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What to feed babies?

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Created September 29, 2011 at 3:15 PM

Nowhere is all the misinformation about health and nutrition scarier than when raising a child. I love my boy (now 7 months old) so much and want to spare him the health problems I had/have. Gut dysbiosis, autoimmune issues, unexplained aches n pains, dental cavities, food allergies. What are y'all feeding your babes?

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7660 · October 04, 2011 at 9:44 PM

Goodness! Like I said, I have lucked out in the kiddo sensitivities department, mine having none that I can see. Way to use that mama wisdom. :)

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78427 · October 04, 2011 at 7:06 AM

Mhm... only by looking at the picture my saliva increased - http://waynesword.palomar.edu/images/lycesc1b.jpg - I can't imagine better salad - tomatoes, olives, cheese, cucumber and old village style olive oil (using millstones)

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78427 · October 04, 2011 at 7:03 AM

Mhmm... only by looking at the picture I get hungy... http://waynesword.palomar.edu/images/lycesc1b.jpg

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78427 · October 04, 2011 at 6:57 AM

Perhaps its geographically distributed. Entire mediterranean eats tones of tomato. I know people living on potatoes, tomatoes and cheese only.

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300 · October 04, 2011 at 5:11 AM

I gave him egg as his very first food (egg yolks, to be exact, as whites are reputed to be harder to digest for babes). First few yolks were fine. But then he started projectile puking when I fed him some, so I'm staying away from them for now. I'll try again in a couple months.

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300 · October 04, 2011 at 5:07 AM

I thought there were lots of people with nightshade sensitivity (especially wrt. joint problems), but Majkinetor say it's rare. Hmmmm.....

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78427 · October 01, 2011 at 5:47 AM

Banana and yogurt are perfect.

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300 · October 01, 2011 at 3:16 AM

Ok. I hear you about not being low carb. I've been giving him some banana. And doesn't yogurt count for some carb intake? Or are you saying babies need simple starch? Thanks for the checkin. Think I'll try out some potato while waiting for the winter squash to ripen!

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300 · October 01, 2011 at 3:10 AM

Great ideas, thanks! I'm gonna order the gelatin powder right away!

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32518 · September 30, 2011 at 5:43 PM

http://greatlakesgelatin.com/consumer/recipes.php

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78427 · September 30, 2011 at 5:16 PM

So, lowcarb is the key I think, not ketogenic diet.

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78427 · September 30, 2011 at 5:15 PM

On the other hand: "In rats moderate maternal dietary protein restriction is known to alter phenotypes in the offspring, which manifests as hypertension, dyslipidemia, and impaired glucose metabolism. "

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32518 · September 30, 2011 at 3:26 PM

Check out the paté recipes on the Nourishing Cook's site (all the recipes from Nourishing Traditions.) I use Great Lakes gelatin powder to make low sugar jello. You can make it double or triple strength & make "Knox Blox" for easy finger food.

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8879 · September 30, 2011 at 2:03 PM

Yep! I was rather surprised to learn that underweight babies are actually fattier. http://carbsanity.blogspot.com/2010/12/where-does-insulin-resistance-start.html What happens to rodents on ketogenic diets is that they eat a bit less, they weigh a bit less, but their fat/lean and fat/total mass ratios are higher. They also tend to have lower resting energy expenditure. This is why I don't think it is wise to play with fire eating ketogenic in pregnancy, lactation or anywhere in between. We just don't have enough info on cultures who do, balanced by billions who eat carbs.

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78427 · September 30, 2011 at 1:16 PM

It looks like it might even happen before you are born. http://perfecthealthdiet.com/?p=4692

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8879 · September 30, 2011 at 11:51 AM

I would second majkinetor's comment about staying away from the tubers and grains. I don't think it's a good idea to go too low carb while a child is growing, which is difficult w/o some starch from tubers and grains. Carb "starvation" may set a child up for obesity/high fat%/diabetes later in life. I'm not saying it does, but animal studies tend to point in that direction. And undernutrition in humans does too.

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78427 · September 30, 2011 at 7:09 AM

Vitamin C is VERY important. Babies have higher lymphocyte number during entire first year. Lymphocytes cant do much without C.

