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What's the paleo view on paediatric diet? When should infants be weaned from breastfeeding to a diet primarily of animal product?

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10919 · April 06, 2011 at 2:25 AM

For the naysayers over extended breastfeeding, please read this fantastic blog about breastfeeding in Mongolia. It was eyeopening for me while I was pregnant. I always considered 2 years old to be the upper limit of what I would ever tolerate but this opened me up to seeing things differently. http://www.momzelle.com/blog/inspiration/breastfeeding-in-mongolia/

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12369 · March 30, 2011 at 10:10 PM

Just gave our son jerky for the first time this week - don't know why I didn't sooner - guess I just didn't think of it - he loves it, he calls it 'beefy' and is always asking for mo' pees (more please). Thanks for the tip Ambimorph!

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12369 · March 30, 2011 at 10:09 PM

Just gave our son jerky for the first time this week - don't know why I didn't sooner - guess I just didn't think of it - he loves it, calls is 'beefy' and is always asking for mo' pees (more please). Thanks for the tip Ambimorph!

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18671 · March 30, 2011 at 3:55 PM

Thanks for the history synopsis! That's interesting.

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1801 · March 30, 2011 at 3:29 PM

Nope, although I'd like to think that we'll wean naturally, I can't envisage nursing a nine year old child either!!!

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1801 · March 30, 2011 at 3:28 PM

@Ambimorph - There's a lot of history - the earlier wean dates were due to inadequate formula and babies not thriving :-( The (independent) studies suggest that babies are readier around the middle of the first year rather than earlier The recent controversy was perhaps caused by some researchers who (may have) had some conflicting interests (ie. where their funding came from...). And yes, a lucky baby to have such a good diet :-)

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4873 · March 25, 2011 at 10:28 PM

I think this is a very lucky baby.

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18671 · March 25, 2011 at 10:17 PM

:-) I wonder why they changed it and what the controversy is about?

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1801 · March 25, 2011 at 7:35 PM

I agree that each child is individual and my son started to grab food at around 5 months of age, so I know that the six months mark is only a guide. Recently in the UK, there's been a furore over the weaning age again, so I just wanted to clarify that the weaning age is "around the middle of the first year" :-)

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18671 · March 25, 2011 at 1:40 AM

I think you are right about the current recommendations, Efaitch, although a few years ago I think they used to say 4-6. I wouldn't have offered if he hadn't been sitting up well, and actively asking.

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547 · March 24, 2011 at 10:46 PM

Hahaha well, not going lie, I wouldn't nurse a 9 year old. Nope. I could see myself nursing a 4 year old though. I ended up with a baby that doesn't comfort nurse - strictly down to business - so she'll probably wean before **I** am ready. :P

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12369 · March 24, 2011 at 10:20 PM

Efaitch - I think the 6 months is a suggestion because each child is different - it sounds to me like Ambimorph's little guy was ready. And I really believe that you have to listen to your child, not a study or a paper when it comes to this stuff.

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1801 · March 24, 2011 at 9:16 PM

Scott, research baby led weaning. WHO recommend milk only until 6 months old (baby should be developmentally ready, should have lost tongue thrust reflex, show an interest in food and be able to sit up unaided).

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1801 · March 24, 2011 at 9:13 PM

I've downvoted this because of the early introduction of solids. WHO suggests exclusive breastfeeding until six months. Most babies (not all) are not developmentally ready for solids until around six months & some may not be ready until later. WRT the foods introduced I can't really fault ;-)

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12369 · March 24, 2011 at 9:11 PM

Congrats on the baby on the way - exciting times ahead!!!

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12369 · March 24, 2011 at 9:11 PM

there is a disagreement form country to country as to when solid foods should be introduced. In my opinion they should be introduced when the child is ready for it, and by ready I mean intently watching mom and dad eat, tracking the food from plate to mouth and reaching for it. We started at around 5 months - started with pureed yams then squash then avocado then apples etc. There is a general rule of thumb out there to give each introduction 3 days - so if you start with yams give only yams for 3 days to see if there is any reaction to them (gassy-ness, allergy).

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1801 · March 24, 2011 at 9:09 PM

The breastfeeding dyad is just that though... A dyad. Demand feeding is fine as long as both parties are happy with it. My two year old doesn't seem to want to wean and grabs me every time I sit down (I don't sit down too often during the day, lol!). We'll wean when one or the other of us decides to. As for natural weaning age, Kathy Dettwyler (http://www.kathydettwyler.org/dettwyler.html) suggests that natural weaning age is between age 2-7 :-)

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1348 · March 24, 2011 at 9:05 PM

What were the approximate ages for these behaviors? I have a baby on the way and my wife is not paleo. I'm sure this kid will start as a formula mutant like me. However if I can be the one who offers up the choices I think that will go along way.

