Are there no Neolithic Agents of Disease now?

by (1100) Updated August 23, 2011 at 7:55 AM Created August 23, 2011 at 1:56 AM

Is there no such thing as NADS any more? Today's post by Stephan Guyenet addresses seed oils. It seems that his focus has been on causes of obesity and he is taking down the NADs one at a time. Are we confusing the causes of obesity with the causes of the diseases of civilization? I am certainly confused. There were some good posts asking about inflammation that he may answer in the future. What do you think about seed oils in the diet? I thought there was plenty of evidence that these contributed to inflammation, etc.

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55320 · August 23, 2011 at 2:18 AM

It might not make you fat, but it sure as heck can make you sick.

5477 · August 23, 2011 at 7:30 AM

I don't think Stephan is letting the the O6/O3 ratio off the hook at all.

The following is my interpretation:

He's saying that he can't find any evidence that O6 fats, as the dominant fat/oil source in industrialized food like substances/combos is any more fat promoting than animal based fats would be if replaced as the dominant fat in frankenfoods.

The door is still wiiiiiiiiiiiide open re: dominant O6 in diet and diseases of civilization and for other industrial ingredients contributing to same, as well as the whole or sum of all the industrialized ingredients resulting in fat promotion.

Other possible pictures exist -

For instance, if O6 seed oils in industrialized food combos (think inner grocerstore aisles and all kinds of meal bars, for instance) were replaced with animal source fat, do we think those products would be inherently less fattening?

On the other hand, might it be possible, in one of these bars that is say all fruit, some macadamias and lots of sugar, stuck together with animal fat instead of seed oil fat,that it would infact STILL promote fatness but be far less implicated with autoimmune disorders and some other DOC?

We'll say for the sake of argument that the same bar exists with only fruit, macadamia nuts, sugar and soybean oil. Might this bar also equally promote fatness, but also put one at greater risk for some autoimmune and other DOC?

And lets not forget about all the additional soup of chemicals in both bars, independent of either type of fat, that may be fat and disease promoting.

I agree that FAT (basically of any kind) +SUGAR is an excellent fattening combo from a food reward standpoint as well as a caloric and carbohydrate/insulin theory standpoint, nevermind which kind of fat it is.

From an autoimmune (and other DOC as well) promotion standpoint, I'd stick with animal based fat. :)

25197 · August 23, 2011 at 2:38 AM

Plenty of them. Fibromyalgia, MS, ALS, AD, SLE, Guillian Barre, Sporadic Inclusion Body Myositis......plenty of them but no one is talking about them Their incidences are growing at exponential rates. And they are commonly seen with other neolithic diseases.

19504 · August 23, 2011 at 2:05 AM

Metabolic Disease is a main cause of diseases of civilization of which obesity is one of them. Modern oils are the cause of much disease with their high PUFA levels.

8890 · August 23, 2011 at 4:53 AM

To me, the whole issue is irrelevant. Since I have switched from a vegetarian diet, I have no use for seed oils. There is plenty of fat for cooking attached to meats. I used to be a huge fan of butter, and rarely eat it anymore either. Soybean oil would not add any variety or interest to my diet at this point.

4888 · August 23, 2011 at 7:55 AM

Having read his post, I think all he is talking about is the fattening (or not) effects of seed oils - nothing at all about inflammatory effects. So as far as I can see, he isn't discussing or addressing neolithic agents of disease here.

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