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78427 · September 30, 2011 at 7:07 AM

Cod liver oil is A/D supplement. I don't know how much it has w-3 acids as it usually isn't stated. Thats why I use combination of both, for instance 1 day liver oil, 2nd day w-3 oil. A/D are required for immunity and rickets prevention, w-3 is for brain, as babies can't make DHA/EPA efficiently during first year.

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78427 · September 30, 2011 at 7:04 AM

I don't think staying away from all grains is such a good idea really. Wheat should be out, but most other grains provide good source of carbs with a lower amount of toxins which may promote protective genetic expression. Nightshades are rich in various phytochemicals and are rarely allergenic. My baby doesn't like meat very much so far, but if I put tomato sauce in the mix, there is no problem.

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300 · September 30, 2011 at 4:54 AM

Thanks Karen! Yes, I mix (pasture) butter with almost everything!

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300 · September 30, 2011 at 4:52 AM

Thanks! I'm staying away from all grains and nightshades for the time being, but he loves yogurt, and cod liver oil, too, despite the fishy flavor. Is there a reason you recommend fish oil aot cod liver oil?

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300 · September 30, 2011 at 4:48 AM

I think I need some good recipes for organ meats and gelatin so I can integrate better into my diet.

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300 · September 30, 2011 at 4:46 AM

Thanks for the book recommendation. I will look it up asap

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300 · September 30, 2011 at 4:43 AM

Yes yes. I've been chewing up meats and fish with a chunk of butter, making a tasty mush with all those yummy mama-saliva enzymes and cultures to boot. I also like giving him "meatsicles" to gum on---he loves sucking out the juices and poke a string thru one end so he can eat while on the go, and I'm not constantly picking it up. (When he was real little, it also doubled as insurance against choking). We live offgrid, so we don't have a blender option anyways, though good ol' fashioned mortar and pestle works great--methinks those were around in the Paleolithic, but blenders weren't!

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13983 · September 30, 2011 at 2:37 AM

Hey Maj - yup, I totally upped my carb intake from low to moderate.

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78427 · September 29, 2011 at 10:43 PM

You should eat some carbs you know ? U should use some supplements.

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32518 · September 29, 2011 at 10:16 PM

@PaleoDel~ For sure!

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3219 · September 29, 2011 at 6:01 PM

Congrats gilliebean!

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3219 · September 29, 2011 at 6:01 PM

And of course, congrats to you!

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3219 · September 29, 2011 at 5:59 PM

Though it's not food, I know once upon a time, we pre chewed out babies' food before giving it to them. I would think this has many benefits for baby.

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1307 · September 29, 2011 at 5:57 PM

When you say gelatin weekly, does bone broth cover this?

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1307 · September 29, 2011 at 5:54 PM

I love Nina's book, and highly recommend it as well. I just had an IVF yesterday, and am currently on 2-day bedrest, so nothing official yet. If I were still in NY, I'd sure love to meet up with you ladies!

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13983 · September 29, 2011 at 5:19 PM

Nina goes into this in her book as well. Great info here!

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32518 · September 29, 2011 at 4:40 PM

Nala~ Just documenting what we already talked about yesterday!

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32518 · September 29, 2011 at 4:32 PM

Congrats! I am so psyched to know more Paleo/Primal mamas!

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32518 · September 29, 2011 at 4:31 PM

Hey lady! Welcome to the forum!!!

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2369 · September 29, 2011 at 4:24 PM

Congrats! I'm 19 weeks tomorrow. You're in NYC, right? We should have a Paleo Mamas-To-Be meetup.

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10502 · September 29, 2011 at 4:07 PM

Congrats Gilliebean!

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13983 · September 29, 2011 at 3:32 PM

I plan to follow the guidelines (although I will paleo-ize them) from Nina Planck's book:

"Real Food for Mother and Baby"

Esentially, she says that after 6 months, you can just start feeding your baby whatever 'real food' that you've prepared for yourself (which should be easy for paleo folks), assuming that you're also still breastfeeding. No need to pulverize or process anything.

There's an amazing study she references about how babies, when presented with all sorts of real food, will naturally eat a varied diet and eat what they need in terms of nutrition first. For example, one baby with rickets, voluntarily gravitated towards having a drink of cod liver oil every day during the study until one day he stopped. They tested him and his rickets was gone. Amazing!

I recommend the book. It's my favourite book on pregnancy and infant nutrition.

P.S. Here is my official PaleoHacks announcement: I'm almost 13 weeks pregnant!!