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5629 · March 24, 2011 at 7:52 PM

here's the Taboo segment: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxv6R9fUO74&feature=related

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1702 · March 24, 2011 at 7:48 PM

That sounds so cute :)

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5629 · March 24, 2011 at 7:47 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRqGXS6RmKs What if your kid keeps demanding it until they're NINE! Not that I believe everything I see on TV, but I also remember a Taboo on NGC, where a British mom was breastfeeding her baby up to the age of 7 or 8, because they kept asking for her milk.

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25467 · March 24, 2011 at 6:30 PM

I like this answer a lot.

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18671 · March 24, 2011 at 5:19 PM

Not speaking for paleo in general, but with my latest child, now 17 months, I started sharing broth with him, or juices from my meat, when he started asking for it (about 4 months old iirc). Over a couple of months this morphed to sharing my meat with him by chewing for him, or mincing finely, then added yogurt and eggs, and gave him jerky to chew. He now eats mostly meat, with occasional vegetables or fruit.

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10919 · April 06, 2011 at 2:25 AM

For the naysayers over extended breastfeeding, please read this fantastic blog about breastfeeding in Mongolia. It was eyeopening for me while I was pregnant. I always considered 2 years old to be the upper limit of what I would ever tolerate but this opened me up to seeing things differently. http://www.momzelle.com/blog/inspiration/breastfeeding-in-mongolia/

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12369 · March 30, 2011 at 10:10 PM

Just gave our son jerky for the first time this week - don't know why I didn't sooner - guess I just didn't think of it - he loves it, he calls it 'beefy' and is always asking for mo' pees (more please). Thanks for the tip Ambimorph!

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12369 · March 30, 2011 at 10:09 PM

Just gave our son jerky for the first time this week - don't know why I didn't sooner - guess I just didn't think of it - he loves it, calls is 'beefy' and is always asking for mo' pees (more please). Thanks for the tip Ambimorph!

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18671 · March 30, 2011 at 3:55 PM

Thanks for the history synopsis! That's interesting.

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1801 · March 30, 2011 at 3:28 PM

@Ambimorph - There's a lot of history - the earlier wean dates were due to inadequate formula and babies not thriving :-( The (independent) studies suggest that babies are readier around the middle of the first year rather than earlier The recent controversy was perhaps caused by some researchers who (may have) had some conflicting interests (ie. where their funding came from...). And yes, a lucky baby to have such a good diet :-)

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4873 · March 25, 2011 at 10:28 PM

I think this is a very lucky baby.

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18671 · March 25, 2011 at 10:17 PM

:-) I wonder why they changed it and what the controversy is about?

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1801 · March 25, 2011 at 7:35 PM

I agree that each child is individual and my son started to grab food at around 5 months of age, so I know that the six months mark is only a guide. Recently in the UK, there's been a furore over the weaning age again, so I just wanted to clarify that the weaning age is "around the middle of the first year" :-)

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18671 · March 25, 2011 at 1:40 AM

I think you are right about the current recommendations, Efaitch, although a few years ago I think they used to say 4-6. I wouldn't have offered if he hadn't been sitting up well, and actively asking.

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12369 · March 24, 2011 at 10:20 PM

Efaitch - I think the 6 months is a suggestion because each child is different - it sounds to me like Ambimorph's little guy was ready. And I really believe that you have to listen to your child, not a study or a paper when it comes to this stuff.

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1801 · March 24, 2011 at 9:13 PM

I've downvoted this because of the early introduction of solids. WHO suggests exclusive breastfeeding until six months. Most babies (not all) are not developmentally ready for solids until around six months & some may not be ready until later. WRT the foods introduced I can't really fault ;-)

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1702 · March 24, 2011 at 7:48 PM

That sounds so cute :)

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25467 · March 24, 2011 at 6:30 PM

I like this answer a lot.

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12369 · March 24, 2011 at 7:14 PM

I believe that the infant/child will wean themselves when they are ready to. And I think it is really important to empower your little person with this choice. As well with the food choices (paleo foods of course) . Offer a wide variety of foods and let them choose when they eat what and how they eat eat (consistency wise).

Make sure when they are younger and learning to chew and swallow food that the food is cooked well so it's fairly mushy (avoid chocking hazards)

I found that my sons taste for foods changed almost daily - what he liked one day he didn't want the next and vice-versa. So I just offer up choices, and if he refuses we save it for the next day. I included the breast in this offer as well until he refused outright for a while (and I dried up).

