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Gave up Fruit - Effects (bit long)?

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Created June 08, 2013 at 7:56 AM

2 weeks ago I gave up fruit / my after lunch 500 calories of hot chocolate and chocolate. Before that I worked myself to 3 regular meals a day (and I have a small baked potato at night which helps my mood/seratonin levels). This felt brilliant and always has in the past as if I do not have that regularity I end up binge eating all afternoon and evening so the discipline of the tiny "fasts" between 3 meals seems to set me straight (mentally as much as physically). For many women (and some men) this is just as much about the mind as the body.

Earlier this year I had got rid of the chocolate and replaced it with nuts and raisins (which was of course healthier) but the quantities were 500 - 1000 calories a time on top of my meals (I can always eat for England).

So 2 weeks ago all that went. I think it is the first time in my life I have not eaten fruit. I have binged eaten fruit very often. It is a trigger food for me as much as chocolate and where one person when not hungry might eat one banana I would eat 6 or I would vast amount of cherries and strawberries etc etc.

Anyway I am not eating fruit. What is interesting is that I feel as if I've been punched in the face or post viral or tired (even though I sleep 8 - 9 hours a night from about 10pm). I am hoping this will go. It seemed to go after about 5 days but is back.

(I need to lose about 28 pounds or a little more although I am more interested in eating healthily for life and having stable blood sugars and feeling happy and calm).

I do not want to try a bit of fruit in case a bit becomes a lot and soon I am back on the fructose hit bandwagon again.

I hate calculating calories and charting things and believe if I just eat clean/paleo I will feel better which has worked in the past. However chairing a rather dull course this week I spent some time typing in a typical day's food into sparkpeople tracker.

What it came up with showed 41% carbs (all the veg I like - squash, swede is high in carbs),36% protein and 32% fat. Below are the foods in case anyone is interested.

I suppose the big question for me if I want to lose the weight is can I bear to reduce the carbs. If I reduce them I get sad, unable to function, thinking about food all the time (I suspect that is more a female than a male thing as my suspicion is for 1 m years men hogged a lot of the meat and women were left grubbing for and eating a lot of roots and eating more often as they weren't out hunting and hence we differ).

I am really really pleased I am eating clean/paleo again. I could substitute the brown basmati rice/wild rice which I do not have much of anyway just a very small handful 3 times day with baked potato/sweet potato which I always eat with skin. (I hate white rice). Or I could just keep on as I am. I think I lost 2 pounds in the last 2 weeks which is better than nothing. In January I gave up my carbs for a few days and lost lots of weight quickly but felt so awful I might as well have been incarcerated.

I have set reasonable targets of 7 pounds a month (in the UK most of us work in stones - 14 pounds in a stone). I have also this week started some exercise - cycling to the gym, some hills and bikram yoga which I love but have not had time for much recently. I think that has helped with today's weight loss - as I actually got out of breath which seems to be a key for me losing weight. Get out of breath a few times a week. On both times I cycled I came back here and ate a swede before my dinner despite usually not eating between meals which I presume was my body needing to replace the lost energy.

So my question if anyone has read this far..... is - is the absence of fruit and dried fruit what is making me feel a bit headachey?

Should I take that as a sign something is wrong or stick it out? I suspect it is telling me that this is working and ought to hold on rather than start after 2 weeks introducing the foods I binge on - fruit, raisins etc.

Should I be trying to eat few carbs or swapping the brown rice to sweet or baked potato?

(Foods I eat below from earlier in the week although I will not do that again - it is just too boring. Also my basal metabolic rate given mostly lack of exercise and age (over 50 just) is so very low I'd have to eat like an anorexic to lose 2 pounds a week so will probably stick with 1500 calories a day below which is very very little for me. 2500 would be more a normal day before I started this. I have always eaten a lot, usually mostly eaten good foods - I don't drink or smoke and I am hardly ever ill - I just came off the paleo/clean eating path about 2 years ago and put on about 30 pounds in the process which does not look good).

Breakfast Calories Fat Carbohydrates Protein Bacon, pork, microwaved, 3 medium slices, cooked (raw product packed 20/lb) 130 9 0 11 Egg Yolk, 3 large 165 13 2 8 Brown Rice, long grain, 0.33 cup 71 1 15 2 Meal Totals 366 23 17 20 Lunch Calories Fat Carbohydrates Protein Butter, salted, 1 pat (1" sq, 1/3" high) 36 4 0 0 Butter, salted, 1 pat (1" sq, 1/3" high) 36 4 0 0 Spinach, fresh, 2 cup 14 0 2 2 Atlantic Salmon (fish) (.5 filet option = 198g), 0.5 fillet 219 10 0 31 Brown Rice, long grain, 0.33 cup 71 1 15 2 Butternut Squash, 500 grams 200 0 52 4 Meal Totals 576 19 69 38 Dinner Calories Fat Carbohydrates Protein Brown Rice, long grain, 0.33 cup 71 1 15 2 Swede, raw (Swedish turnip, rutabaga), 300 gram(s) 108 1 24 4 Chicken Leg, 1 unit (yield from 1 lb ready-to-cook chicken) 94 3 0 16 Chicken Leg, 1 unit (yield from 1 lb ready-to-cook chicken) 94 3 0 16 Meal Totals 367 7 39 37 Snack Calories Fat Carbohydrates Protein Baked Potato, with skin, 1 small (1-3/4" to 2-1/2" dia.) 128 0 29 3 Butter, Salted - 1 pat or 5g ggg, 1 serving 36 4 0 0 Meal Totals 164 4 29 3 Daily Totals 1,473 54 154 99 Daily Goal 1200 - 1550 27 - 60 135 - 252 60 - 136

