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Low Testosterone Questions

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Created May 18, 2013 at 6:39 PM

I recently had my blood tested as I've felt pretty bad( I've had no libido, have felt depressed, had low energy, and over-training symptoms such as insomnia) for a while, and I just got the results back.

Apparently, my thyroid is good, but my free testosterone was, in my doc's words "exorbitantly low"

As I'm 17 years old, male, and pretty underweight, this is a BIG problem for me!

I think I know why I have low levels, I experimented with reducing calories and was eating WAY high protein, low fat and low carb for a while, while working out 6x a week doing long, high volume and HIIT workouts. I then kept low carb and tried upping my fat intake to at least 40-50% of my daily cals, but kept high protein(I was eating more calories to do this)

However, the calories were still too low, as I was losing weight, about half a pound a week, and feeling awfull all the while. SO, for the past 3 weeks, I've noticed that my body composition has gotten steadily worse, and I've had worse athletic performance in my workouts.

My questions are A: should I increase my calories, and will that start to lower the body fat I've started to accumulate(worsening body composition, but staying the same weight)

and B: How can I increase my T levels naturally, or at least help to repair the damage done to them? Also, is it even possible with low Testosterone to follow a cyclic diet of lower to higher carbs on workout days, and still see results? Is it hopeless for me to try with these levels?

Thanks, any help would be appreciated

EDITS: Okay, so I just read this post on robb wolf's website- http://robbwolf.com/2011/01/24/my-training-at-39/

I have definitely seriously screwed my testosterone over, and as I said, I really was focusing on body composition goals.. without T though, I realize it's virtually impossible to achieve them. Do any of you recomend I try the sort of protocol Robb did, in order to help repair my body/endocrine system?

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88 · May 21, 2013 at 12:42 PM

Thanks, I got it now!

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14877 · May 21, 2013 at 2:07 AM

yeah sorry...I just don't like keeping my email address up for too long. It's nrockhoffman @ gmail.com.

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3979 · May 20, 2013 at 4:14 AM

Got any studies or testimonies to back that up?

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88 · May 19, 2013 at 2:59 PM

What about Fish oil? I've read it somehow decreases testosterone, but I'm pretty sure that was all BS... should I keep taking fish oil? I usually have a teaspoon of carlson's every morning with breakfast

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12677 · May 19, 2013 at 9:15 AM

Fats are absolutely not precursors to all hormones.

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2097 · May 19, 2013 at 4:11 AM

http://paleohacks.com/questions/22373/adrenal-fatigue-with-low-cortisol-low-testosterone-high-estrogen-labwork#axzz2ThxoA4lZ

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14877 · May 19, 2013 at 1:41 AM

I gotta jet but have a good night and best of luck. your T levels will return to normal once you get your eating/exercise/recovery in place and your body (muscle) weight has increased. Keep your chin up.

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14877 · May 19, 2013 at 1:39 AM

I've never combined p90x with insanity and never only did insanity workouts (usually just used them for plyo days 1-2x/week). If you feel flat and soft after increasing your calories/carbs for 3 weeks,then I would reassess the routine choice. But for now give it a go. Get back to me if it doesn't work out the way you want and I'll try to give you a good idea of what I would do if I were in your situation.

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14877 · May 19, 2013 at 1:37 AM

Yeah I think that's a good choice, though if you really need to gain muscle mass you're going to have to eat a lot. I cycle my carbs the way you're describing, and use sweet potatoes and brown rice for higher carb/reefed days. My other days are mostly just meat/fish/eggs and greens. That strategy has worked extremely well for me, so provided the right training stimulus it may work well for you too. P90x + instanity is all pretty intense. Your program wouldn't be my first choice and I think it's going to leave you metabolically/hormonally exhausted, but that's just my opinion

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88 · May 19, 2013 at 1:33 AM

Okay, well, what exactly do you mean by that? Assuming I workout 5x a week, one of the days being merely a yoga day, and 1 being one of the insanity workouts(I've seen in your posts that you've done the program) the rest are all P90x2 workouts, and I don't know if you've ever done a program similar to that.. I guess what I'm wondering is if you think it's okay for me to eat a lot of calories on my resistence days(3x a week) increasing through carbs primarily, and then lower carb/calorie the rest of the days of the week, 2 of which I am pretty sedentary or just walk a bit on anyway. ?

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14877 · May 19, 2013 at 1:32 AM

It's fine dude I empathize with you and the primary reason I joined this site was to help people avoid the mistakes I've made and help them to be the strongest version of themselves. Effectively, I've turned many of my posts into that blog that I never got around to starting.