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10502 · September 29, 2011 at 4:07 PM

Congrats Gilliebean!

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2369 · September 29, 2011 at 4:24 PM

Congrats! I'm 19 weeks tomorrow. You're in NYC, right? We should have a Paleo Mamas-To-Be meetup.

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3219 · September 29, 2011 at 6:01 PM

Congrats gilliebean!

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13983 · September 30, 2011 at 2:37 AM

Hey Maj - yup, I totally upped my carb intake from low to moderate.

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32518 · September 29, 2011 at 4:32 PM

Congrats! I am so psyched to know more Paleo/Primal mamas!

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1307 · September 29, 2011 at 5:54 PM

I love Nina's book, and highly recommend it as well. I just had an IVF yesterday, and am currently on 2-day bedrest, so nothing official yet. If I were still in NY, I'd sure love to meet up with you ladies!

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300 · September 30, 2011 at 4:46 AM

Thanks for the book recommendation. I will look it up asap

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78427 · September 29, 2011 at 10:43 PM

You should eat some carbs you know ? U should use some supplements.

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78427 · September 29, 2011 at 10:49 PM

Mothers milk.

Kefir, coconut oil, butter, creme, rice, potato, corn, yogurt, eggs

Vitamin C, D, Iodine, Zinc, w-3, Fish oil, Probiotics.

No wheat, no gluten, no BPA, filtered water for both bath and consumption.

No vaccines first year, especially if boy.

Be easy on fats, babies can't digest them very well (xcept coconut oil), especially egg yolks.

Those are main things I use.

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78427 · September 30, 2011 at 5:16 PM

So, lowcarb is the key I think, not ketogenic diet.

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78427 · September 30, 2011 at 1:16 PM

It looks like it might even happen before you are born. http://perfecthealthdiet.com/?p=4692

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300 · September 30, 2011 at 4:52 AM

Thanks! I'm staying away from all grains and nightshades for the time being, but he loves yogurt, and cod liver oil, too, despite the fishy flavor. Is there a reason you recommend fish oil aot cod liver oil?

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78427 · September 30, 2011 at 7:09 AM

Vitamin C is VERY important. Babies have higher lymphocyte number during entire first year. Lymphocytes cant do much without C.

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78427 · September 30, 2011 at 5:15 PM

On the other hand: "In rats moderate maternal dietary protein restriction is known to alter phenotypes in the offspring, which manifests as hypertension, dyslipidemia, and impaired glucose metabolism. "

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300 · October 01, 2011 at 3:16 AM

Ok. I hear you about not being low carb. I've been giving him some banana. And doesn't yogurt count for some carb intake? Or are you saying babies need simple starch? Thanks for the checkin. Think I'll try out some potato while waiting for the winter squash to ripen!

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78427 · September 30, 2011 at 7:07 AM

Cod liver oil is A/D supplement. I don't know how much it has w-3 acids as it usually isn't stated. Thats why I use combination of both, for instance 1 day liver oil, 2nd day w-3 oil. A/D are required for immunity and rickets prevention, w-3 is for brain, as babies can't make DHA/EPA efficiently during first year.

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8879 · September 30, 2011 at 2:03 PM

Yep! I was rather surprised to learn that underweight babies are actually fattier. http://carbsanity.blogspot.com/2010/12/where-does-insulin-resistance-start.html What happens to rodents on ketogenic diets is that they eat a bit less, they weigh a bit less, but their fat/lean and fat/total mass ratios are higher. They also tend to have lower resting energy expenditure. This is why I don't think it is wise to play with fire eating ketogenic in pregnancy, lactation or anywhere in between. We just don't have enough info on cultures who do, balanced by billions who eat carbs.

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78427 · September 30, 2011 at 7:04 AM

I don't think staying away from all grains is such a good idea really. Wheat should be out, but most other grains provide good source of carbs with a lower amount of toxins which may promote protective genetic expression. Nightshades are rich in various phytochemicals and are rarely allergenic. My baby doesn't like meat very much so far, but if I put tomato sauce in the mix, there is no problem.

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8879 · September 30, 2011 at 11:51 AM

I would second majkinetor's comment about staying away from the tubers and grains. I don't think it's a good idea to go too low carb while a child is growing, which is difficult w/o some starch from tubers and grains. Carb "starvation" may set a child up for obesity/high fat%/diabetes later in life. I'm not saying it does, but animal studies tend to point in that direction. And undernutrition in humans does too.

