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Need help with Insulin Resistance as a result of my Low Carb/VLC diet. Anything current?

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Created June 18, 2012 at 11:36 PM

I know there are other threads on this topic and I have read a lot of them. I just wonder if there is anything more current than this article from 2007 to help me understand this. Perhaps its still current and valid. http://high-fat-nutrition.blogspot.com/search/label/Physiological%20insulin%20resistance%20%281%29

Im unclear what to do exactly to reverse this, or do I even need to if its not "pathological".

Summary: I am 5-8 pounds over-fat. 10-15 years of labs have all been good/very good for fasting Bg and insulin, until this recent one (the only one when I was low carb/vlc).

My insulin was high at 9.00 on last fasting blood draw. Bg was 98

I have been eating high protein, high healthy fat, low carb or vlc. My current labs showed "pre-diabetes"

I got an at home glucometer. My Bg never goes too high but it doesn't recover either. Its stays around 100-111 after peaking at 123 or so. Oddly too is that every test is higher at 2 hours and even three than at one hour.

Can somebody recommend one or two good resources for this issue. The frustration I'm having is that everything I read about insulin resistance says to "lower carb intake". That is what caused this issue it seems.

Thank you.

Edited to add: My A1C was not tested this time (arggg) although it was not optimal at all a year ago when it was tested and when my Fbg and insulin were way lower. A1C was 5.7 then. Thanks

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1489 · June 21, 2012 at 9:43 AM

but at the end of the day it all comes down to challenging your body to become more efficient? whether that be at dealing with insulin or allergies?

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53 · June 19, 2012 at 9:15 PM

Right, I don't think the allergy analogy would be the same. Your immune system is whole 'nother can o worms. Although, for less life threatening allergies than peanut and shellfish, people do take allergy injections(composed of small amounts of offending allergens) in an attempt to desensitize their immune systems to said allergens.....

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14877 · June 19, 2012 at 9:13 PM

Try sweet potato, and the Japanese variety especially if you can find em. That's my go-to starch.

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1299 · June 19, 2012 at 5:36 PM

Ah, yep. I was thinking about some of the newer ones too, grabbed the wrong link from my history. Thanks JayJay.

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4413 · June 19, 2012 at 3:06 PM

well Im not sure the allergy analogy fits here. Truth is that Im doing a lot of at home bg testing now and my numbers are lower when I eating about equal grams protein as carbs. The fast is about the same.

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1489 · June 19, 2012 at 2:00 PM

Sorry, I should've explained better. Then wouldn't that mean that we could eat things like dairy, because even if you may be lactose intolerant, there are beneficial components to dairy, and perhaps having a little bit and building it up over time would reduce your lactose-intolerance symptoms and you could then consume it and benefit. Like people with deranged insulin regulating systems should still eat carbs even if it's slightly hurting them, because it'll make them more efficient in the future?

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1489 · June 19, 2012 at 1:58 PM

If that was the case, then shouldn't we eat things our bodies are allergic to, to help them dealing with the allergy and build up resistance to it? Like they give someone with peanut allergies 1/4 then 1/2 then a whole one until they can tolerate it.

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4413 · June 19, 2012 at 2:48 AM

Ok Thank you JayJay for clarifying that!

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18635 · June 19, 2012 at 2:32 AM

See the link has been given...but yeah, look in his archive to the right and there are several posts on physiological insulin resistance. Looks like 7 or 8 of them newer than the 2007 one.

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4413 · June 19, 2012 at 2:30 AM

Thanks so so much.

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4413 · June 19, 2012 at 2:29 AM

TAhnks! Any suggestions for "best starches? Im thinking yam, sweet potato, banana, berries, apple, red potato, squash, peas, corn (organic non-gmo of course). Thanks

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4413 · June 19, 2012 at 2:20 AM

Fyi - your link is the same article from 2007 I posted above. Anything new or different or.... ??

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4413 · June 19, 2012 at 2:17 AM

Thanks. And that's OK, I don't need references.. it makes common sense.

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4413 · June 19, 2012 at 2:13 AM

Ok Thank you. Getting my A1C tested will also be useful.

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14877 · June 19, 2012 at 1:21 AM

BTW I got that supplement you recommend. Thanks again for your help and the recommendation!

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4413 · June 19, 2012 at 12:40 AM

Its weird isn't it! Low Glycemic carbs do take longer to peak and clear but what concerns me is that I have not been able to lose weight. I only have a bit to lose but its shocking that I haven't lost compared to how I have always lost weight. I had gained 15 pounds from low thyroid and carb bingeing but that was over a year ago. Thyroid is great. Went low carb. lost half the 15 and now "stuck". Its just weird for me. Only thing that makes sense is the insulin resistance. Also, the A1C number will be useful. If its lower than 5.4 than Im told not to worry about my Bg readings. So confusing.

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3521 · June 19, 2012 at 12:20 AM

Good question. My BS was pretty good back when I followed a high carb, pyramid style diet. But since I started eating a high fat diet, my fasting blood sugar has worsened, and like you, it seems to stay stuck at one number after 2-3 hours. I don't know if I should worry or not, it never really spikes above 130, but just the fact that it won't clear out worries me a bit.

