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Why I find it hard to wake up early after being paleo?

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Created October 07, 2011 at 9:41 PM

I used to wake up early without any problem , now I'm in my 4th week of paleo and it's getting harder to sleep less then 7 hrs. Everything else is OK, except that sometimes I feel weak most of the day, like my muscles are tired. I tried few times to do a workout in the morning as I used to, but couldn't get out of bed. Had to shut the alarm and go back to sleep.

I try to be orth paleo and mostly succeed (except some dark chockolate once or twice a day). I'm deffenately no low carb as I eat around 200gr carbs a day (I know that thanks to fitday.com). But I'm sure it was much higher as I ate lots of bread,rice and pasta. I had a rough time with headaches and dizziness but it seems to be over now.

I had an ingury and couln't workout for 3 months, now I'm better and want to start training again it's very difficult.

What am I missing ? Thanks.

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0 · October 10, 2011 at 4:58 PM

I do eat a lot of carbs and I don't feel a lot better. Stopping coffee did though

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0 · October 10, 2011 at 1:32 PM

eat more carbs and you'll feel a lot better

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0 · October 10, 2011 at 1:31 PM

carbs would have helped fix the problem a lot faster due to their anti stress properties.

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0 · October 10, 2011 at 9:45 AM

Saturday....it is this mama's coma day. I can totally make it through the rest of the sleep deprived week if I have Saturday. Hubbie knows that I will be much easier to live with if he keeps the little guy occupied until mid-afternoon.

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0 · October 10, 2011 at 9:42 AM

Just wanted to make sure. Didn't want you to spend all your time unconscious if you didn't have to be.

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0 · October 10, 2011 at 8:39 AM

Will try to up my sleeping hours, but it won't be easy with 2 little kids ;-)

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0 · October 10, 2011 at 8:34 AM

I've uped my carbs a bit and I feels better. Yesterday I had a long day and was very energized without needing to rest. But the mornings are still difficult. Hope it'll get even better. Thanks cliff.

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0 · October 09, 2011 at 2:23 PM

To Happy Now, of course I've had every fucking test under the sun done. I've had such a bad health problem that I really haven't come across too many scenarious as bad as mine. Doctors will give you a diagnosis by how much likeability you still have left underneath your sickness. For me, I was completely black, so they interpreted my results with little desire to find something wrong.

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0 · October 09, 2011 at 7:01 AM

Sometimes you just need more rest, especially if you are healing inside or out. Mark, on a side not have you had a full thyroid panel done? I was able to sleep 15 hours a day easily before I addressed that issue, and now it is more like 9 hours.

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0 · October 08, 2011 at 10:33 PM

The same could be said about you. That, and that you're insolent about it. You seem to refuse educating yourself. If you read the book, we can talk. Or you can think of another reply to uphold your "reputation" on a popular site you visit every day. Time which could be spent, you know, actually reading books.

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0 · October 08, 2011 at 8:30 PM

but you sure can stick to your dogma.

2870a69b9c0c0a19a919e54cb3a62137
0 · October 08, 2011 at 8:06 PM

I can't teach a blind man to see.

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0 · October 08, 2011 at 1:30 PM

Agreed. 7 hours is usually considered the minimum for a "full nights" sleep.

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0 · October 08, 2011 at 12:34 PM

who cares about your opinion, lets see proof. people can say whatever they want in books.

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0 · October 08, 2011 at 10:50 AM

IMO it's dangerous to throw around such numbers without measuring someone's blood sugar. Read the book mentioned if you want evidence.

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0 · October 08, 2011 at 3:19 AM

funny how going in the opposite direction usually doesn't work for active people long term.

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0 · October 08, 2011 at 3:17 AM

Carbs are paleo. if you don't want to eat that much fine but i think active people should eat over 200g of carbs. if your active and you eat less than this your doing it at the detriment to your health imo. show me one shred of evidence that over 200g of whole foods carbs is detrimental to health.

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0 · October 08, 2011 at 3:14 AM

Carbs are paleo. if you don't want to eat that much fine but i'm an athlete and this what works for me and every other elite athlete. show me one shred of evidence that over 200g of whole foods carbs is detrimental to health.

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0 · October 08, 2011 at 3:06 AM

I agree that 200g of carbs is high. I am very active and I wouldn't eat that much.

