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Is Apple Cider Vinegar Paleo?

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Ive seen it recommended on some MMA sites as a great natural recovery aid from workouts but a quick google search including some of the Paleo sites I visit turned up nothing. I want to do an experiment where I am 100% organic Paleo for 2 weeks to see how I feel and I dont want to include any foods which might not be Paleo.

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0 · July 06, 2014 at 6:55 PM

Sol, there is a difference between fermentation and vinegar. Paleo people would have discovered alcohol from fermentation, but vinegar is fermented alcohol. There is a reason we don't see vinegar until the Babylonians. Only after civilization would people have had an abundant amount of resources to let alcohol ferment. During the Paleo period people would have needed to use any container regularly enough that vinegar would not be created, it's simply needing to use what limited resources our ancestors had constantly.

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0 · July 06, 2014 at 6:53 PM

Sol, there is a difference between fermentation and vinegar. Paleo people would have discovered alcohol from fermentation, but vinegar is fermented alcohol. There is a reason we don't see vinegar until the Babylonians. Only after civilization would people have had an abundant amount of resources to let alcohol ferment. During the Paleo period people would have needed to use any container regularly enough that vinegar would not be created, it's simply needing to use what limited resources our ancestors had constantly.

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5828 · May 16, 2012 at 10:56 PM

"ACV was not found in the Paleolithic Age." I don't understand this. Were apples not found in the paleolithic age? When you ferment apples you get ACV. What am I missing? Did Paleo people not discover fermentation?

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190 · September 23, 2011 at 5:53 PM

Very well said. I have to agree, health should come first. It is difficult to replicate and environment that no longer exists, but adaptation or an evolution using primal wisdom and modern options is optimal. ~j

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210 · February 14, 2011 at 7:27 AM

How exactly does consuming an acid make your body base?

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3690 · January 12, 2011 at 9:50 AM

You can order meat online on sites like U.S. Wellness and I agree with Louisa that organic doesn't mean much when it comes to meat.

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4124 · September 12, 2010 at 4:34 AM

Great answer. Thanks for posting this.

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623 · March 12, 2010 at 8:32 PM

I would love to do that but I live in Santa Monica and I dont think that there are any local sources. On Mark Sissons post about cow pooling it seems like the whole US had an option except Los Angeles. I had a Tallgrass burger last week in San Diego that was amazing. Do you think that they are a legitimate source to order beef from (Tallgrass)?

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7063 · March 12, 2010 at 7:49 PM

yan, I think it is more appropriate (imho) to go 'local and grass-fed' paleo than just organic, the organic manufacturers have very clever ways of getting round the marketing of their products now and you should not trust 100% what is written on the label. Source stuff from farmers who can SHOW you their livestock and are proud of the meat they produce.....read 'The Omnivore's Dilemma' by Micheal Pollan for real eye-opening stuff about the organic business (chapter 2) Grass-fed Paleo and organic Paleo may produce very different effects in the long run!

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7063 · March 12, 2010 at 7:49 PM

Ryan, I think it is more appropriate (imho) to go 'local and grass-fed' paleo than just organic, the organic manufacturers have very clever ways of getting round the marketing of their products now and you should not trust 100% what is written on the label. Source stuff from farmers who can SHOW you their livestock and are proud of the meat they produce.....read The Omnivore's Dilemma' by Micheal Pollan for real eye-opening stuff about the organic business (chapter 2) Grass-fed Paleo and organic Paleo made produce very different effects in the long run!

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1912 · March 12, 2010 at 8:49 AM

What do you mean by "100% organic Paleo"? What's your definition of whether a food is Paleo or not?

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56616 · March 12, 2010 at 3:11 AM

it also helps kill bad bacteria that might be in your stomach

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56616 · March 12, 2010 at 3:03 AM

You probably just need to dilute it more. As you get used to it you will be able to tolerate higher concentrations and eventually you might be able to live without it as I do now. Getting over GERD is a painful process, but ACV really helped me. You need to restore the naturally acidity in your stomach so you can really digest the food.

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2269 · March 12, 2010 at 2:15 AM

Maybe so, but ACV really, really aggravates my GERD despite the claims that it sooths GERD. OK, is this blowtorch sensation soothing? No! *bonk* Can't see how adding EVEN MOAR ACID to my gizzard would do anything other than make it worse. Kombucha doesn't bother me; maybe it's the concentration of acidity in ACV vs kombucha.

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56616 · March 12, 2010 at 1:29 AM

Vinegars are present in nature. If paleolithic people ate fruit past its prime, which they probably did, it would have been rich in the same acetic acid, yeast, and other components of vinegar.

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2374 · March 12, 2010 at 1:20 AM

Yeah, I said "compelling" reason.

