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Is Lyle McDonald worth reading?

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Created January 23, 2012 at 11:12 PM

Stumbled onto Lyle McDonald's website this evening: http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/.

Anyone looked at his stuff in any detail?

Is his stuff worth reading?

Monkey Island

02.2013: Currently reading the very good: http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/the-ketogenic-diet and will be reading http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/the-protein-book next.

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3150 · March 22, 2013 at 11:20 AM

Didn't know about him, will have a look at this!

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726 · March 06, 2013 at 6:24 PM

Calories in, calories out?

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726 · March 06, 2013 at 6:23 PM

Surely not every human metabolism textbook is worth reading, and I think that oftentimes textbooks are not the best source of information, nor the most efficient way to learn. Is there a particular text that you recommend?

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1672 · February 14, 2013 at 5:57 AM

I was once lent a printed PDF of one of his publications. I can't remember the title but from what I can remember the content included chapters on doing a carb feed once a week and some information on bromocriptine. A friend wanted to know if there was any validity on the stuff about bromocriptine.

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8574 · February 13, 2013 at 3:35 PM

Which of his books have you read?

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1672 · February 13, 2013 at 7:19 AM

That notion is so tiresome.. Of course you can lose weight eating chocolate ice-cream --provided the total caloric content ingested is less than that being expended.

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689 · August 17, 2012 at 2:56 PM

I would say the late Dane Duchaine had McDonald beat by a few years on being the first internet guru, and certainly on being a nutritional guru.

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24271 · August 17, 2012 at 1:44 PM

Lyle is beyond rude. Calling him rude is being kind. But he knows his stuff. You have to take the bad with the good when it comes to this guy.

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2688 · August 09, 2012 at 2:12 PM

Non sequitur? But yeah bacon rocks.

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17103 · July 11, 2012 at 10:49 AM

Life without bacon isn't worth living.

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10044 · January 25, 2012 at 7:05 PM

I like your gold badge Kamal. All the cool kids have gold badges.

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78417 · January 25, 2012 at 4:27 AM

Mash, you will get your money's worth. Guaranteed. Also, spend time on his Monkey Island forum. Tons of gold there!

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78417 · January 25, 2012 at 4:25 AM

He recommends whole food on his diets with an emphasis on meat and veggies. He doesn't preach paleo, but his PSMF for example, is almost paleo. Just leave out the sugar free jello, the diet soda, etc. His methods get results, and in the end, being leaner and stronger equate not only to a better quality of life, but a longer life as well. He was kinda paleo before there was paleo...

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78417 · January 25, 2012 at 4:23 AM

I suspect both of you are Lyle posting with fraudulent accounts...

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5949 · January 24, 2012 at 8:08 PM

I think he's fine in terms of sports nutrition, but his hostility towards paleo tells me he's out of the loop when it comes to nutrition for optimum long term health.

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13692 · January 24, 2012 at 7:42 PM

Back in the day, Lyle had a lot of great insights and plus he can be a complete jack ass at times which is hilarious. Kinda (meaning exactly) like you.

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13692 · January 24, 2012 at 7:42 PM

Lyle has a lot of great insights and plus he can be a complete jack ass at times which is hilarious. Kinda (meaning exactly) like you.

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13983 · January 24, 2012 at 7:27 PM

Yes. I think he understands hormone regulation really well.

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8574 · January 24, 2012 at 3:35 PM

Nothing specifically, just adding another good resource to my list. Not sure I want to spend $47.00 on one of his books though right now.

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78417 · January 24, 2012 at 2:16 PM

His PSMF is what I've used to lose the last 70 pounds or so. Still using it to hit goal. And like you Frank, I find it mixes well with IF. And the meals are pretty big that way. Very satisfying. And I really appreciate his real food approach as well as his free meal/refeed approach. +1 to both of you!

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702 · January 24, 2012 at 4:41 AM

I second the comment about the Protein Sparing Modified Fast (PSMF). I read his opinion about it and have tried it regularly with great success. I mix it in with my IF routine and find it an easy way to eat low calorie for a short period of time without feeling like your starving. His stuff is worth the read if your interested in getting cut. He also has useful in formation about the least amount of protein you should eat while dieting. I use all his advise and it has never let me down so far.

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78417 · January 24, 2012 at 3:24 AM

Fuck yeah Evelyn!

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6709 · January 24, 2012 at 12:43 AM

Energy In (corrected for digestion) = (BMR/RMR + TEF + TEA + SPA/NEAT) + Change in Body Stores I love equations

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10502 · January 24, 2012 at 12:37 AM

Ah. Good to know.

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3521 · January 24, 2012 at 12:35 AM

Yes, very worth reading.

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6709 · January 24, 2012 at 12:10 AM

I second that, I have read 6 of his books, its good stuff. Anything specific your wondering about?

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39841 · January 23, 2012 at 11:14 PM

Yeah, dude's legit.