Food for toddlers should be fun - so invest in a splat mat and let them at 'er. And get a camera - because the 'adventures with food' pictures are the best!

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1801 · March 24, 2011 at 9:16 PM

Scott, research baby led weaning. WHO recommend milk only until 6 months old (baby should be developmentally ready, should have lost tongue thrust reflex, show an interest in food and be able to sit up unaided).

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12369 · March 24, 2011 at 9:11 PM

Congrats on the baby on the way - exciting times ahead!!!

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12369 · March 24, 2011 at 9:11 PM

there is a disagreement form country to country as to when solid foods should be introduced. In my opinion they should be introduced when the child is ready for it, and by ready I mean intently watching mom and dad eat, tracking the food from plate to mouth and reaching for it. We started at around 5 months - started with pureed yams then squash then avocado then apples etc. There is a general rule of thumb out there to give each introduction 3 days - so if you start with yams give only yams for 3 days to see if there is any reaction to them (gassy-ness, allergy).

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1348 · March 24, 2011 at 9:05 PM

What were the approximate ages for these behaviors? I have a baby on the way and my wife is not paleo. I'm sure this kid will start as a formula mutant like me. However if I can be the one who offers up the choices I think that will go along way.

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547 · March 24, 2011 at 5:02 PM

I don't know the official view but here's what I'm in the process of doing: Just shy of 6 months I introduced sweet potatoes followed by spinach, egg yolks, shredded chicken and salmon. At this point, babe was getting antsy anytime we ate and would grab food from our plates. That being said, there is no definite age; it would depend solely on the baby. We do a semi-"baby led weaning". She feeds herself for the majority of meals but sometimes (convenience/cleanliness) I'll feed her organic purees (Plum, Happy Baby, Ella's Kitchen). All solids are complimentary and not replacing breastfeeding. We continue to breastfeed on demand - no schedule. I'll continue to breastfeed on demand as long as she likes. Anytime I'm away (classes), my sitter gives her expressed breastmilk.

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1801 · March 30, 2011 at 3:29 PM

Nope, although I'd like to think that we'll wean naturally, I can't envisage nursing a nine year old child either!!!

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547 · March 24, 2011 at 10:46 PM

Hahaha well, not going lie, I wouldn't nurse a 9 year old. Nope. I could see myself nursing a 4 year old though. I ended up with a baby that doesn't comfort nurse - strictly down to business - so she'll probably wean before **I** am ready. :P

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1801 · March 24, 2011 at 9:09 PM

The breastfeeding dyad is just that though... A dyad. Demand feeding is fine as long as both parties are happy with it. My two year old doesn't seem to want to wean and grabs me every time I sit down (I don't sit down too often during the day, lol!). We'll wean when one or the other of us decides to. As for natural weaning age, Kathy Dettwyler (http://www.kathydettwyler.org/dettwyler.html) suggests that natural weaning age is between age 2-7 :-)

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5629 · March 24, 2011 at 7:52 PM

here's the Taboo segment: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxv6R9fUO74&feature=related

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5629 · March 24, 2011 at 7:47 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRqGXS6RmKs What if your kid keeps demanding it until they're NINE! Not that I believe everything I see on TV, but I also remember a Taboo on NGC, where a British mom was breastfeeding her baby up to the age of 7 or 8, because they kept asking for her milk.

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1801 · March 24, 2011 at 9:23 PM

There's not a lot more I can add to the answers already received, but I've left some comments, so thought that I should really leave an answer!

WHO recommends exclusive breastfeeding until six months of age as an infant gut is leaky and doesn't start to close up until "around" six months.

There's no reason that meat shouldn't be the first food to be introduced, it's more nutrient dense than fruit & vegetables ;-)

As someone else has already posted, introduce foods individually if there's a family history of atopy (especially) to ensure no reactions :-)

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1617 · March 24, 2011 at 9:12 PM

I have an almost 6-month-old and I've been breastfeeding exclusively. I plan to continue breastfeeding hopefully until she's at least 2. The only food she's tried other than breastmilk is a little bit of banana that I chewed up and let her eat off the end of my finger when I noticed her staring at me eating it. She hasn't really shown any interest or enthusiasm for food yet though so I'm not forcing anything. I follow her lead, not the other way around. :) The motto I follow is "food before 1 is just for fun."

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2283 · March 24, 2011 at 6:30 PM

If you look at tribes, you'll see that infants are commonly breastfed until 4-5 yrs of age.

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