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78427 · October 01, 2011 at 5:47 AM

Banana and yogurt are perfect.

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300 · October 04, 2011 at 5:07 AM

I thought there were lots of people with nightshade sensitivity (especially wrt. joint problems), but Majkinetor say it's rare. Hmmmm.....

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78427 · October 04, 2011 at 7:03 AM

Mhmm... only by looking at the picture I get hungy... http://waynesword.palomar.edu/images/lycesc1b.jpg

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78427 · October 04, 2011 at 6:57 AM

Perhaps its geographically distributed. Entire mediterranean eats tones of tomato. I know people living on potatoes, tomatoes and cheese only.

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78427 · October 04, 2011 at 7:06 AM

Mhm... only by looking at the picture my saliva increased - http://waynesword.palomar.edu/images/lycesc1b.jpg - I can't imagine better salad - tomatoes, olives, cheese, cucumber and old village style olive oil (using millstones)

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32518 · September 29, 2011 at 4:39 PM

While moms are breastfeeding, I highly recommend making sure they are getting exceptional nutrition so their milk will be super high quality and they won't get their nutrient reserves depleted.

Vitamin D3 status tested & maintained at 50 ng/ml or higher (otherwise no D is going to get into your breastmilk.)

Organ meat & gelatin weekly.

Plenty of fat.

Magnesium & Zinc supplemented, if insufficient from food sources.

Also good to get your babes D3 level tested too. OK to supplement (if needed) 400 IUs at first and then 1000 IUs per 25 lbs body weight.

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32518 · September 30, 2011 at 5:43 PM

http://greatlakesgelatin.com/consumer/recipes.php

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1307 · September 29, 2011 at 5:57 PM

When you say gelatin weekly, does bone broth cover this?

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13983 · September 29, 2011 at 5:19 PM

Nina goes into this in her book as well. Great info here!

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32518 · September 29, 2011 at 10:16 PM

@PaleoDel~ For sure!

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300 · September 30, 2011 at 4:48 AM

I think I need some good recipes for organ meats and gelatin so I can integrate better into my diet.

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32518 · September 29, 2011 at 4:40 PM

Nala~ Just documenting what we already talked about yesterday!

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32518 · September 30, 2011 at 3:26 PM

Check out the paté recipes on the Nourishing Cook's site (all the recipes from Nourishing Traditions.) I use Great Lakes gelatin powder to make low sugar jello. You can make it double or triple strength & make "Knox Blox" for easy finger food.

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300 · October 01, 2011 at 3:10 AM

Great ideas, thanks! I'm gonna order the gelatin powder right away!

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7660 · September 29, 2011 at 10:00 PM

Honestly, I wish I could go back and re-do my daughter's first year. Thank goodness she never had any colic symptoms or intestinal distress.

I would be throwing all kinds of fun stuff in the blender: lamb, liver, bison. Use bone broth to thin it out. I imagine some flaky fishes, like cod, could be given in small pieces without breaking them down first. And of course, egg! It's great finger food. Full-fat Greek yogurt is great if you're okay with dairy, and you can stir all sorts of good purees in there too. And, again, if you're okay with dairy, you can douse any veggies you're pureeing with pastured butter. Helps with vitamin and mineral absorption too.

Have fun! Enjoy this amazing opportunity to feed your baby so well. :)

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300 · September 30, 2011 at 4:54 AM

Thanks Karen! Yes, I mix (pasture) butter with almost everything!

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7660 · October 04, 2011 at 9:44 PM

Goodness! Like I said, I have lucked out in the kiddo sensitivities department, mine having none that I can see. Way to use that mama wisdom. :)

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300 · October 04, 2011 at 5:11 AM

I gave him egg as his very first food (egg yolks, to be exact, as whites are reputed to be harder to digest for babes). First few yolks were fine. But then he started projectile puking when I fed him some, so I'm staying away from them for now. I'll try again in a couple months.

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3217 · September 30, 2011 at 11:09 AM

One of the best things I bought was one of those little food mills. By the time my daughters were about 8 or 9 months, we were grinding up most of our meals to feed to them. They are both really good eaters, and I think it's because of exposing them to lots of flavors. (Dr. Greene has a lot to say about developing tastes.) Of course, the 6 year old has hit the picky stage, but the 18 month old is doing well.

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