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24523 · January 24, 2012 at 7:22 PM

Lyle is the original Internet nutrition guru. He posted on the seminal nutrition usenet groups in the late 1990s and schooled people left and right.

Personally, Lyle's programs were some of the first nutrition articles I ever read. They helped me go from flabby to my first six pack in around three months time. I'd bet that many T-Nation type nutrition gurus owe some of their ideas to Lyle.

That being said, what he said was revolutionary at the time (low-carb and keto can be useful, be precise in your dieting, etc) but is not anything terribly new anymore. It seems that the marginal return when "hacking" fat loss and muscle gain might be smaller than the return on "hacking" health improvement (i.e. paleo!). Ameliorating health concerns can be incredibly complex, while body recomposition seems to much simpler.

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689 · August 17, 2012 at 2:56 PM

I would say the late Dane Duchaine had McDonald beat by a few years on being the first internet guru, and certainly on being a nutritional guru.

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10044 · January 25, 2012 at 7:05 PM

I like your gold badge Kamal. All the cool kids have gold badges.

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78417 · January 25, 2012 at 4:23 AM

I suspect both of you are Lyle posting with fraudulent accounts...

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13692 · January 24, 2012 at 7:42 PM

Back in the day, Lyle had a lot of great insights and plus he can be a complete jack ass at times which is hilarious. Kinda (meaning exactly) like you.

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13692 · January 24, 2012 at 7:42 PM

Lyle has a lot of great insights and plus he can be a complete jack ass at times which is hilarious. Kinda (meaning exactly) like you.

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21405 · January 24, 2012 at 12:44 AM

You'll never find someone as hostile to Ancestral Eating as Lyle McDonald. He even trolls pro-Paleo dieters on Facebook and other social media for some sort of kick.

That being said, I have his RFL book and followed his regimen for a short time. He knows his stuff, very well. His concepts of a Protein Sparing Modified Fast, using whole food instead of supplements is a very smart step in the right direction. I also spent some time on a forum about weightlifting/powerlifting/etc that he frequented for awhile but eventually left, and he was more than happy to answer specific questions about the plan.

I like the dude, and his writing. But he does carry some negativity - weither it's part of his persona to be a jackass or if he really intends to offend, not my place - I'm an offensive turd when I want to be as well.

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78417 · January 25, 2012 at 4:25 AM

He recommends whole food on his diets with an emphasis on meat and veggies. He doesn't preach paleo, but his PSMF for example, is almost paleo. Just leave out the sugar free jello, the diet soda, etc. His methods get results, and in the end, being leaner and stronger equate not only to a better quality of life, but a longer life as well. He was kinda paleo before there was paleo...

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5949 · January 24, 2012 at 8:08 PM

I think he's fine in terms of sports nutrition, but his hostility towards paleo tells me he's out of the loop when it comes to nutrition for optimum long term health.

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78417 · January 24, 2012 at 2:16 PM

His PSMF is what I've used to lose the last 70 pounds or so. Still using it to hit goal. And like you Frank, I find it mixes well with IF. And the meals are pretty big that way. Very satisfying. And I really appreciate his real food approach as well as his free meal/refeed approach. +1 to both of you!

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702 · January 24, 2012 at 4:41 AM

I second the comment about the Protein Sparing Modified Fast (PSMF). I read his opinion about it and have tried it regularly with great success. I mix it in with my IF routine and find it an easy way to eat low calorie for a short period of time without feeling like your starving. His stuff is worth the read if your interested in getting cut. He also has useful in formation about the least amount of protein you should eat while dieting. I use all his advise and it has never let me down so far.

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78417 · January 24, 2012 at 12:10 AM

No. Unless you want to learn a lot about dieting, strength training, and weight loss.

The best thing about Lyle? He's the king of insults. You aren't anyone in this world until you've been insulted by Lyle McDonald.

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10502 · January 24, 2012 at 12:37 AM

Ah. Good to know.

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24271 · January 23, 2012 at 11:24 PM

Surprisingly I like his stuff. As Evelyn alluded to he's a pig but he's funny at times and he knows a lot of good stuff. His forum is, um, unique shall we say? He's a character but he's smart enough that it somehow seems worth it.

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8879 · January 23, 2012 at 11:19 PM

I think so.

I think this one should be required reading: http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/the-energy-balance-equation.html

You have to get past the sometimes unfortunate language, but he writes a lot of good stuff.

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78417 · January 24, 2012 at 3:24 AM

Fuck yeah Evelyn!

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6709 · January 24, 2012 at 12:43 AM

Energy In (corrected for digestion) = (BMR/RMR + TEF + TEA + SPA/NEAT) + Change in Body Stores I love equations

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20 · July 11, 2012 at 6:10 AM

Is bacon worth eating?

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2688 · August 09, 2012 at 2:12 PM

Non sequitur? But yeah bacon rocks.

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17103 · July 11, 2012 at 10:49 AM

Life without bacon isn't worth living.

