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Does this new post by Robb Wolf clear things up for you?

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Updated October 18, 2014 at 3:31 AM
Created March 09, 2012 at 6:36 PM

http://www.robbwolf.com/2012/03/09/paleo-diet-inflammation-metformin/

An Inflammation Odyssey 2012

Let???s look at a few things we suspect play a role in insulin resistance/hyperinsulinemia:

1-Carbohydrate load

1A-Fructose

2-Lack of exercise

3-Vitamin D- deficiency

4-Sleep dept

5-Stress

6-Sepsis (infection)

These are just a few snips from the post. I will let you read rather than trying to summarize.

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3703 · March 10, 2012 at 12:37 PM

Congrats Kamal!!!!!!! Wow omg. Can't wait to ck it all out!!!

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3703 · March 10, 2012 at 12:36 PM

Excellent points Killerbee :)

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3703 · March 10, 2012 at 12:35 PM

Dfh-- yeah! Killerbee--I'd concur; I think some people have decent insulin sensitivity at the onset of Paleo. High volume athletes and those trying support improve the adrenal/thyroid axis also do carbs very well, even high GI carbs (besides post WOD)

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18635 · March 10, 2012 at 3:12 AM

Yup...silly guy, admitting he doesn't know everything! What a frakin amateur ;)

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793 · March 10, 2012 at 2:10 AM

Big +1 on this, and I'll append that as one of the paleo folks rediscovering carbs, it's not necessarily that we aren't coming from an as-damaged background, but from a background of a different kind of damage. There are always a million factors besides lifestyle that impact health (such as genetics, etc.), so the damage one has from the same kind of SAD/unhealthy lifestyle can be completely different from other folks, and low-carb might not be the best way to heal that damage. The more open we are about different ways to heal, the better we'll be able to help each other out.

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3651 · March 10, 2012 at 12:30 AM

grace-If I understand your question, as one that got the SAD advice and medical runaround for ten frustrating years, once you find something that starts to work, you cling to it like your life depended on it!

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3703 · March 09, 2012 at 11:32 PM

Great observation Nance!!! So why does each side obstinantly ignore the successes of the other???!

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3703 · March 09, 2012 at 11:31 PM

I like how you noticed the 'damaged set point'. After fixing IR with LC then carb tolerance depends on the factors Robb list, exercise volume and hormOne status (thyroid adrenal/stress testosterone progesterone etc)

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24523 · March 09, 2012 at 9:17 PM

Joint pain? Ruh-roh. That's my specialty. I just launched my website today (paindatabase.com). Those symptoms suck, and could all be related to bad diet through non-inflammatory means. I'm not smart enough to expound, but I think Chris Kresser is.

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37187 · March 09, 2012 at 8:56 PM

@Beth, I'm going the other way! Sweet potatoes are still a bit dodgy for me but rice is going just fine! LOL

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24523 · March 09, 2012 at 8:55 PM

Joint pain? Ruh-roh. That's my specialty. I just launched my website today (paindatase.com). Those symptoms suck, and could all be related to bad diet through non-inflammatory means. I'm not smart enough to expound, but I think Chris Kresser is.

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15003 · March 09, 2012 at 8:48 PM

I'm an outlier. I'm coming from a damaged starting point but think that there are things worth experimenting with to restore ability to handle carbs (like HIIT). My 100g or so of sweet potato a day is not high carb to be sure, but it's certainly more than some LCers eat. And when my elimination diet is over in April, I'll be adding the rice back in.

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37187 · March 09, 2012 at 8:18 PM

The SAD people who try to eat healthy can go low on both protein and healthy fat. I know because I did. I realized part of the problem and increased my protein but didn't realize right away I was using the wrong/worst fats.

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37187 · March 09, 2012 at 8:16 PM

Hi, Kamal! I was having a lot of joint pain, tingling in limbs, migraine, chronic respiratory symptoms, etc. Also lost my gallbladder and have joint/disc degenerative disease that led to a cervical fusion. Other than that, nothing much. Oh, and lots of GERD and bloating, etc.

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24523 · March 09, 2012 at 8:05 PM

Potentially, systemic inflammation markers were not sensitive to the problems you were experiencing. What symptoms indicated inflammation? Site-specific inflammation may not show up in a blood panel.

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37187 · March 09, 2012 at 7:51 PM

I agree with JayJay. In that sense both sides of the debate are "right." And I can verify due to recent stress that said stress is a very fast way to throw your blood glucose out of whack.

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18635 · March 09, 2012 at 7:30 PM

Yeah, glad you point that part out. Summarizes the intent of the article quite well.

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18635 · March 09, 2012 at 7:30 PM

You answered it with your "yes"....:)

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3651 · March 09, 2012 at 6:45 PM

Yes.

I like this quote-"...Carbs and insulin are certainly factors, but not in the way we have classically viewed them. With proper vitamin D levels, activity, and in the absence of gut irritating proteins* carbohydrates as a food class may not be damnable. BUT! And please take fracking note of this: if you have a systemic inflammatory condition (most modern folks do), a low-carb paleo diet is likely the best thing you could possibly do to dial down the fires within and get on the road to healing..."

Let's just say he's right. This explains a lot. It certainly explains why a lot of us dealing with a system crash cling to low carb, and so do the drs treating us.

I think the Paleo folks re-discovering carbs lately are, for the most part, not coming from such a damaged starting point.