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53 · June 19, 2012 at 2:13 AM

Increase your carbohydrate (ie,acceptable starches) intake. By avoiding carbohydrates you are decreasing your insulin sensitivity by not giving your body a chance to adapt and process this macronutrient. Think: Would you become a more efficient runner if you avoided running altogether? Since you are not taking in carbohydrate substrate, your body is going to keep your circulating BS higher and increase your body's resistance to insulin to thus keep your BS higher(as opposed to shuttling BS into cells). A higher BS in a LC/VLC individual needs to be interpreted differently than in a person on a SAD diet. With that being said, just because our bodies CAN function with very little/no carbohydrate doesn't mean it is ideal.

This is general biochem/physiology. Sorry, I have no references

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53 · June 19, 2012 at 9:15 PM

Right, I don't think the allergy analogy would be the same. Your immune system is whole 'nother can o worms. Although, for less life threatening allergies than peanut and shellfish, people do take allergy injections(composed of small amounts of offending allergens) in an attempt to desensitize their immune systems to said allergens.....

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4413 · June 19, 2012 at 3:06 PM

well Im not sure the allergy analogy fits here. Truth is that Im doing a lot of at home bg testing now and my numbers are lower when I eating about equal grams protein as carbs. The fast is about the same.

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1489 · June 19, 2012 at 2:00 PM

Sorry, I should've explained better. Then wouldn't that mean that we could eat things like dairy, because even if you may be lactose intolerant, there are beneficial components to dairy, and perhaps having a little bit and building it up over time would reduce your lactose-intolerance symptoms and you could then consume it and benefit. Like people with deranged insulin regulating systems should still eat carbs even if it's slightly hurting them, because it'll make them more efficient in the future?

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4413 · June 19, 2012 at 2:17 AM

Thanks. And that's OK, I don't need references.. it makes common sense.

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1489 · June 19, 2012 at 1:58 PM

If that was the case, then shouldn't we eat things our bodies are allergic to, to help them dealing with the allergy and build up resistance to it? Like they give someone with peanut allergies 1/4 then 1/2 then a whole one until they can tolerate it.

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1489 · June 21, 2012 at 9:43 AM

but at the end of the day it all comes down to challenging your body to become more efficient? whether that be at dealing with insulin or allergies?

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4266 · June 19, 2012 at 2:26 AM

This is a temporary thing. Not a huge problem. Either eat more starches before you get blood tests or else eat more starches all the time. Doesn't take much.

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4413 · June 19, 2012 at 2:29 AM

TAhnks! Any suggestions for "best starches? Im thinking yam, sweet potato, banana, berries, apple, red potato, squash, peas, corn (organic non-gmo of course). Thanks

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14877 · June 19, 2012 at 9:13 PM

Try sweet potato, and the Japanese variety especially if you can find em. That's my go-to starch.

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1299 · June 19, 2012 at 2:05 AM

Insulin resistance is a normal consquence of eating VLC and is probably not much of a concern.

It's only an issue if, after reintroducing carbs (slowly, giving your body a few days to adapt), you remain insulin resistant.

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4413 · June 19, 2012 at 2:20 AM

Fyi - your link is the same article from 2007 I posted above. Anything new or different or.... ??

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4413 · June 19, 2012 at 2:13 AM

Ok Thank you. Getting my A1C tested will also be useful.

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1299 · June 19, 2012 at 5:36 PM

Ah, yep. I was thinking about some of the newer ones too, grabbed the wrong link from my history. Thanks JayJay.

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4413 · June 19, 2012 at 2:48 AM

Ok Thank you JayJay for clarifying that!

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18635 · June 19, 2012 at 2:32 AM

See the link has been given...but yeah, look in his archive to the right and there are several posts on physiological insulin resistance. Looks like 7 or 8 of them newer than the 2007 one.

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18635 · June 19, 2012 at 2:28 AM

Lots of good info on physiological insulin resistance with keto adaptation, which is quite normal is found here http://high-fat-nutrition.blogspot.com/2009/09/physiological-insulin-resistance-and.html

Thats just one of several posts... lots of links to the actual journal articles too. Enjoy!

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4413 · June 19, 2012 at 2:30 AM

Thanks so so much.

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0 · November 18, 2013 at 11:07 PM

High protein can be an issue. Excess protein will be converted to glucose via gluconeogenesis. Protein should be adequate not high. There are a few formulas you can Google. Protein requirements are different for athletes versus more sedentary folks. Ideally you should get a DEXA scan and calculate 0.6 to 1.0 grams of protein per pound of lean body mass according Dr. Stephen Phinney

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14877 · June 19, 2012 at 1:18 AM

By no means an "expert", I would start doing a combination of weight lifting (30-45 mins, 4-6x per week) and high intensity cardio (20-30 mins, 2-4 days/week). I would consume glucose post workout and carbohydrate pre workout as well if you need the energy. the idea is to go to bed having used up all of your carbs for the day, not to not use any carbs for the day, which apparently so many sheep here think is optimal.

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14877 · June 19, 2012 at 1:21 AM

BTW I got that supplement you recommend. Thanks again for your help and the recommendation!

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