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491 · March 12, 2010 at 1:05 AM

I like your approach. If you keep doing a lot of reading, you will find many folks, myself included, don't qualify vinegar, olive oil, cream, butter, etc as "bending the rules". They are neolithic foods that fit under the umbrella of evolutionary/primal/non-strict paleo eating (which means they fall outside the neolithic axis of evil, gluten grains, processed fructose, and processed vegetable oils)

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623 · March 12, 2010 at 12:42 AM

Okay, thanks. I have been eating Paleo for a few weeks but have had days where I had to eat out such as yesterday and feel like complete garbage the next day. Ive also had energy and mental issues that nagged me so I plan on going 100% organic Paleo for two weeks, see how I feel, then go 100% Paleo for another 2 weeks but not worry about buying organic meats. I want to see if Paleo is truly for me (I believe at this point it is) and then to see how much organic impacts my immediate health. I basically want to get to a point where I feel great consistently and then I can "bend the rules."

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491 · March 12, 2010 at 12:35 AM

The compelling reason is he wants to be "100% organic paleo for 2 weeks"

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7063 · March 12, 2010 at 10:01 AM

I think this is a great question.

No, ACV was not found in the Paleolithic Age, but as with so many other foods like lacto-fermented veggies, raw butter, bee pollen and magnesium supplements, many people use them to support what they call a modern 'Paleo' diet.

Simply put, the idea of a modern paleo diet differs from person to person; no one has a definitive blueprint for Paleo, sure, ACV may be able to help you recover from work-outs, it may not. Some people may not accept it as it was not found in the Paleolithic Era, others may say, well it helps me overcome some weaknesses I have as a result of following the SAD diet for most of my life, so I will use it.

Going 'pure' is something that can be done as an experiment, but you have to remember that we may not come to it in a 'pure' paleo state in the first place, so may need back up to correct our imbalances. You are asking about ACV because you feel you are 'cheating' using it when you want to be pure for two weeks, yes?

I personally believe that what is more important here is to support your body, not be authentic to the Paleolithic Era, unless that is what you have your heart set on.

I think 'pure' Paleo is like an impossible state to attain anyway; what are you going to do for these two weeks? Live in a cave, eat only wild game killed with bow and arrow, go around barefoot?

YOU know what it means to go 'pure' for you, YOU know what you are happy to accept and if ACV works for YOU, then it becomes part of YOUR version of the modern paleo diet. Simple as that.

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0 · July 06, 2014 at 6:53 PM

Sol, there is a difference between fermentation and vinegar. Paleo people would have discovered alcohol from fermentation, but vinegar is fermented alcohol. There is a reason we don't see vinegar until the Babylonians. Only after civilization would people have had an abundant amount of resources to let alcohol ferment. During the Paleo period people would have needed to use any container regularly enough that vinegar would not be created, it's simply needing to use what limited resources our ancestors had constantly.

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5828 · May 16, 2012 at 10:56 PM

"ACV was not found in the Paleolithic Age." I don't understand this. Were apples not found in the paleolithic age? When you ferment apples you get ACV. What am I missing? Did Paleo people not discover fermentation?

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190 · September 23, 2011 at 5:53 PM

Very well said. I have to agree, health should come first. It is difficult to replicate and environment that no longer exists, but adaptation or an evolution using primal wisdom and modern options is optimal. ~j

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4124 · September 12, 2010 at 4:34 AM

Great answer. Thanks for posting this.

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2041 · March 12, 2010 at 2:57 AM

I dunno, but Bragg's ACV is an awesome way to add apple flavor to dishes without making them excessively sweet.

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2374 · March 12, 2010 at 12:28 AM

Whether it's "paleo" or not, I can't think of any compelling reason to avoid it.

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2374 · March 12, 2010 at 1:20 AM

Yeah, I said "compelling" reason.

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491 · March 12, 2010 at 12:35 AM

The compelling reason is he wants to be "100% organic paleo for 2 weeks"

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56616 · March 12, 2010 at 1:30 AM

You should check out the question about kombucha since vinegar is very similar chemically.

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56616 · March 12, 2010 at 3:11 AM

it also helps kill bad bacteria that might be in your stomach

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56616 · March 12, 2010 at 3:03 AM

You probably just need to dilute it more. As you get used to it you will be able to tolerate higher concentrations and eventually you might be able to live without it as I do now. Getting over GERD is a painful process, but ACV really helped me. You need to restore the naturally acidity in your stomach so you can really digest the food.

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2269 · March 12, 2010 at 2:15 AM

Maybe so, but ACV really, really aggravates my GERD despite the claims that it sooths GERD. OK, is this blowtorch sensation soothing? No! *bonk* Can't see how adding EVEN MOAR ACID to my gizzard would do anything other than make it worse. Kombucha doesn't bother me; maybe it's the concentration of acidity in ACV vs kombucha.

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3690 · September 07, 2013 at 12:44 AM

What we're all after is health more than a reenactment of the past. Paleo is a damn good framework to start with, but from there you have room to play with things like vinegars, wine, cheeses, butter, ...