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88 · May 19, 2013 at 1:27 AM

No, I guess not.. No one has really told me I show signs of acting how I did while I had the ED, so I hadn't thought about it.... Thanks for your insight at least. And thanks for your email address, it is amazing that you are so willing to help a complete stranger on the internet

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14877 · May 19, 2013 at 1:26 AM

more detailed advice. For now I would suggest that you strike a balance between active recovery and workout days. YOu can't be catabolic all the time. Catabolism (intense workouts) means cortisol, reduced T, and an overall softer physique if not balanced with Anabolism (recovery), which means eleveated T, reduced cortisol, and a hard and commanding physique. I train on an eight day split, and alternate strength training with active recovery, so really it's 50/50. I would suggest also to look at some of my posts on bodybuilding foods and methods. I eat the same now as I did during recovery.

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14877 · May 19, 2013 at 1:23 AM

No worries. But what you're saying then is you think it's just coincidence that you "used to" have an ED and I guessed that you do based upon the limited by telling information you gave above? Think about how unlikely how wild of coincidence that would be. The fact is you never fully recovered, because as of now you seem to be in the midst of a relapse. That's not a bad thing. It took me 3 long hospitalizations (and thus at least 2 full on relapses) before I figured it out. If you want to email or facebook me you can, my email is

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88 · May 19, 2013 at 1:12 AM

BTW, that wasn't meant to be rude, I'm sorry if it came across that way.

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88 · May 19, 2013 at 1:10 AM

I am aware that you at one point did... And just so you know, I had an eating disorder over 2 years ago, and recovered from it. I just happen to really enjoy working out, pushing myself to see how far I can go. However, I've wanted ever since that time to get strong, lean, and undeniably phsyically healthy, to look so that no one in a room would ever think "he once had anorexia"..... So my overall goal has been to gain weight, and get stronger, but before that I wanted to lose belly fat which I accumulated on my stomach area. I'm sorry if you think I sound "unhealthy" psychologically

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3979 · May 18, 2013 at 8:10 PM

I'm willing to bet that you need more carbs, especially as a growing 17-year-old.

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139 · May 19, 2013 at 3:10 AM

Eat adequate (just enough for the day) protein and get the rest of your calories from healthy fats like coconut oils, macadamia oil and nuts, Extra Virgin Olive Oil and Avocado oil. High protein diet have been proven to lower free testosterone levels. Cut your protein intake to about 80-100 grams a day. You really don't need that much. You just think you do. Start eating some fruit, of all kinds. Get those carbs in. Carbs from fruit, veggies and even some tubers are not bad like grain, legume and dairy carbs are. Eat a more well rounded diet. Plenty of fruits, veggies, grassfed meats, wild caught fish, low omega 6 nuts like macadamias, omega 3 eggs. I've covered the dietary aspect of your problem. No onto the lifestyle habits. First off, you are working out WAY too much. 6 times a week? Really? You do not NEED to work out that much at that level of intensity without proper recovery. It's simply too much. Take it down a notch, or two, or three. Do high intensity training only 2 times week. The rest is low intensity like walking, climbing, cycling, swimming. Remember working out vigorously leads to hormonal imbalances, mineral imbalances and makes you release too much cortisol, the stress hormone. Sleep more, chill out with your friends and take life more easily. Take it from me, I used to overtrain too and felt that exact same way you are describin. Night sweats, low libido, no motivation or zest for life, grumpy and moody, felt weaker, could not lower bodyfat even though I was working out like crazy. These are all the signs, listen to your body. I ended up getting a inaugal hernia from lifting weights too frequently, with out proper form and recovery time. Plenty of healthy fats, proteins and fruit, veggies tubers. Godd luck, hope I helped.

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88 · May 19, 2013 at 2:59 PM

What about Fish oil? I've read it somehow decreases testosterone, but I'm pretty sure that was all BS... should I keep taking fish oil? I usually have a teaspoon of carlson's every morning with breakfast

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10 · May 19, 2013 at 6:47 AM

Hi guy,

When I was your age I trained as you did and felt the same way. Remember that the "more you train more you improve" philosophy is wrong: you need rest to recover and rebuild. When you train you destroy your body; if you don't let it recover it makes no sense. Google "overtraining". Eat as you feel. All the fat you eat will not come around your belly: it is a component of your cells, of your muscles... And cholesterol is a precursor for testosterone.

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0 · June 07, 2014 at 12:33 PM

Question B:

Oh boy, in your age, your testosterone level should be indeed up in the sky!

As others have mentioned already, try to balance your workout more. Dr. John Gray MD, relationship expert talks and writes a lot about hormones.

One basic thing about testosterone is that men need to REST their muscles, in order to recover the T-level. Check out his site, lots of great info: http://www.marsvenus.com

Good luck, enjoy life, and BIG CONGRATS for giving priority to your healthy body!!! (In the era when many of your fellas prefer sitting by the computer day in and day out...)