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0 · July 11, 2014 at 8:14 PM

I am not at all offended my his mannerism. On the contrary quite amused and entertained.he is blunt and frank which most people are not used to. He says it like it is, if you are fat then you are fat, he doesn't fluff up reality which westerns seem to need .He is very smart and although I know a heck of a lot, I still am learning bits of details from his books .I think he has offered a lot to the fitness industry. I also am an advocate of modified paleo diet and dont see why what he has to teach can t be fused in to paleo or vise verse.I like his work. Very much worth reading.

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0 · July 11, 2014 at 8:13 PM

I am not at all offended my his manerism.On the contarary quite amused and entertained.he is blunt and frank which most people are not used to. He says it like it is, if you are fat then you are fat, he doesnt fluf up reality which westerns seem to need.He is very smart and although I know a heck of a lot, I still am learning bits of details from his books.I think he has offered alot to the fitness industry. I alos am an advoacte of modified paleo diet and dont see why what he has to teach cna t be fused in to plaoe or vise versa.I like his work. Very much worth reading.

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1672 · February 13, 2013 at 7:27 AM

You know what's worth reading? A human metabolism textbook.

Because once you've read it the narcissistic, cherry picked prattle will sound like .. narcissistic, cherry picked prattle.

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726 · March 06, 2013 at 6:23 PM

Surely not every human metabolism textbook is worth reading, and I think that oftentimes textbooks are not the best source of information, nor the most efficient way to learn. Is there a particular text that you recommend?

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1672 · February 14, 2013 at 5:57 AM

I was once lent a printed PDF of one of his publications. I can't remember the title but from what I can remember the content included chapters on doing a carb feed once a week and some information on bromocriptine. A friend wanted to know if there was any validity on the stuff about bromocriptine.

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8574 · February 13, 2013 at 3:35 PM

Which of his books have you read?

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726 · February 12, 2013 at 9:31 PM

Gotta love this quote from Lyle:

"...this current idea that carbs make you fat or prevent weight/fat loss is clearly incorrect. I wish someone would send this paper to Gary Taubes to help him try to remove his head from his ass. Both groups lost a significant amount of weight and fat and did it eating 55% carbohydrate."

From http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/research-review/the-effect-of-two-energy-restricted-diets-a-low-fructose-diet-vs-a-moderate-natural-fructose-diet-research-review.html

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726 · March 06, 2013 at 6:24 PM

Calories in, calories out?

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1672 · February 13, 2013 at 7:19 AM

That notion is so tiresome.. Of course you can lose weight eating chocolate ice-cream --provided the total caloric content ingested is less than that being expended.

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1587 · August 17, 2012 at 3:10 PM

Just read Alan Aragon, he's like the nice version of Lyle and his humor is certainly better ;)

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0 · August 17, 2012 at 1:34 PM

I just read something on his forum (first found it yesterday) Someone had ask him some questions and it was a well thought out posts with bullet points etc. He answered "I"m not reading all that"

What??? How rude!

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24271 · August 17, 2012 at 1:44 PM

Lyle is beyond rude. Calling him rude is being kind. But he knows his stuff. You have to take the bad with the good when it comes to this guy.

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656 · August 09, 2012 at 9:30 PM

I never go to McDonald's.

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799 · August 09, 2012 at 9:12 PM

a very important person in bodybuilding nutrition and very much worth reading

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3347 · August 09, 2012 at 9:02 PM

I like him, I posted something totally innocuous on his site once and he responded in an incredibly hostile manner, he's my kind of crazy.

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-16 · August 17, 2012 at 4:17 PM

NO, HE IS AN UNCREDIBLE, UNREPUTABLE FRAUDULENT SALESMEN. HE IS ONE AMONG A LONG LINE OF THEM. *HE ONLY APPEALS TO LOW INTELLIGENCE GULLIBLE PEOPLE.*

STICK TO DR. JEFFREY FRIEDMAN, DR. MICHAEL ROSENBAUM FOR YOUR OBESITY INFORMATION.

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-12 · August 17, 2012 at 1:39 PM

ALL OF THE INFORMATION NEEDED TO DEBUNK LYLE MCDONALD FOR GOOD CAN BE FOUND AT RAZZWELL'S BLOG WITH LINKS TO SCIENTISTS SUCH AS DR. JEFFREY FRIEDMAN.

http://razzwell.blogspot.com

DR. JEFFREY FRIEDMAN'S LECTURES. HE IS THE EXPERT, NOT LYLE MCCOCKLE.

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-12 · August 17, 2012 at 1:37 PM

NO HE IS A COMPLETE FRAUD. STICK TO SCENTIOSTS SUCH AS DR. JEFFREY FRIEDMAN

THIS INTERNET SALESMEN IS ANOTHER FRAUD WHO IS UNQUALIFIED.

DR. JEFFREY FRIEDMAN DEBUNKS HIM

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