no hair loss. I am with you on gaining a bunch of weight to see if my hair grows. I wouldn't hesitate if there were evidence that this would make a difference with hair growth but being ......(continuued)

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I recommend products like SPAM for healthy hair.

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2944 · June 17, 2013 at 7:16 AM

Blows my mind a bit how a cured meat product can affect hair so much but hey, whatever works for people...

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