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Do you count vegetable protein (from veggies not powders) as part of your daily intake?

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Created August 27, 2011 at 2:22 AM

I'm tinkering with lowering my protein intake and raising carbs via more LC veggies but I'm unclear if it's reasonable or expected that I include the protein intake from my veggies in my total protein count. For most people it's probably not an issue but if my ideal intake is 50-60g protein/day and I'm taking in 20g or so from veggies that makes a big difference in how much animal protein I can or should take in. What about nuts? Anyone know what people like Rosedale and Gedgaudus say about this (or anyone else who suggests a lower protein intake?) I really don't want to have to get into analyzing the quality of the protein in each veggie in order to decide if it counts. Most veggie protein is incomplete protein and while I know that concept is outdated it seems like I still should be considering the quality of the protein I'm ingesting at such low levels (cause I really want to be able to eat some meat each day if I can.)

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24271 · August 27, 2011 at 11:54 PM

I bag of frozen broccoli has 13g. 3 cups of kale is 7g. , 1 cup spinach has 5g etc. (I eat broccoli and spinach every day) The rest aren't large amounts but they add up. I used to get maybe 10-15g a day from veggies but since lowering protein and upping carbs via more LC veggies I seem to be getting 15-25g protein from veggies. I tend to think it is lesser quality and yes it's incomplete but I don't think that's much of an issues as long as I am eating some complete protein...but I'm not sure.

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20353 · August 27, 2011 at 7:14 PM

For sure! Keep us posted. Best Wishes

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24271 · August 27, 2011 at 3:09 PM

Did not know that about MovNat. Sounds good!

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24271 · August 27, 2011 at 3:08 PM

Thanks Eric. This level has seemed pretty perfect for me for a long time but I am curious about these "lower protein" theories and thought it might be worth trying out. I think I may just try 50g from animal and then whatever else I get from other sources I get. I'll see if I notice anything at this level and then will adjust based on that. I'm not really lifting right now as I'm still rehabing my back so I figure now's a good time to try this out.

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24271 · August 27, 2011 at 3:06 PM

sage, I actually have a few goals. Not a really popular answer around here but I would like to consume a little less animal flesh both for financial reasons and animal welfare concerns. I would also like to eat more veggies and want to see if I can do that (increase carbs) if I cut down on protein just a bit. And of course the never-ending search for the perfect macro combination that will let me get rid of my last bit of fat. So just another experiment I want to run to see how my body responds.

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24271 · August 27, 2011 at 3:01 PM

Yes I'm a fitday-er and it does add it all together but since veggie protein is somewhat "lesser quality" in that it's not complete protein and perhaps isn't as easily assimilated I was concerned as to whether it would "count" according to the "eat less protein" people. And why am I putting "everything" in "quotes" this morning??? I must need more protein, lol.

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10255 · August 27, 2011 at 2:01 PM

what results are you expecting from going lower protein? i look forward to reading more if you are willing to share.

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5477 · August 27, 2011 at 4:45 AM

Yeah, 50% is alot. I'd say my decrease is more like an overall 25% from the giant salad meals. However, I also think it could work. You know Erwan Le Corre provides 100% vegetarian meals for all lunches during 5/7 day MovNats and it seems to work fine for folks who have very strenuous energy expenditure there. Eating enough and maybe getting enough fat in that meal might both be key - fat via nuts, for instance or some cheese if you eat it.

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24271 · August 27, 2011 at 4:30 AM

Thanks guys! I normally do eat a lot of salad and dump a can of sardines or canned salmon or some chicken breast on top at lunch. Then at dinner I have a slightly larger portion of protein with two veggies usually. I think I may skip the lunch protein and see if I can get buy without it. I don't normally try for a certain protein intake. It just comes out to around 80-100g most days. Cutting down to 50 is pretty severe for me or it seems so anyway.

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24271 · August 27, 2011 at 4:26 AM

The latter is too unfortunately. Well you can ferment it and all of that but it's still a bit too carby for someone like me (although I did buy some recently and plan to play around with it one day.)

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18701 · August 27, 2011 at 3:22 AM

What she said....

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3631 · August 27, 2011 at 2:39 AM

vegetable protein is totally protein! it was my only protein source for a looong time!

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5477 · August 27, 2011 at 3:07 AM

I would say no because you've specified the source as LC veggies. From nuts, yes, because you can get an appreciable amount of protein from some nuts. Seed sources like Tahini are quite high in protein but also astronomical in O6, so I'm doubting you are considering that.

