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What do you think of this? "That which helps to counterbalance does not always maintain balance"

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Created February 12, 2012 at 1:10 PM

This is a really interesting video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YT_KX-gff4o&feature=player_embedded#!

I used to be evangelical about low carb which worked, until it, ehh, stopped working.

What do you think? Will paleo eventually lead us to become unbalanced?

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3187 · February 12, 2012 at 6:16 PM

I don't think the books demonise carbs, but the extreme level to which people consume them in the SAD (e.g. 100gr in one sitting via a milkshake - avoiding this will hardly place one into disbalance.) It is very hard to eat as many carbs if you focus on whole foods and stay away from grains. The books do mention that a wide range of fruit & vegetables should be the base of the diet, and states that limiting higher-carb options like fruit is good 'if you have weight to lose', implying that you can experiment. Though the book is much simpler than the blog, and it was made to be accessible.

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4163 · February 12, 2012 at 5:30 PM

Again Meeps, people on paleohacks have only started saying this recently but ALL the books are still there for posterity, and they don't say 'oh start with LC and experiment' they say how much higher out carb consumption is. You can't re-write history.

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1571 · February 12, 2012 at 4:50 PM

Well said Milla.

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1571 · February 12, 2012 at 4:50 PM

Sorry to say Sarah-Ann but this is pretty common knowledge if you follow Robb Wolf as well or if you've spent much time on PaleoHacks. It's definitely not dependent on following Mark's blog posts.

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4163 · February 12, 2012 at 4:39 PM

Hey Milla, that's great and all but most people don't read everyone of Mark's posts. They just read his books, and the books are pretty demonising of carbs.

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20908 · February 12, 2012 at 2:37 PM

Milla, save that post and paste it everytime this comes up! I try to say the same things but I always sound too ranty and rude. You said it great.

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19469 · February 12, 2012 at 2:36 PM

Lol! Great point Matthew! The same should be said for dating as well! Don't talk about how "amazing" someone is until you've been married for 10 years!

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19220 · February 12, 2012 at 1:29 PM

I sometimes think that if everyone was banned from saying how amazing their diet was until they had been eating it for 10 years there would be a lot less confusion :)

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3187 · February 12, 2012 at 1:57 PM

Hi Sarah-anne,

Essentially there is nothing new about what this video says, and it just says what plenty other paleo bloggers and experts have said: you start with the basic blueprint and then you adapt it to yourself. I mean, check out Mark's posts on potatoes, dairy, and carbs; also check out this post here by archevore about being too evangelical: http://www.archevore.com/panu-weblog/2011/2/28/proof-that-orthorexia-exists.html

The thing about this video is that the speaker is talking about a DIET, rather than a lifestyle. And - just from watching that video - I'm also not sure if he's well informed about Paleo or whether he is lumping it into a general low-carb category with Atkins, Zone, and the rest.

Paleo is NOT a low-carb diet - its a lifestyle based on eating unprocessed, mainly pre-agricultural traditional foods. It starts out as low-carb because that's needed to reprogram the body from burning sugar to burning fat for fuel. So if you're overweight, metabolically damaged by the SAD, you initially go low-carb paleo to reverse the damage.

After that, you focus on unprocessed, whole food rather than macronutrient counts. The human body is quite good at adaptation, and will soon grow to tolerate low/very low carbs, which leads to what we know as plateau; a lot of low-carb dieters eat low carb simply for its own sake - I mean Atkin's bars, low carb cookies, dreamfields pasta - its junk food, just one that's low carb.

Now to the idea that you get 'married' into this idea of a paleo lifestyle; its true that a lot of people get attached to the paleo identity, and that isn't a bad thing, since paleo is meant to be a natural lifestyle, close as possible to the one people evolved on. However, I don't think that is what the speaker is talking about; what he is referring to is people who get so attached to paleo that they become more concerned about following the dogma than health, and refuse to consider evidence that may force them to re-evaluate something they held for true.

Mark actually talks about this all the time - that we should take advantage of science (check out 'when science trumps Grok' - sorry I can't link to it, MDA is 'under construction'). It's the case with things like dairy: don't avoid it just because its post-agricultural - studies show that dairy fat can be very beneficial, so you have to see what it does for you personally; some folks benefit from fermented, raw, full fat dairy (e.g. me); some find it causes problems. If you're in the latter group, avoid it; but don't write it off simply because it doesn't fit the timeline.

So the bottom line is that you have to adapt it to yourself rather than consider it something set in stone. Some people fare well with continuing on very low carb (see Peggy Emch); some people are fine with extra starch, and eat sweet potatoes, even wild rice; the point, however, is eating whole, unprocessed, mostly pre-agricultural food; thats a very broad and adjustable template, with which you really can't go wrong, or into 'disbalance.'

Hope I helped!

Don't worry be happy!

Lots of Paleo love,

Milla :-)

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3187 · February 12, 2012 at 6:16 PM

I don't think the books demonise carbs, but the extreme level to which people consume them in the SAD (e.g. 100gr in one sitting via a milkshake - avoiding this will hardly place one into disbalance.) It is very hard to eat as many carbs if you focus on whole foods and stay away from grains. The books do mention that a wide range of fruit & vegetables should be the base of the diet, and states that limiting higher-carb options like fruit is good 'if you have weight to lose', implying that you can experiment. Though the book is much simpler than the blog, and it was made to be accessible.

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4163 · February 12, 2012 at 5:30 PM

Again Meeps, people on paleohacks have only started saying this recently but ALL the books are still there for posterity, and they don't say 'oh start with LC and experiment' they say how much higher out carb consumption is. You can't re-write history.

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1571 · February 12, 2012 at 4:50 PM

Well said Milla.

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1571 · February 12, 2012 at 4:50 PM

Sorry to say Sarah-Ann but this is pretty common knowledge if you follow Robb Wolf as well or if you've spent much time on PaleoHacks. It's definitely not dependent on following Mark's blog posts.

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4163 · February 12, 2012 at 4:39 PM

Hey Milla, that's great and all but most people don't read everyone of Mark's posts. They just read his books, and the books are pretty demonising of carbs.

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20908 · February 12, 2012 at 2:37 PM

Milla, save that post and paste it everytime this comes up! I try to say the same things but I always sound too ranty and rude. You said it great.

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