Vinegars could offer health benefits to those suffering with GERD as well as those with intestinal flora imbalances. Unless you have an irritated digestive tract, I don't see a reason not to have ACV.

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704 · June 03, 2013 at 1:19 PM

When you're making wine (which is fermented) and it goes wrong, it becomes vinegar...

Comparing vinegar to other 'non paleo' foods is pretty harsh. Ask yourself this (if you're used to using ACV -- raw and with mother!): am I cheated by slugging 2T of ACV or am I cheating by having McDonald's?

There's wiggle room on the ACV, raw with mother. There's not with McDo! Choose your poison.

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438 · February 19, 2012 at 11:13 AM

ACV has be very effective for me in treating acid reflux and improving digestion. This was especially helpful at two points in my life:

  1. Gut healing when I first went gluten-free
  2. Pregnancy!

I still often drink it in the mornings because it feels cleansing/energizing. I also take it now and then to support my digestion. (When I drink a large amount of plain water, it can induce reflux in me. If I put a bit of ACV in the water, I can drink as much as I like without problem...And it is more thirst quenching, so I drink less.)

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1587 · March 12, 2010 at 12:06 PM

I tried ACV for about a week, it gave me the worst gas & bloatings I have ever experienced. The day I stopped with it, they were gone...

So for me, AVC is definitely out ;)

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14 · January 10, 2011 at 9:58 PM

ACV is whats up in my opinion, go for it! It helps your body's ph, making it more alkalyn, a thought for heavy meat eaters, which contributes to an acidic body. Just my thoughts..

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210 · February 14, 2011 at 7:27 AM

How exactly does consuming an acid make your body base?

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491 · March 12, 2010 at 12:35 AM

Vinegar is not paleo!!! Does vinegar exist in nature (enough for it to be part of our metabolic evolutionary history)? Of course not!

You will find many of us here don't strictly follow a paleo regimen ("Metabolism first, history second." -Kurt Harris M.D) so include vinegar, but if you want to 100% paleo then this is a pretty obvious answer!

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3690 · January 12, 2011 at 9:50 AM

You can order meat online on sites like U.S. Wellness and I agree with Louisa that organic doesn't mean much when it comes to meat.

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623 · March 12, 2010 at 8:32 PM

I would love to do that but I live in Santa Monica and I dont think that there are any local sources. On Mark Sissons post about cow pooling it seems like the whole US had an option except Los Angeles. I had a Tallgrass burger last week in San Diego that was amazing. Do you think that they are a legitimate source to order beef from (Tallgrass)?

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7063 · March 12, 2010 at 7:49 PM

yan, I think it is more appropriate (imho) to go 'local and grass-fed' paleo than just organic, the organic manufacturers have very clever ways of getting round the marketing of their products now and you should not trust 100% what is written on the label. Source stuff from farmers who can SHOW you their livestock and are proud of the meat they produce.....read 'The Omnivore's Dilemma' by Micheal Pollan for real eye-opening stuff about the organic business (chapter 2) Grass-fed Paleo and organic Paleo may produce very different effects in the long run!

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7063 · March 12, 2010 at 7:49 PM

Ryan, I think it is more appropriate (imho) to go 'local and grass-fed' paleo than just organic, the organic manufacturers have very clever ways of getting round the marketing of their products now and you should not trust 100% what is written on the label. Source stuff from farmers who can SHOW you their livestock and are proud of the meat they produce.....read The Omnivore's Dilemma' by Micheal Pollan for real eye-opening stuff about the organic business (chapter 2) Grass-fed Paleo and organic Paleo made produce very different effects in the long run!

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56616 · March 12, 2010 at 1:29 AM

Vinegars are present in nature. If paleolithic people ate fruit past its prime, which they probably did, it would have been rich in the same acetic acid, yeast, and other components of vinegar.

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491 · March 12, 2010 at 1:05 AM

I like your approach. If you keep doing a lot of reading, you will find many folks, myself included, don't qualify vinegar, olive oil, cream, butter, etc as "bending the rules". They are neolithic foods that fit under the umbrella of evolutionary/primal/non-strict paleo eating (which means they fall outside the neolithic axis of evil, gluten grains, processed fructose, and processed vegetable oils)

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623 · March 12, 2010 at 12:42 AM

Okay, thanks. I have been eating Paleo for a few weeks but have had days where I had to eat out such as yesterday and feel like complete garbage the next day. Ive also had energy and mental issues that nagged me so I plan on going 100% organic Paleo for two weeks, see how I feel, then go 100% Paleo for another 2 weeks but not worry about buying organic meats. I want to see if Paleo is truly for me (I believe at this point it is) and then to see how much organic impacts my immediate health. I basically want to get to a point where I feel great consistently and then I can "bend the rules."

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