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Apple Cider Vinegar help

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Created March 30, 2013 at 8:32 AM

Hi guys

I heard ACV doesnt help with enamel as it is an acidic food like lemon,limes,etc

How can we avoid this problem without eliminating ACV altogether?

and does ACV have a negative affect on bone density as this post claims:

http://paleohacks.com/questions/26859/vinegar-how-much-should-one-consume-if-any#axzz2OrwhGSHl

Thanks

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3150 · March 31, 2013 at 6:17 AM

Yep, that could be the real cause so that's why I said that some claim but there's need for further research. We should keep our eyes on this and take it with a grain of salt for the moment I guess.

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3432 · March 31, 2013 at 1:57 AM

After quite a bit of research I have come to the conclusion that alkalizing your entire body through diet is quite a load of hooey. You can affect your stomach's pH, but that's really about it. I have yet to see any serious credible research supporting alkalizing diet therapy. And I've dug for it... If it works at all it's because it's largely a ketogenic Paleo diet... for all the reasons we know flour and simple carbs wreak havoc... not pH

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3432 · March 31, 2013 at 1:46 AM

... which is also why baking soda and other OTC alkalizing antacids paradoxically cause more GI distress after the initial relief.

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3432 · March 31, 2013 at 1:44 AM

Acidic foods paradoxically alkalize your stomach because the presence of the ingested acids cause the stomach to ease back on production. This has been my understanding, but I'm open to being corrected.

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5201 · March 30, 2013 at 6:59 PM

Or drink it with a straw.

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70 · March 30, 2013 at 12:24 PM

if anyone has more information on bone density and vinegar i would like to read. i LOVE ACV but i have enough bone problems so my love at the expense of my teeth and bones isn't a hard choice

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3432 · March 31, 2013 at 1:52 AM

I don't see how it would effect bone density, except that calcium absorption is more efficient in an acidic environment (why taking Tums as a calcium supplement is completely contraindicated). It's not going to be coming into contact with your skeleton at any point.

If you're worried about over-consumption of ACV basing out your stomach in an overall sense then pair your calcium intake with your ACV to take advantage of the acute environment corresponding with the ACV.

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37187 · March 30, 2013 at 6:31 PM

I just had my dental checkup last week, and both the dentist and hygienist were thrilled with the status of my paleo mouth. My enamel is just fine and there are no signs of incipient cavities. Despite a long-ago history of gum disease, my gums are perfectly healthy.

With that background, let me share that I am careful to brush my teeth before my main meal, rather than after, because I read that high-acid foods can (very temporarily) soften your tooth enamel. I wait at least 4 hours after the meal to brush with or without toothpaste.

Each day, I eat a whole grapefruit and eat a large salad with unpasteurized ACV and olive oil. My afternoon beverage is a tall mug of carbonated water with ice and a wedge of lime.

You should definitely discuss this with your dentist based on your particular oral status, but I am evidence at least some people thrive on citrus and ACV.

Edit: I forgot to mention that hard cheese or other dairy products are thought to neutralize acid in the mouth so if I have a little cheddar I now eat it last instead of with my salad.

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3150 · March 30, 2013 at 3:04 PM

Apple Cider Vinegar, despite being highly acidic, seems to have a net alkaline balance on the body because of the alkaline salts it has (potassium mostly). The same goes for citric fruits like lemons and some other foods. Seems counter-intuitive, doesn't it?

If you are interested in this, have a look at alkaline diets. Further research is needed to see whether there's actual truth in all this (some say that in the end you cannot affect blood PH just by dietary intake) but for me it seems that there's something into it. I see a lot of parallelisms with Paleo and Alkaline diets (greens & fruits being the most alkaline, meat and dairy on the middle but easily balanceable with the greens, and grains and sugars as the most acidic and needed to avoid).

http://www.osteopenia3.com/Diet-for-Osteopenia.html

Seems that some on osteoporosis have adopted alkaline diets with success improving bone health as the alkaline balance seems to help bone health because when achieving proper alkaline balance, the bones stop de-mineralizing and then the body takes the calcium the food instead (which is what is supposed to be and that may not happen when the body is in a highly acidic state). That could explain why today we have more bone illnesses than ever when there's plenty of food enriched with calcium, something must be wrong.

It also seems to be very useful in controlling blood sugar levels, some people with T2DM have used for this reason with success.

Not that bad for ACV.

As for enamel, since there's direct contact with the teeth, that may be a problem I suppose, I never thought about this before. There are some resources (don't know reliable are BTW) claiming that mixing with water or with olive oil when used as a dressing may help (by creating a protective film in the case of oil). I guess cleaning the teeth just after eating should solve the problem?

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3432 · March 31, 2013 at 1:46 AM

... which is also why baking soda and other OTC alkalizing antacids paradoxically cause more GI distress after the initial relief.

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3432 · March 31, 2013 at 1:44 AM

Acidic foods paradoxically alkalize your stomach because the presence of the ingested acids cause the stomach to ease back on production. This has been my understanding, but I'm open to being corrected.

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3150 · March 31, 2013 at 6:17 AM

Yep, that could be the real cause so that's why I said that some claim but there's need for further research. We should keep our eyes on this and take it with a grain of salt for the moment I guess.

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5201 · March 30, 2013 at 6:59 PM

Or drink it with a straw.

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3432 · March 31, 2013 at 1:57 AM

After quite a bit of research I have come to the conclusion that alkalizing your entire body through diet is quite a load of hooey. You can affect your stomach's pH, but that's really about it. I have yet to see any serious credible research supporting alkalizing diet therapy. And I've dug for it... If it works at all it's because it's largely a ketogenic Paleo diet... for all the reasons we know flour and simple carbs wreak havoc... not pH

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4306 · March 30, 2013 at 9:25 AM

Maybe in overdoses, as in people read about positive effects and think that drinking a glassful will be double or triple the beneficial.

I have been using apple cider vinegar for years and years on salads as a complement to olive oil,. My bones seem ok... A couple of weeks ago I slipped and fell on my hip bone, no ill effects except for a couple days of soreness. I am still using apple cider vinegar on salads, not drinking it by the glassful.

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1925 · March 30, 2013 at 11:07 PM

If you are drinking ACV, mix with water a touch of baking soda and I've found this to reduce the harshness on your enamel as the baking soda reduces the acidity.

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3014 · March 30, 2013 at 5:35 PM

I often use it in salad dressings... so it's mixed with olive oil. When I drink a tablespoon in water, I use a straw to minimise contact with teeth.

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11683 · March 30, 2013 at 1:57 PM

As for bone density, my understanding was that adding ACV to your bones when making bone broth helps draw the nutrients out of the bones and into the broth that you drink. Can't recall where I read this, possibly Mark's Daily Apple. So in that capacity, ACV is good for your bones!

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