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2944 · June 14, 2013 at 12:30 PM

done quickly and drive nutrients into muscles as you say...

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2944 · June 14, 2013 at 12:29 PM

Yeah I was actually thinking that when writing (about mixing macros being outdated), after reading this a little while ago - http://suppversity.blogspot.com.au/2013/03/true-or-false-adding-fat-to-carby-meal.html . Was thinking that fat with carbs is good in context of avoiding hyperglycaemia, especially for those predisposed to having glucose tolerance issues. However maybe there is no need for that even for people with good tolerance levels re eating carbs? Anyway I see where you're coming from re how that wouldn't really apply to someone wanting to gain muscle anyway - better to get spike

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11204 · June 13, 2013 at 2:47 PM

Well, I do eat them now, but I am trying to gain muscle. Carbs definitely make me hungrier and make it easier to gain weight in general. I think the idea of mixing macros is probably outdated. The blood sugar doesn't rise as much but I've heard of research that supposedly says insulin rises and stays for a long while. Seems, especially in context of muscles gains, to separate the fat from the carbs and get that insulin spike over with fast.

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2944 · June 12, 2013 at 3:52 PM

Fair enough. There might be a possibility you could eat them now- maybe having in context of a meal with other macros rather than alone blunts the rate of blood sugar rising/falling. Porbably no need to though if things are working well already :)

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11204 · June 10, 2013 at 2:03 PM

No. I was and likely still am metabolically damaged. Banana increases blood sugar, insulin spike drives my blood sugar low- maybe too low, or maybe it is just the steepness of the drop that causes hunger to return so quickly. In addition, if there is sweet stuff around, I tend to eat it until it is gone. So, for me, limiting this stuff was part of my success.

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2944 · June 10, 2013 at 10:47 AM

@August, maybe you needed more banana; the caloric yield of a banana isn't much compared to brisket. i.e. i'm saying maybe you ate again because you needed energy, and hadn't provided it- not neceassrily a problem with the carbs per se?

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11204 · June 08, 2013 at 9:11 PM

You might experiment with just one tablespoon of fat added to one of your meals. That is only 120 calories, and easily replaces any calories you got from the fruit. You'd still be in a calorie deficit.

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11204 · June 08, 2013 at 9:09 PM

I did not feel hungry at all. I just felt a tired, low energy type of feeling. It is fixable while on low carb- I just carried around a jar of ghee and added fat to everything I ate. Adding carbohydrates in is what gets you hungry, but if you avoid carbs, you may just vaguely wonder why you feel run down or think it is your thyroid. This is what happened to me, after I lost 113lbs. You want to lose those 28lbs, but you don't want to get in a fight with your body. If you are feeling tired, you probably won't lose the weight, and, well, you will feel tired until you do something differently.

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1169 · June 08, 2013 at 7:12 PM

I don't feel hungry so I don't think it's too few calories. I think I've hardly ever in my life been able to cut calories back very much.At the moment I am having carb, protein and veg and just eating 3 times a day (plus small potato at night). 7 pounds may be too much. My daughter's wedding is end of Sept. Everyone coming is very thin, just about everyone, groom's mother about 100 pounds etc. I just want to be back to the 126 pounds I always was since I was 14 or a bit under.

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1169 · June 08, 2013 at 7:09 PM

That is very wise. It seems strange that I don't feel a lot better (rather than worse). (I don't eat high percentage chocolate sadly - I had an addiction to it - it gives me a high like amphetamines. I started buying it in big chunks and then I had a routine of melting it under a desk lamp on my desk and dipping fruit into it - it could keep me up almost all night. I had to have more and more of it. It have amazingly addictive genes and yet I hate alcohol and have never smoked or taken drugs or even the contraceptive pills and virtually never even headache pills - it is all just sugar, fruit

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11204 · June 08, 2013 at 12:42 PM

Well, it could be low-carb flu, but it also could be the calorie restriction in general. 7lbs a month is a lot to aim for. 4lbs per month would give you a little room to eat a little more.

You should be able to tell how much carbohydrates matter to you; when you eat them, how quickly to you find yourself eating again? I found if I ate a banana I'd be eating again in two hours, but if I ate brisket at the same time of day, I could go hours without thinking about food.