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0 · October 15, 2013 at 12:55 PM

losing testosterone is natural. When you step into 40`s your testosterone level become low and day by day it becoming low till when you feel illness or weakness. So it is not a big problem experts are not much aggressive about the therapies of low testosterone. My Uncle has been also faced this problem last year but thanks GOD he is now good and recover from low testosterone problems. The doctor prescribed him to use some natural medicines or supplements in-order to boost the testosterone by making the estrogen much stronger. So he bought a supplement from http://www.xtgenixrevues.com/ and start using it. I m not saying that you should also try this one because he start using this supplements on experts advice. So if you want to recover from low testosterone problems please consult with a doctor and use the prescription. Thanks

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120 · May 19, 2013 at 2:31 PM

Take a shot of olive oil every day. Also look into NAC and Selenium to prevent toxicity, which will reduce testosterone.

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3979 · May 20, 2013 at 4:14 AM

Got any studies or testimonies to back that up?

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0 · May 19, 2013 at 3:11 AM

He needs more fats (especially Omega3) , not necessarily carbs. Fats are precursors to all hormones.

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12677 · May 19, 2013 at 9:15 AM

Fats are absolutely not precursors to all hormones.

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14877 · May 19, 2013 at 12:51 AM

I'm not qualified to make a diagnosis, but you sound a lot like someone who has an eating disorder.

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14877 · May 19, 2013 at 1:32 AM

It's fine dude I empathize with you and the primary reason I joined this site was to help people avoid the mistakes I've made and help them to be the strongest version of themselves. Effectively, I've turned many of my posts into that blog that I never got around to starting.

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14877 · May 19, 2013 at 1:23 AM

No worries. But what you're saying then is you think it's just coincidence that you "used to" have an ED and I guessed that you do based upon the limited by telling information you gave above? Think about how unlikely how wild of coincidence that would be. The fact is you never fully recovered, because as of now you seem to be in the midst of a relapse. That's not a bad thing. It took me 3 long hospitalizations (and thus at least 2 full on relapses) before I figured it out. If you want to email or facebook me you can, my email is

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88 · May 19, 2013 at 1:12 AM

BTW, that wasn't meant to be rude, I'm sorry if it came across that way.

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14877 · May 19, 2013 at 1:39 AM

I've never combined p90x with insanity and never only did insanity workouts (usually just used them for plyo days 1-2x/week). If you feel flat and soft after increasing your calories/carbs for 3 weeks,then I would reassess the routine choice. But for now give it a go. Get back to me if it doesn't work out the way you want and I'll try to give you a good idea of what I would do if I were in your situation.

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88 · May 19, 2013 at 1:10 AM

I am aware that you at one point did... And just so you know, I had an eating disorder over 2 years ago, and recovered from it. I just happen to really enjoy working out, pushing myself to see how far I can go. However, I've wanted ever since that time to get strong, lean, and undeniably phsyically healthy, to look so that no one in a room would ever think "he once had anorexia"..... So my overall goal has been to gain weight, and get stronger, but before that I wanted to lose belly fat which I accumulated on my stomach area. I'm sorry if you think I sound "unhealthy" psychologically

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88 · May 19, 2013 at 1:27 AM

No, I guess not.. No one has really told me I show signs of acting how I did while I had the ED, so I hadn't thought about it.... Thanks for your insight at least. And thanks for your email address, it is amazing that you are so willing to help a complete stranger on the internet

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14877 · May 19, 2013 at 1:37 AM

Yeah I think that's a good choice, though if you really need to gain muscle mass you're going to have to eat a lot. I cycle my carbs the way you're describing, and use sweet potatoes and brown rice for higher carb/reefed days. My other days are mostly just meat/fish/eggs and greens. That strategy has worked extremely well for me, so provided the right training stimulus it may work well for you too. P90x + instanity is all pretty intense. Your program wouldn't be my first choice and I think it's going to leave you metabolically/hormonally exhausted, but that's just my opinion

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14877 · May 19, 2013 at 1:26 AM

more detailed advice. For now I would suggest that you strike a balance between active recovery and workout days. YOu can't be catabolic all the time. Catabolism (intense workouts) means cortisol, reduced T, and an overall softer physique if not balanced with Anabolism (recovery), which means eleveated T, reduced cortisol, and a hard and commanding physique. I train on an eight day split, and alternate strength training with active recovery, so really it's 50/50. I would suggest also to look at some of my posts on bodybuilding foods and methods. I eat the same now as I did during recovery.

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14877 · May 19, 2013 at 1:41 AM

I gotta jet but have a good night and best of luck. your T levels will return to normal once you get your eating/exercise/recovery in place and your body (muscle) weight has increased. Keep your chin up.

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88 · May 19, 2013 at 1:33 AM

Okay, well, what exactly do you mean by that? Assuming I workout 5x a week, one of the days being merely a yoga day, and 1 being one of the insanity workouts(I've seen in your posts that you've done the program) the rest are all P90x2 workouts, and I don't know if you've ever done a program similar to that.. I guess what I'm wondering is if you think it's okay for me to eat a lot of calories on my resistence days(3x a week) increasing through carbs primarily, and then lower carb/calorie the rest of the days of the week, 2 of which I am pretty sedentary or just walk a bit on anyway. ?

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