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0 · October 08, 2011 at 2:33 AM

200 grams of carbs is high, read dr. lutz: life without bread

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0 · October 08, 2011 at 12:49 AM

If you're "very skinny" coming off of a diet previously high in bread, rice, and pasta you are probably not insulin/leptin resistant. In that context, you may do better increasing your carbohydrate intake, as cliff mentioned, or, you could try going in the opposite direction. If you want to see how you respond to being "fat adapted", you could drop your carb intake even further (to ~100gms a day) for week or two to see if you can adapt to burning fat/ketones.

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0 · October 08, 2011 at 12:37 AM

That was my thought. Until this last century it wouldn't have been strange to sleep upwards of 10 hours. Optimal is supposedly 7.5-9 hours.

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0 · October 08, 2011 at 12:30 AM

Exercise is a lot better for getting your body to use more fat as energy than a low carb diet. It's not a paleo thing it's a low carb theory. Every paper on paleo shows a varied carb intake with all groups showing the same signs of good health.

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0 · October 08, 2011 at 12:27 AM

I wouldn't even count the carbs from non-starchy veggies. Potatoes and white rice are your best options for easy digestibility.

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0 · October 07, 2011 at 11:02 PM

More info: I weigh 120lbs, very skinny, moderately active. My daily calorie intake is around 15% protein, 25% carbs, 60% fat. I eat between 2600 to 3000 cals a day.

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0 · October 07, 2011 at 10:35 PM

Thanks. Any suggestions? safe starchs? after I eat a meal with sweet potatos I feel heavy, as opposed to when I have other vegs such broccoli, assparagus, etc. but it's hard to get to big doses of carbs that way. And one more thing-isn't that what's paleo all about? make your body use fat instead of carbs?

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1186 · October 08, 2011 at 12:04 AM

Maybe your more balanced body is telling you you should be getting more than 7 hrs of sleep per night.

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0 · October 10, 2011 at 9:45 AM

Saturday....it is this mama's coma day. I can totally make it through the rest of the sleep deprived week if I have Saturday. Hubbie knows that I will be much easier to live with if he keeps the little guy occupied until mid-afternoon.

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0 · October 10, 2011 at 8:39 AM

Will try to up my sleeping hours, but it won't be easy with 2 little kids ;-)

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0 · October 08, 2011 at 1:30 PM

Agreed. 7 hours is usually considered the minimum for a "full nights" sleep.

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b
0 · October 08, 2011 at 12:37 AM

That was my thought. Until this last century it wouldn't have been strange to sleep upwards of 10 hours. Optimal is supposedly 7.5-9 hours.

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19469 · October 07, 2011 at 10:43 PM

It might be helpful to describe what your previous diet/macronutrient intake looked like.

Without that information, I can toss out a few possibilities that may or may not be relevant but here goes...

Inadvertent calorie restriction - When you cut out grains, beans, processed foods, etc. it is very easy to underconsume calories as you are still figuring out what is or isn't "paleo".

Insufficient fat intake - Many people new to paleo try to do LFP (low-fat paleo) and end up eating a lot of lean protein and a small amount of unsaturated fat from things like avocado, nuts, etc. Upping your fat intake can help energy levels. If tolerated, coconut oil is a good option, as are the animal fats.

Paleo has nothing to do with it - It's possible that some other lifestyle factor is out of whack.

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0 · October 08, 2011 at 3:19 AM

funny how going in the opposite direction usually doesn't work for active people long term.

Thumbnail avatar
0 · October 08, 2011 at 12:49 AM

If you're "very skinny" coming off of a diet previously high in bread, rice, and pasta you are probably not insulin/leptin resistant. In that context, you may do better increasing your carbohydrate intake, as cliff mentioned, or, you could try going in the opposite direction. If you want to see how you respond to being "fat adapted", you could drop your carb intake even further (to ~100gms a day) for week or two to see if you can adapt to burning fat/ketones.

A678bd65f7a3b5b41e4580514af0589a
0 · October 07, 2011 at 11:02 PM

More info: I weigh 120lbs, very skinny, moderately active. My daily calorie intake is around 15% protein, 25% carbs, 60% fat. I eat between 2600 to 3000 cals a day.

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78417 · October 09, 2011 at 12:27 AM

This interests me quite a bit. Even though you are sleeping and feel weak, you say that those other bad things are much better. I've been the same way. Since going Paleo and especially caffeine free, my mood and personality issues have stabalized, but I'm consistently tired and muscles feeling lazy, but not really weak. Long story short, I see this as my brain and body being in a cast, and it needs time to heal. It would ruin my life if I tried doing normal things, such as going running with a broken leg would dement you for life, or you could rest for 6 months and have it heal, and have your normal life back again. I'm taking a risk here and saying no to hanging out with friends, no to sports, to work, and just sleeping because I feel like my brain needs to heal properly or there's going to be permament damage for life which I can't live with such non-visible damage.