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3703 · March 10, 2012 at 12:36 PM

Excellent points Killerbee :)

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3703 · March 10, 2012 at 12:35 PM

Dfh-- yeah! Killerbee--I'd concur; I think some people have decent insulin sensitivity at the onset of Paleo. High volume athletes and those trying support improve the adrenal/thyroid axis also do carbs very well, even high GI carbs (besides post WOD)

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793 · March 10, 2012 at 2:10 AM

Big +1 on this, and I'll append that as one of the paleo folks rediscovering carbs, it's not necessarily that we aren't coming from an as-damaged background, but from a background of a different kind of damage. There are always a million factors besides lifestyle that impact health (such as genetics, etc.), so the damage one has from the same kind of SAD/unhealthy lifestyle can be completely different from other folks, and low-carb might not be the best way to heal that damage. The more open we are about different ways to heal, the better we'll be able to help each other out.

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3651 · March 10, 2012 at 12:30 AM

grace-If I understand your question, as one that got the SAD advice and medical runaround for ten frustrating years, once you find something that starts to work, you cling to it like your life depended on it!

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3703 · March 09, 2012 at 11:32 PM

Great observation Nance!!! So why does each side obstinantly ignore the successes of the other???!

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3703 · March 09, 2012 at 11:31 PM

I like how you noticed the 'damaged set point'. After fixing IR with LC then carb tolerance depends on the factors Robb list, exercise volume and hormOne status (thyroid adrenal/stress testosterone progesterone etc)

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37187 · March 09, 2012 at 8:56 PM

@Beth, I'm going the other way! Sweet potatoes are still a bit dodgy for me but rice is going just fine! LOL

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15003 · March 09, 2012 at 8:48 PM

I'm an outlier. I'm coming from a damaged starting point but think that there are things worth experimenting with to restore ability to handle carbs (like HIIT). My 100g or so of sweet potato a day is not high carb to be sure, but it's certainly more than some LCers eat. And when my elimination diet is over in April, I'll be adding the rice back in.

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37187 · March 09, 2012 at 7:51 PM

I agree with JayJay. In that sense both sides of the debate are "right." And I can verify due to recent stress that said stress is a very fast way to throw your blood glucose out of whack.

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18635 · March 09, 2012 at 7:30 PM

Yeah, glad you point that part out. Summarizes the intent of the article quite well.

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37187 · March 09, 2012 at 7:56 PM

I liked Robb's article a LOT.

It certainly seems to address why I couldn't tolerate dairy or starch a year ago and why I'm handling both pretty well now.

But, I have one "Hmm" I'm trying to reconcile, in that at a time when I was drinking tons of HFCS(Coke/Pepsi) and adding a large quantity of fat around my waist, I was tested for inflammation and it came back "zero." My doctor was frankly surprised and so was I. We thought all my symptoms indicated high inflammation--before I eliminated wheat and all those symptoms went away.

In the absence of wheat, my results are completely in line with Robb's article but why didn't the (assumed) inflammation caused by wheat and HFCS show up in the test? Hmm.

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3703 · March 10, 2012 at 12:37 PM

Congrats Kamal!!!!!!! Wow omg. Can't wait to ck it all out!!!

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24523 · March 09, 2012 at 9:17 PM

Joint pain? Ruh-roh. That's my specialty. I just launched my website today (paindatabase.com). Those symptoms suck, and could all be related to bad diet through non-inflammatory means. I'm not smart enough to expound, but I think Chris Kresser is.

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24523 · March 09, 2012 at 8:55 PM

Joint pain? Ruh-roh. That's my specialty. I just launched my website today (paindatase.com). Those symptoms suck, and could all be related to bad diet through non-inflammatory means. I'm not smart enough to expound, but I think Chris Kresser is.

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37187 · March 09, 2012 at 8:16 PM

Hi, Kamal! I was having a lot of joint pain, tingling in limbs, migraine, chronic respiratory symptoms, etc. Also lost my gallbladder and have joint/disc degenerative disease that led to a cervical fusion. Other than that, nothing much. Oh, and lots of GERD and bloating, etc.

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24523 · March 09, 2012 at 8:05 PM

Potentially, systemic inflammation markers were not sensitive to the problems you were experiencing. What symptoms indicated inflammation? Site-specific inflammation may not show up in a blood panel.

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6709 · March 09, 2012 at 8:19 PM

Robb Wolf "I???m not sure what this means."

End of story

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18635 · March 10, 2012 at 3:12 AM

Yup...silly guy, admitting he doesn't know everything! What a frakin amateur ;)

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722 · March 09, 2012 at 8:13 PM

I think that the most important factor in IR is cellular energy excess. Overeating in general is the problem, not a certain amount of carbs. The SAD high crap diet is high in carbs but not low in fat or protein for that matter.

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37187 · March 09, 2012 at 8:18 PM

The SAD people who try to eat healthy can go low on both protein and healthy fat. I know because I did. I realized part of the problem and increased my protein but didn't realize right away I was using the wrong/worst fats.

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19120 · March 09, 2012 at 6:41 PM

Yes ... but what was the question? ;-)

Great summary type article, regardless.

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18635 · March 09, 2012 at 7:30 PM

You answered it with your "yes"....:)

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6418 · March 31, 2012 at 12:58 AM

I stumbled across this very recent interview of Robb Wolf. I think it aired yesterday. Interviewer isn't too good, but there's some really interesting stuff here. Sounds like Robb has some really big things working.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/carsonscorner/2012/03/30/carsons-corner-mma-continues-with

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