I'd say that with your your plan being upping LC veggies, you can just forge ahead and only count nut protein. I would actually think that given what you are going to do, your protein would change little to none. (I know you count calories, so am factoring that in.)

I often eat GIANT salads for a meal and yes, my protein for that meal goes down because I can only hold so much in my stomach, frankly, so I might have 1/2 as much protein from meat/fish/fowl in my salad as I would on a cooked dinner plate with veggies because I get very full and there is enough protein/fat in the salad to "anchor" me re: hours of satiety.

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24271 · August 27, 2011 at 4:30 AM

Thanks guys! I normally do eat a lot of salad and dump a can of sardines or canned salmon or some chicken breast on top at lunch. Then at dinner I have a slightly larger portion of protein with two veggies usually. I think I may skip the lunch protein and see if I can get buy without it. I don't normally try for a certain protein intake. It just comes out to around 80-100g most days. Cutting down to 50 is pretty severe for me or it seems so anyway.

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5477 · August 27, 2011 at 4:45 AM

Yeah, 50% is alot. I'd say my decrease is more like an overall 25% from the giant salad meals. However, I also think it could work. You know Erwan Le Corre provides 100% vegetarian meals for all lunches during 5/7 day MovNats and it seems to work fine for folks who have very strenuous energy expenditure there. Eating enough and maybe getting enough fat in that meal might both be key - fat via nuts, for instance or some cheese if you eat it.

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18701 · August 27, 2011 at 3:22 AM

What she said....

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24271 · August 27, 2011 at 3:09 PM

Did not know that about MovNat. Sounds good!

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18671 · August 27, 2011 at 9:05 PM

I'm curious what vegetables you are eating to get so much plant protein. That seems like a lot from LC sources. I'm very leery of plant protein because that seems to be a common source of defense toxins, and aside from the completeness issue, I have the idea they aren't very healthy protein sources. There's this study for example, that associates bone density positively with animal protein and negatively with plant protein.

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24271 · August 27, 2011 at 11:54 PM

I bag of frozen broccoli has 13g. 3 cups of kale is 7g. , 1 cup spinach has 5g etc. (I eat broccoli and spinach every day) The rest aren't large amounts but they add up. I used to get maybe 10-15g a day from veggies but since lowering protein and upping carbs via more LC veggies I seem to be getting 15-25g protein from veggies. I tend to think it is lesser quality and yes it's incomplete but I don't think that's much of an issues as long as I am eating some complete protein...but I'm not sure.

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18701 · August 27, 2011 at 3:02 AM

I would probably not count protein for veggies. I don't have a good reason for this. Just what I would do.

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8757 · August 27, 2011 at 2:19 PM

I believe if you are using fitday.com this will automatically include the foods protein, fat and carb content and count them in your daily intakes. I've been doing it this way since I started....didn't realize you wouldn't consider the foods full values. I guess that doesn't make sense to me removing values, same thing as people who discount carbs because of fiber content.

I'm super curious now about this, why would you discount the values from whole foods? Isn't it better to consider food on the whole and count it as it is actually??? Doesn't this allow you to 'tinker' with things to see the number in a different light?? (ie: creative accounting?)

I guess this is a new question!!

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24271 · August 27, 2011 at 3:01 PM

Yes I'm a fitday-er and it does add it all together but since veggie protein is somewhat "lesser quality" in that it's not complete protein and perhaps isn't as easily assimilated I was concerned as to whether it would "count" according to the "eat less protein" people. And why am I putting "everything" in "quotes" this morning??? I must need more protein, lol.

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20353 · August 27, 2011 at 6:15 AM

80-100mg sounds perfect for you. I would for sure stay above 70g from meat, eggs or dairy.

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24271 · August 27, 2011 at 3:08 PM

Thanks Eric. This level has seemed pretty perfect for me for a long time but I am curious about these "lower protein" theories and thought it might be worth trying out. I think I may just try 50g from animal and then whatever else I get from other sources I get. I'll see if I notice anything at this level and then will adjust based on that. I'm not really lifting right now as I'm still rehabing my back so I figure now's a good time to try this out.

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20353 · August 27, 2011 at 7:14 PM

For sure! Keep us posted. Best Wishes

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1523 · August 27, 2011 at 3:04 AM

Hemp and Buckwheat are complete - The former is controversial one this site because of it's PUFA content.

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