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0 · October 10, 2011 at 4:58 PM

I do eat a lot of carbs and I don't feel a lot better. Stopping coffee did though

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c
0 · October 10, 2011 at 1:32 PM

eat more carbs and you'll feel a lot better

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b
0 · October 10, 2011 at 9:42 AM

Just wanted to make sure. Didn't want you to spend all your time unconscious if you didn't have to be.

85026a0abe715229761956fbbee1cba0
0 · October 09, 2011 at 2:23 PM

To Happy Now, of course I've had every fucking test under the sun done. I've had such a bad health problem that I really haven't come across too many scenarious as bad as mine. Doctors will give you a diagnosis by how much likeability you still have left underneath your sickness. For me, I was completely black, so they interpreted my results with little desire to find something wrong.

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0 · October 09, 2011 at 7:01 AM

Sometimes you just need more rest, especially if you are healing inside or out. Mark, on a side not have you had a full thyroid panel done? I was able to sleep 15 hours a day easily before I addressed that issue, and now it is more like 9 hours.

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840 · October 09, 2011 at 12:54 AM

I felt like this about 6 months through paleo, and it lasted for a while. But 6 months later, I have never been waking up easier and definitely don't feel tired/weak.

The only thing that really changed was my life, not my diet.

(FYI, right now zero carb)

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0 · October 10, 2011 at 1:31 PM

carbs would have helped fix the problem a lot faster due to their anti stress properties.

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12847 · October 07, 2011 at 10:22 PM

200g of carbs is still pretty low for active people, sounds like your body feels starved. I'd up the carbs until you feel normal and refreshed.

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0 · October 10, 2011 at 8:34 AM

I've uped my carbs a bit and I feels better. Yesterday I had a long day and was very energized without needing to rest. But the mornings are still difficult. Hope it'll get even better. Thanks cliff.

2870a69b9c0c0a19a919e54cb3a62137
0 · October 08, 2011 at 10:33 PM

The same could be said about you. That, and that you're insolent about it. You seem to refuse educating yourself. If you read the book, we can talk. Or you can think of another reply to uphold your "reputation" on a popular site you visit every day. Time which could be spent, you know, actually reading books.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c
0 · October 08, 2011 at 8:30 PM

but you sure can stick to your dogma.

2870a69b9c0c0a19a919e54cb3a62137
0 · October 08, 2011 at 8:06 PM

I can't teach a blind man to see.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c
0 · October 08, 2011 at 12:34 PM

who cares about your opinion, lets see proof. people can say whatever they want in books.

2870a69b9c0c0a19a919e54cb3a62137
0 · October 08, 2011 at 10:50 AM

IMO it's dangerous to throw around such numbers without measuring someone's blood sugar. Read the book mentioned if you want evidence.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c
0 · October 08, 2011 at 3:17 AM

Carbs are paleo. if you don't want to eat that much fine but i think active people should eat over 200g of carbs. if your active and you eat less than this your doing it at the detriment to your health imo. show me one shred of evidence that over 200g of whole foods carbs is detrimental to health.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c
0 · October 08, 2011 at 3:14 AM

Carbs are paleo. if you don't want to eat that much fine but i'm an athlete and this what works for me and every other elite athlete. show me one shred of evidence that over 200g of whole foods carbs is detrimental to health.

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0 · October 08, 2011 at 3:06 AM

I agree that 200g of carbs is high. I am very active and I wouldn't eat that much.

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0 · October 08, 2011 at 2:33 AM

200 grams of carbs is high, read dr. lutz: life without bread

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c
0 · October 08, 2011 at 12:30 AM

Exercise is a lot better for getting your body to use more fat as energy than a low carb diet. It's not a paleo thing it's a low carb theory. Every paper on paleo shows a varied carb intake with all groups showing the same signs of good health.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c
0 · October 08, 2011 at 12:27 AM

I wouldn't even count the carbs from non-starchy veggies. Potatoes and white rice are your best options for easy digestibility.

A678bd65f7a3b5b41e4580514af0589a
0 · October 07, 2011 at 10:35 PM

Thanks. Any suggestions? safe starchs? after I eat a meal with sweet potatos I feel heavy, as opposed to when I have other vegs such broccoli, assparagus, etc. but it's hard to get to big doses of carbs that way. And one more thing-isn't that what's paleo all about? make your body use fat instead of carbs?

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