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1169 · June 08, 2013 at 7:12 PM

I don't feel hungry so I don't think it's too few calories. I think I've hardly ever in my life been able to cut calories back very much.At the moment I am having carb, protein and veg and just eating 3 times a day (plus small potato at night). 7 pounds may be too much. My daughter's wedding is end of Sept. Everyone coming is very thin, just about everyone, groom's mother about 100 pounds etc. I just want to be back to the 126 pounds I always was since I was 14 or a bit under.

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11204 · June 08, 2013 at 9:11 PM

You might experiment with just one tablespoon of fat added to one of your meals. That is only 120 calories, and easily replaces any calories you got from the fruit. You'd still be in a calorie deficit.

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2944 · June 12, 2013 at 3:52 PM

Fair enough. There might be a possibility you could eat them now- maybe having in context of a meal with other macros rather than alone blunts the rate of blood sugar rising/falling. Porbably no need to though if things are working well already :)

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11204 · June 10, 2013 at 2:03 PM

No. I was and likely still am metabolically damaged. Banana increases blood sugar, insulin spike drives my blood sugar low- maybe too low, or maybe it is just the steepness of the drop that causes hunger to return so quickly. In addition, if there is sweet stuff around, I tend to eat it until it is gone. So, for me, limiting this stuff was part of my success.

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2944 · June 14, 2013 at 12:30 PM

done quickly and drive nutrients into muscles as you say...

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11204 · June 08, 2013 at 9:09 PM

I did not feel hungry at all. I just felt a tired, low energy type of feeling. It is fixable while on low carb- I just carried around a jar of ghee and added fat to everything I ate. Adding carbohydrates in is what gets you hungry, but if you avoid carbs, you may just vaguely wonder why you feel run down or think it is your thyroid. This is what happened to me, after I lost 113lbs. You want to lose those 28lbs, but you don't want to get in a fight with your body. If you are feeling tired, you probably won't lose the weight, and, well, you will feel tired until you do something differently.

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2944 · June 10, 2013 at 10:47 AM

@August, maybe you needed more banana; the caloric yield of a banana isn't much compared to brisket. i.e. i'm saying maybe you ate again because you needed energy, and hadn't provided it- not neceassrily a problem with the carbs per se?

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2944 · June 14, 2013 at 12:29 PM

Yeah I was actually thinking that when writing (about mixing macros being outdated), after reading this a little while ago - http://suppversity.blogspot.com.au/2013/03/true-or-false-adding-fat-to-carby-meal.html . Was thinking that fat with carbs is good in context of avoiding hyperglycaemia, especially for those predisposed to having glucose tolerance issues. However maybe there is no need for that even for people with good tolerance levels re eating carbs? Anyway I see where you're coming from re how that wouldn't really apply to someone wanting to gain muscle anyway - better to get spike

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11204 · June 13, 2013 at 2:47 PM

Well, I do eat them now, but I am trying to gain muscle. Carbs definitely make me hungrier and make it easier to gain weight in general. I think the idea of mixing macros is probably outdated. The blood sugar doesn't rise as much but I've heard of research that supposedly says insulin rises and stays for a long while. Seems, especially in context of muscles gains, to separate the fat from the carbs and get that insulin spike over with fast.

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248 · June 08, 2013 at 9:30 AM

Maybe it's a bit like when someone stops drinking coffee - you might just be having withdrawls. I also had t cut out fruit completely (I know the 6 bananas in one sitting thing - or 250 g of raisins...) though I am able to stop at just one piece of HOMEMADE dark chocolate. (The flavor is deep and rich, and it's pricey to make - this might help me stop, too.)

I would just stick to it for a while longer - doesn't it take something like 21-36 days (depending on who says it) to create/break/change a habit?

Best of luck!

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1169 · June 08, 2013 at 7:09 PM

That is very wise. It seems strange that I don't feel a lot better (rather than worse). (I don't eat high percentage chocolate sadly - I had an addiction to it - it gives me a high like amphetamines. I started buying it in big chunks and then I had a routine of melting it under a desk lamp on my desk and dipping fruit into it - it could keep me up almost all night. I had to have more and more of it. It have amazingly addictive genes and yet I hate alcohol and have never smoked or taken drugs or even the contraceptive pills and virtually never even headache pills - it is all just sugar, fruit

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1169 · June 10, 2013 at 10:25 AM

I kept waking up and felt hot at one point as I do in the rare occasions when I am fighting a germ and my body is trying to boil the germs to death so may be I just have a cold I was fighting and it feels a bit better today.

I am going to continue to cut out all fruit and chocolate and nuts and I might try to cut back the brown rice and potato a little bit in case that helps with weight loss.

Bikram yoga was so much harder yesterday and 2 years ago purely because of the fat on from front getting in the way.

However there is nothing as important to me as eating well and even if I never lost a pound eating this way (paleo with some brown carb or clean or whatever we want to call it) always makes me feel so much better. My mind seems faster too in the 2+ weeks since I gave up chocolate.

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